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Sorry Apple but 300-400 is most I’ll ever pay for an iPad “pro.” As for a mbp, still waiting for one with a decent kb.

Then you will never have an iPad pro. Not sure why you put that in quotes, by the way. If you're this cheap you don't know what pro is.
 
LED backlit displays are not, have never been and will never be LED displays.
µLED is a LED Display or LED array screens (video walls) are LED displays.

Correct: LED backlit display


I don't think that 10,000 LEDs is enough to make local dimming not suck b@lls. you will notice a splotchy look in the areas that are dimmed next to those that are not
yes and no... even OLED can brighten up surrounding pixels. At 4k or even 8K that should barely be noticeable, but having a 100% black pixel next to one at 100% brightness is more of a theoretical feature of OLED and even µLED. Pixels would need a really good light barrier between them to avoid that -and at low thickness most materials become translucent. Anyway, 10k LEDs will not be OLED equivalent, but e.g. for movies the black bars will actually be black. As such it will be a noticeable upgrade.
 
Since Apple already showed interest in MicroLED I was hoping they would adapt that technology directly. Maybe they will in the iPhones first, where it makes more sense. It might also not be good enough for Apple yet.
We'll see but MiniLED is a least a step in the right direction.
There was a rumor here on MR maybe a year or so ago that MicroLED was going to appear first on Apple Watch, possibly as early as the Series 5 or Series 6. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the rumor but it seemed plausible at the time. However, since Apple just introduced the new screen technology to allow for the always on watch display, I don't know if we will see MicroLED next year on the watch.
 
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I am pleased. An October 2019 iPad Pro announcement seems even more likely now.

I hope to be an owner of a 4th generation 11” LCD-based iPad Pro with 6 GB RAM and 128 GB storage for CAD$939 (US$709) by November 2019.
 
Considering how long it took for Apple to put OLED displays in phones this probably won’t happen for another 10 years.
 
I am pleased. The chance of an October 2019 iPad Pro announcement seems even more likely now.

I hope to be an owner of a 4th generation LCD-based iPad Pro with 6 GB RAM and 128 GB storage for CAD$939 (US$709) by November 2019.

The 2017 10.5” iPad Pro 256gb price at $749

The 2018 11’’ iPad Pro 256gb price at $949

You are likely to pay more in 2019
 
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I love OLEDs when new but not sure of the dimming over time. Placing my iPhone X next to an 11pro/XS & the screen is significantly dimmer on the 2 year old X. If I’m paying over £1000 for an OLED phone, I don’t want the screen to dim after a year (which started when I tested it against the XS last year). I have a 3 year old OLED TV & am careful to power off when not in use & the screen has not dimmed yet so I guess it’s the extra usage of the phone that has caused the X to dim earlier. Also, placing a 2018 iPad Pro with its True Tone & P3 next to the OLED screens I have & the iPad Pro display is as good if not better imo. My thinking is that any iPad/Macbook Pro with an OLED would command a significant price increase but its useful life may be much shorter due to the dimming. So in my case, I would prefer to wait & see how the micro-LED devices shake up as I am a bit more cautious with OLEDs now, the thought of sinking £3-4K on a Macbook Pro with an OLED (if available) makes me think twice. Hopefully the micro-LED devices will not fade like OLEDs.

You may have been a victim of the iPhone screen lottery. I have to change iPhones countless time before finding a decent one that functions as advertised. My iPhone X from launch is still as bright as the day I got it and similar to my iPhone XS Max.
 
The 2017 10.5’ iPad Pro 256gb price at $749

The 2018 11’ iPad Pro 256gb price at $949

You are likely to pay more in 2019
Who said anything about 256 GB? I said 128 GB, as in I’m hoping the CAD$939 (US$709) edu base model will become 128 GB in 2019.

64 GB is too little storage in 2019 for an iPad “Pro”.
 
You may have been a victim of the iPhone screen lottery. I have to change iPhones countless time before finding a decent one that functions as advertised. My iPhone X from launch is still as bright as the day I got it and similar to my iPhone XS Max.

