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Kuo Increases Galaxy S10 Shipment Estimates Due to 'Spec Differentiation From iPhone Models'
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OKYou have not even used an S10+ I watched that Video from iJustine and she is doing something drastically wrong or its a faulty unit. Im getting 95% success rate with the FPS.
Abazigal
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I use a 2018 iPad Pro every day without any bending issues. Going by your logic that the S10 has no issues since you have not experienced any problems with the FPS, can I also argue that bendgate is similarly not a problem because I don't have any problems?
And she's evidently not alone.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/technology/personaltech/samsung-galaxy-s10-review.html
Brian, writing for NY Times, also reported a similar issue.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/1...lus-android-phone-review-price-specs-features
Dan from TheVerge as well.
Similar issue reported by 9to5Mac too (at around the 6-min mark).
Is this supposed to be some conspiracy where every Apple-centric news website is being shipped faulty units?
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
Given they are likely shipped demo units without the update which has improved the FPS since it first came out.
No device is perfect but it all depends on how people set it up and how they press down as i don’t think it’s right when people are saying to do it one way when it doesn’t need to be pressed hard or into the screen.
Like with Face ID you learn your own way of doing it and each angles you use to register.
realtuner
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Not entirely true. Google Play Services can’t update low level exploits. That’s why all the major security fixes come through AOSP and put you at the mercy of OEMs and carriers to get those exploits.
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Please explain for us why you think iOS needs an OS update. Do you not understand what delta updates are?
Waaaay back when an iOS update came out it was the full OS (a large 1+ GB file). But iOS has issued delta updates for a long time now and updates can target specific Apps or bugs without requiring an OS update.
Next I expect you to tell us Apple charges us for the latest iOS version because at one time they did charge. It appears your information is out of date.
OK, so Apple can update a specific app exactly like Google can, no OTA install or a new iOS version or anything? Just an individual app update.
And I never said Apple's updates can't target specific apps.
For example in these last hours, 3 or my System apps got updated individually: Google Duo, Gborad and Android Accessibility Suite. And I never had to go to General and Software Updates for this to happen.
LoL what? You don't make sense. Slow down, you are very confused.
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realtuner
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There are only two kinds of updates. Full updates and delta updates. iOS issues delta updates. Are you trying to imply there’s a third type of update? I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say, but to claim iOS requires an OS update to fix things is false.
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Let’s use actual data from Google, and not some “carefully chosen” devices, shall we? Or do you not trust Google’s own figures?
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/
As you can see, Android Pie hasn’t even cracked the minimum 0.1% of install base at 78 days after release.
Android Oreo hit 0.2% in 42 days and at 84 days hit 0.3%.
Clearly, according to Google, Android Pie adoption is well behind Oreo. Of course, we don’t know the latest figures. Why? Because Google hasn’t updated their Android Distribution chart since Oct 26th, 2018. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why - Pie adoption is slower than Oreo, and if Treble actually made a difference it should been quicker.
So you didn't understand what I wrote.
iOS 12.1.4 it's still an OS update. Google in a similar situation would only need to update Duo via PlayStore and that's it, no new OS version, OTA install or anything.
Well it's obvious you are trying to be disingenuous about this entire thing. It's stated in the article that they looked at key devices announced well ahead of a new Android OS announcement.
What's so unfair about that?
At the end of the day you were complaining about a Note 9 not a Samsung Galaxy J3 or a Samsung Duos 2 or another cheap 100$ Android phone.
Empirical data does show that a lot notable phones that were launch with Android 8 did get updated faster to Android 9.
Now the fact that last year a lot of cheap phones which will never get a new OS update were sold doesn't mean less phones overall were updated to Android 9 in comparison to Android 8.
The positive effects of Project Treble were obvious from the moment Google announced Android 9 and we saw more Android OEMs than ever offer beta testing support for the latest Android OS version. From what I head with Android Q this situation will improve even further.
Also Project Treble is only supported on phones launched with Android 8.0 so a chart showing all Android phones around the world that connect to Google's servers if there's an internet connection doesn't ultimately prove Project Treble didin't have a positive impact.
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
So being pedantic just because a version number changes? If the version number didn’t change it wouldn’t be an o/s update?
I'm just being fair.
You still have to install iOS 14.1.4 from here so its not just about the fact that the version changes. But I did state this multiple times.
There is a pre installed screen protector on the phones. When removing the fingerprint scanner works 10x better
realtuner
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Using actual data and facts from google is being disingenuous?
My Note 9 is a $1000 device. It didn’t get Pie any earlier, so I don’t care about you listing a small number of devices that did get Pie sooner. They don’t represent everyone.
Bottom line is Android is a joke for getting updates, whether they are security updates or the latest OS version.
BTW, your last statement paragraph is wrong. Do you have any factual information about Google/Android to share with us?
What facts did you use? That over 4 months old outdated generalist graph? And what's wrong with the link that I provided which specifically examines how fast notable phones were update to Android Pie? It's basically direct data related to the subject we are discussing.
Note 9 actually got updated to One UI which is a way way more substantial update than a simple AOSP Android version bump.
