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if you want to go back to basics, answer my basic question that you are intentionally ignoring first, is face ID in original iPhone X innovative or not?
Depends on your definition of innovative ultimately.

For me, Face ID is representative of what Apple does best - seamless integration of hardware and software to deliver a polished user experience. While we are seeing videos of how the S10's face recognition feature is getting spoofed by photos (and grainy ones at that), Apple went so far as to miniaturise a Kinect sensor so that it could fit into a smartphone, to having the iPhone's A11 chip being optimised for it, to ensuring the data is stored in the Secure Enclave on your iOS device as a mathematical model that cannot be reverse-engineered.

It's also increasingly clear what role Face ID will play with the rumoured Apple glasses - gesture control via the Kinect sensors. That's the fun thing about Apple events - where we look back and reflect on how Apple's announcements often end up setting the stage for future products and endeavours. Certain announcements and features make much more sense when thinking about what Apple will likely unveil in the following years.

So is Face ID innovative? For me, that's a resounding yes. While companies like Samsung have to resort to the old "our facial recognition is merely a convenient action to open your phone" deflection, Apple is confident enough to have Face ID replace Touch ID as the primary means of securing your device, and spared no expense ensuring that it was no less secure. It's telling that in my country, my local banking app allows users to unlock said app via Face ID on their iPhones, but this benefit does not extend to Facial recognition on any other android device.

It's meaningful innovation that benefits me directly.
 
if you want to go back to basics, answer my basic question that you are intentionally ignoring first, is face ID in original iPhone X innovative or not?
Facial recognition has been done before, just like finger print readers. Apples implementation of facial recognition and hooks into the ecosystem including financial transactions is innovative.
 
Facial recognition has been done before, just like finger print readers. Apples implementation of facial recognition and hooks into the ecosystem including financial transactions is innovative.

you have your own interpretation of the word "innovate",so to show you
you are wrong for the last time here is the English terminology of the word "Innovate":

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Both Face ID and Samsung's under display Ultrasonic Fingerprint Scanner fit into this description.whether you agree or not.

the Face ID (on original iPhone X when it was first introduced and not on Xs/Xr) was innovative.
although it was done before,the method that Face ID used to create 3D model of the face was new and very different and much more secure than standard facial recognition.that's why it was innovative.

same is true about Samsung's under display Ultra Sonic Finger Print Scanner, it was done before but not in form of ultra sonic waves creating 3D model of finger prints.it is an innovative feature.end of story.
 
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you have your own interpretation of the word "innovate",so to show you
you are wrong for the last time here is the English terminology of the word "Innovate":

npfmty.png


Both Face ID and Samsung's under display Ultrasonic Fingerprint Scanner fit into this description.whether you agree or not.

the Face ID (on original iPhone X when it was first introduced and not on Xs/Xr) was innovative.
although it was done before,the method that Face ID used to create 3D model of the face was new and very different and much more secure than standard facial recognition.that's why it was innovative.

same is true about Samsung's under display Ultra Sonic Finger Print Scanner, it was done before but not in form of ultra sonic waves creating 3D model of finger prints.it is an innovative feature.end of story.
That my definition of innovation also. Hence my prior comments. Thanks for putting up some common ground definition.
 
The new S10s are nice phones for sure. However, my Note 9 only received Android Pie last month. 5 months after it came out. Sorry, but if you spend $1,000 on a new smartphone you deserve to get treated better and get support (future OS releases) for more than 2 years.

Your Note 9 was launched with Samsung's most stable ROM at that time which was based on Android 8.1
I don't see what wrong with that taking in consideration that Stock Android 9 has less features overall than Samsung's custom 8.1 version and the most exciting things about One UI is not Android 9 itself but the changes and redesigns Samsung made.
 
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you have your own interpretation of the word "innovate",so to show you
you are wrong for the last time here is the English terminology of the word "Innovate":

npfmty.png


Both Face ID and Samsung's under display Ultrasonic Fingerprint Scanner fit into this description.whether you agree or not.

the Face ID (on original iPhone X when it was first introduced and not on Xs/Xr) was innovative.
although it was done before,the method that Face ID used to create 3D model of the face was new and very different and much more secure than standard facial recognition.that's why it was innovative.

same is true about Samsung's under display Ultra Sonic Finger Print Scanner, it was done before but not in form of ultra sonic waves creating 3D model of finger prints.it is an innovative feature.end of story.
The fingertip scanner isn’t a Samsung innovation at all. They’re sourcing it from Qualcomm. And yes, it’s innovative, though it might not be as fast or accurate as other systems—and the false positives might be higher too.

I’m sure some tech site will provide a comparison/analysis of the Qualcomm tech vs. TouchID and other fingerprint scanners, such as the one on the S9.
 
The fingertip scanner isn’t a Samsung innovation at all. They’re buying it from Qualcomm. And yes, it’s innovative, though it might not be as fast or accurate as other systems—and the false positives might be higher too. I’m sure some tech site will provide a comparison/analysis of the Qualcomm tech vs. TouchID and other fingerprint scanners such as the one on the S9.
Touch ID and Face ID were also bought by Apple.
 