I don't think so. It depends on the usage. OLED, just like Plasma, will always fade over time. An LCD backlight will fade far less over the same amount of time. If I compare my 1 year old XS Max to my brand new 11 (non-pro), at the same brightness settings, the 11 is always noticeably brighter than my XS Max. And my XS Max has not been used a lot (180 cycles, 100% battery health).
 
Screens, screens, camera, screens, camera, camera, ugh. Who cares. The biology of my eyes/brain can only consume so much until the rest is just marketing fluff.

Let me know when the functionality changes. Like, folding gorilla glass or some actual innovation.
 
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Late 2020 would be the perfect time to replace my Gen 2 iPad Pro. Was considering upgrading next year, and still may, but there is nothing slowing down my current iPad Pro. the A10X is aging well.
 
I thought mini-led was meant for larger displays, am I missing something here?

Also, I am not against improvement, but current retina displays are beautiful already.
 
"the Mini-LED displays will allow for thinner and lighter product designs."

Getting closer to my dream-but-will-probably-never-happen 17" MacBook Air!
 
I am pleased. An October 2019 iPad Pro announcement seems even more likely now.

I hope to be an owner of a 4th generation 11” LCD-based iPad Pro with 6 GB RAM and 128 GB storage for CAD$939 (US$709) by November 2019.

Pretty sure Apple is still going to make you get the 1TB version to get that 6GB of DRAM. I’m still finding it hard to believe Apple will go 6GB on the 64/256/512GB and 8GB on the 1TB model. I can almost believe Apple will do something like a 2TB model at this point. Happy to be proven wrong though. I know you’ve been waiting with rapt anticipation for a while.
 
I don't think that 10,000 LEDs is enough to make local dimming not suck b@lls. you will notice a splotchy look in the areas that are dimmed next to those that are not

Probably not. iPad Pro 12" has a 2732 by 2048 pixel display. That's ~5.578M pixels. Divide that by 10,000 and you get 557.8 pixels that each mini-LED is lighting up. That is a square-ish area so ball park number (ignoring aspect ratio): the square root of that is about 24 pixels.

So you'd have to get a scene with maximum contrast change happening inside of 24 pixels for it to be 'terrible'. Where the contrast was uniform it in the span of 24 pixels square there would not be any huge difference between this and OLED at all.

For a normal TV viewing distance this would work extremely well ( really far from "sucking"). Even at arm length distance of holding an iPad Pro it would well in most contexts. Holding the screen a handful of inches from your face it would make break down in some instances, but "pixel peeping" like that isn't particularly normal.

There is nothing out there like this commercially currently. The zones now are maybe in the 1,000 range and the x10 difference is quite substantive. For 1,000 and iPad Pro screen it is 5,578 pixels per mini-LED and a ball park 74 pixels which is a much bigger target to have close to uniform brightness/contrast in some normal image. That is a big enough area to cover a "large enough" object to see bleed occurring in even if outside the viewer's focus point of the screen image.

For a 32" or 'normal' TV sized screens the 1,000 works well. Because the normal viewing distances are shorter for an iPad or Laptop ( impart because the screen is smaller) Apple will need the increase from what is used now.

For something like the watch they'd probably need to go straight to micro-LEDs.
 
That’s why some people think OLED makes more sense for all  product regardless of screen size and mini-LED likely wouldn't able to provide a significantly better battery life on the mobile device.

And other people dislike OLED, for several reasons. For me, one who's fussy about color, it's the color shift that my iPhone X exhibits. The LCD display in my iPhone 6+ is much better in that regard.

I support Apple's push transitioning away from OLED going forward.
 
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I’m still trying to figure out what’s wrong with the current displays...

They work. They’re bright. They have high resolution. They’re cost effective. Battery life is fine. At what point do our eyes not see enough difference to warrant a huge bump in price?

And let us not forget repair and replace bumps.
 
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