Actually Android Pie was pushed by Samsung around 86 days faster than Oreo. The link I proivided direcly references Samsung and their latest flagships including the Note 9 so you claiming it's not relevant makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
LoL, OK so a cheap rant.
OK, very very few OEMs added Treble support for phones models that were not launched with Android 8.
All the information I shared is factual.
realtuner
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Ok, so you don’t understand the concept of cherry picking your data points to come to a conclusion. Do you understand the concept of “representative sample” in statistics?
That “4 month old” graph is from Google and shows their data for version distribution. At similar points in time there’s hard data to show Oreo adoption rate was faster than Pie. Then Google stopped updating this site for some unknown reason (which isn’t really unknown as it’s obvious why - because it would make Pie adoption look terrible). Follow the news after Pie launched - people were constantly checking the Android Dashboard to see when Pie showed up and how it’s adoption rate would compare to Oreo. We never got that chance because Google stopped updating. Don’t pretend people weren’t expecting Treble to cause Pie to show up sooner in this chart. Even the article you linked mentions this.
Telling the truth is a cheap rant? Let’s see:
- You have Google Play Services which can issue updates very quickly, but is severely limited in what it can actually update.
- You have monthly security updates, which are supposed to be monthly but vary widely. Some companies do them every second month, some don’t put all the included fixes in the update and some even outright lie and say you got an update but actually didn’t. These updates also put you at the mercy of OEMs and carriers as to if/when you get them.
- You have OS updates. Again at the mercy of OEMs and carriers. Your chance of getting an OS update are worse than getting security updates.
So yes, a joke. Different people responsible for getting an update (Google, OEM or carrier) and wide variations in time to wait or how long you get support.
You are not listening, I have the device right here in my hands and it works near flawlessly for me. Not everyone has installed the update that fixes the fps and some people are not registering thier fingerprint properly. Stop bashing a product you have not even touched let alone used.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Your anecdotal experience may not be representative of some others who have different experiences.
Did you read my post? Obviously not
cubbie5150
macrumors 6502a
Such close, emotional brand-identification is fascinating to observe.
Aha, to quote you, It appears your information is out of date.
And I didn't cherry picked anything. You specifically said Treble didn't help speed up updates and I showed information that contradict this claim of yours. By contrast you pointed to an outdated graph from Google that shows in percentages how many Android devices connected to their servers in a given time frame. Although we don't know the essential information regarding total number of devices included in that graph.
There's no direct and conclusive data which shows that Pie's adoption rate(as in the total nr. of phones running this version) is overall lower than Oreo's. Google most likely would have this information but they didn't make it public so your assumptions are irrelevant.
A cheap rant is just a cheap rant.
Google Play Services are an essential part of Android. The fact that google can update them independently from OS updates is overall a huge advantage.
I'm only at the mercy of my own decisions. There are plenty of Android phones(cheap or expensive it doesn't matter) from different companies which have a very decent update track record.
Things are not as black and white as you present them.
You are very unconvincing. Objectively speaking the fact that more than one party is involved doesn't make it a joke. Also at the end of the day how good and stable is an OS update is more important than how fast you get it.
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
It’s still you anecdotal experience vs someone else’s is the point.its like saying wait until iOS 12.2, it’ll crush the s10 in the speed test.
Abazigal
Contributor
Oh lookie.
https://the-gadgeteer.com/2019/03/0...he-samsung-galaxy-s10-let-me-down-and-im-sad/
Another reviewer who returned his S10 because the fingerprint sensor wasn’t working for him, which in turn affected his ability to use Samsung pay and lastpass.
But I am sure he’s just pressing it wrong.
https://the-gadgeteer.com/2019/03/0...he-samsung-galaxy-s10-let-me-down-and-im-sad/
Another reviewer who returned his S10 because the fingerprint sensor wasn’t working for him, which in turn affected his ability to use Samsung pay and lastpass.
But I am sure he’s just pressing it wrong.
Oh you mean like all the people having major issues with reception on the iPhone xs? Same thing.
Gilligan's last elephant
macrumors 65816
Or as the person herself stated in the comments sectionOh lookie.
https://the-gadgeteer.com/2019/03/0...he-samsung-galaxy-s10-let-me-down-and-im-sad/
Another reviewer who returned his S10 because the fingerprint sensor wasn’t working for him, which in turn affected his ability to use Samsung pay and lastpass.
But I am sure he’s just pressing it wrong.
"Greg, I think I have all the updates but I’ll double check. It’s not that the sensor itself sucks, it’s my fingers that are the problem. I think it might be because my hands/fingers are always cold and too dry. If I use hand lotion, it will help for a while but it’s not like I remember to do that several times a day".
Did you actually read the review or just see the bottom line?
The reviewer is female for starters.
They also stated that fingerprint sensors have always been an issue for her including both iPhone and Samsung. She has had better results with more recent Pixel and LG sensors.
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
That’s the nature of android. It’s easy for Apple to push out updates all the phones are made by them and they all run iOS. There are no overlays.
On android there are so many different manufactures running their own skinned version of android.
A company like Samsung has so many different phones that when google gives them access to the new software they have to make a version compatible with all the different devices that need to be updated. It takes time. Android updates can’t be like iOS due to its nature.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I was thinking more of the idiotic performance test.