Your Note 9 was launched with Samsung's most stable ROM at that time which was based on Android 8.1
I don't see what wrong with that taking in consideration that Stock Android 9 has less features overall than Samsung's custom 8.1 version and the most exciting things about One UI is not Android 9 itself but the changes and redesigns Samsung made.

Nice apology for the fact updates on Android are a joke. My Note 9 will very likely get Android Q late (just like the Note 8 got Pie late). Q will also likely be the last update it gets.

Project Treble was supposed to address this, but like all of Google’s previous attempts to deal with slow updates it hasn’t helped much at all.
 
Nice apology for the fact updates on Android are a joke. My Note 9 will very likely get Android Q late (just like the Note 8 got Pie late). Q will also likely be the last update it gets.

Project Treble was supposed to address this, but like all of Google’s previous attempts to deal with slow updates it hasn’t helped much at all.

This seems like more of obsession with updates that didn't add much functionality.
 
This seems like more of obsession with updates that didn't add much functionality.

Straight from Google themselves:

“Exploitation for many issues on Android is made more difficult by enhancements in newer versions of the Android platform. We encourage all users to update to the latest version of Android where possible.”

Is Google “obsessed with updates that didn’t add much functionality” too? Or are they concerned with security?

I find it interesting how the Android community switched from caring about getting updates to apologizing for Google’s lack of ability to deal with the issue, despite numerous attempts to do so. Or claim “we get feature updates through Google Play Services so OS updates are no longer important.”
 
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Straight from Google themselves:

“Exploitation for many issues on Android is made more difficult by enhancements in newer versions of the Android platform. We encourage all users to update to the latest version of Android where possible.”

Is Google “obsessed with updates that didn’t add much functionality” too? Or are they concerned with security?

I find it interesting how the Android community switched from caring about getting updates to apologizing for Google’s lack of ability to deal with the issue, despite numerous attempts to do so. Or claim “we get feature updates through Google Play Services so OS updates are no longer important.”

Security updates are totally different to OS updates.
 
Seriously? I literally quoted Google from their Android Security Bulletin page. Are you claiming Google is lying when they state they add mitigations to each new Android release?

Security updates plug the gap.
https://www.androidpit.com/what-are-monthly-security-updates
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Nice to see how secure it’s Face ID is ! Not ! At least if you steal an idea get it right

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2019/03/galaxy-s10-face-unlock-fooled.html

Samsung state that face ID is not secure.
 

Why would you quote some tech site instead of relying on what Google says?

Monthly security updates DO NOT give your device running an older version of Android the mitigations introduced in a newer version of Android. They only fix known exploits - they don’t protect against new exploits. They are a band-aid, not prevention.

Android Pie made several changes (some new and some an expansion of methods from previous versions). These include things like CFI (control flow integrity) and Integer Overflow Sanitization which are designed to deal with the most common methods hackers use (memory related exploits like overflows).

This is what makes it more difficult for a hacker to exploit a newer version of Android and why Google recommends to update “where possible”.
 
Why would you quote some tech site instead of relying on what Google says?

Monthly security updates DO NOT give your device running an older version of Android the mitigations introduced in a newer version of Android. They only fix known exploits - they don’t protect against new exploits. They are a band-aid, not prevention.

Android Pie made several changes (some new and some an expansion of methods from previous versions). These include things like CFI (control flow integrity) and Integer Overflow Sanitization which are designed to deal with the most common methods hackers use (memory related exploits like overflows).

This is what makes it more difficult for a hacker to exploit a newer version of Android and why Google recommends to update “where possible”.

You clearly don't understand how Android works.
 
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Curious why you’d make such a statement and then not bother to provide any evidence to support your claim or to counter my posts.

Because everything is in that link as to how Android security updates works. Unlike iOS, there are two different kinds of updates on Android.
 
Because everything is in that link as to how Android security updates works. Unlike iOS, there are two different kinds of updates on Android.

Yet Google, on their own Security Bulletin page, tell people to upgrade to the latest version of Android to get the newest security mitigations. Google further goes on to explain, in detail, what specific changes were made to Pie to deal with potential security threats.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between plugging a hole (exploit) and hardening the OS to make future hacking more difficult. The former is handled by monthly security updates, the latter is handled by upgrading to the latest OS.
 
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Yet Google, on their own Security Bulletin page, tell people to upgrade to the latest version of Android to get the newest security mitigations. Google further goes on to explain, in detail, what specific changes were made to Pie to deal with potential security threats.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between plugging a hole (exploit) and hardening the OS to make future hacking more difficult. The former is handled by monthly security updates, the latter is handled by upgrading to the latest OS.

Have a look at this Google Secuirty Bulletin.
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin
 
What's the point of the Galaxy's facial detection? To say "we have something else" to the FP sensor (which is meant to be more secure)?

You can unlock the S10 w/ your eyes close or photos. Is it worth that much convenience though? To me, no. FaceID is so much better, that I would be missing it so much if I stick with my S10e long-term. I don't like the FP sensor in the power button either.
 
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