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Consider yourself lucky then. There's something like a 100 page thread full of complaints floating about around here.
If you sell a million phones and 0.1% have issues that’s one thousand people complaining about their phones. It’s pretty easy to get a 100 page thread with a dozen people going back and forth
 
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Here we go.. Apple dont include a feature everyone else has... Apple fanboys declare it as unnecessary despite never having tried it or seen it... wait 12 months for Apple to call it "Magic Scroll" (or similar stupid name) and all the same people on here will declare that "its magical" etc etc. Around and around every year.

A faster refresh rate is noticeable. It does make the whole UI feel smoother - try an iPad Pro or any recent Android phone. It also opens up high refresh rate gaming.

It not a gimmick, it does work, its very available, and for the insane prices Apple charge, everyone in the market for an iPhone should be p**sed off that the 2012 iPhones dont have it.
This! Apple users write it off cuz its not available.. then when its finally available, its magical. It doesn't fail. The brainwashing machine is awesome.
 
The other phones, this year, that have 120hz have to reduce the resolution to show that mode and there is significant battery draw. There is supposed to be a new type of display (LTPO) available next year that can display 120hz at full resolution. Apple seems to have decided that it was not worth doing a half-assed job of it this year.
So what your implying is the iPad 120hz model is a half assed product?
 
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This! Apple users write it off cuz its not available.. then when its finally available, its magical. It doesn't fail. The brainwashing machine is awesome.
Advocates of *any* product downplay the importance of the features they don't have. It's been that way forever. It is not Apple-specific.

DOS advocates pooh-poohed the GUI. Mac advocates thought preemptive multitasking was unimportant. Amiga advocates were convinced protected memory was not worth it. And so on.

It is annoying but it is also incredibly predictable.
 
You still haven’t explained what 120hz means to the average smartphone user.

Have a go on a phone that has it and they will have their answer. It's like when people were trying to sell HD TV in SD TV adverts. It just didn't seem that big a deal. Then you saw HD TV and it all made sense. Same here.

I wasn't even really aware of 120hz screens and after 10 years of iPhone I recently gave up and got an S20+ (my iPhone X had a bulging screen which is apparently the portent of impending battery explosion and fiery death!)

I went for that phone as it had a tiny hole-punch front camera, barely any bezel and had great cameras. It was only when I got it and tried the optional (not even on by default!) 120hz that it all made sense. It's just sooo slick that you immediately can't do without it.

But yeah, it's hard to 'sell it' because it's purely an enhancement to the core experience.

Put it this way - if the move to retina screens was a 'feature' then this sure as hell is one too...
 
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6 years to remove the notch is not just late, it's glacial.
Does it matter? Apple will still make more money and sell more phones. There’s nothing wrong with the notch. All this hole punch nonsense trying to race to get to a full screen display is ridiculous.
 
Have a go on a phone that has it and they will have their answer. It's like when people were trying to sell HD TV in SD TV adverts. It just didn't seem that big a deal. Then you saw HD TV and it all made sense. Same here.

I wasn't even really aware of 120hz screens and after 10 years of iPhone I recently gave up and got an S20+ (my iPhone X had a bulging screen which is apparently the portent of impending battery explosion and fiery death!)

I went for that phone as it had a tiny hole-punch front camera, barely any bezel and had great cameras. It was only when I got it and tried the optional (not even on by default!) 120hz that it all made sense. It's just sooo slick that you immediately can't do without it.

But yeah, it's hard to 'sell it' because it's purely an enhancement to the core experience.

Put it this way - if the move to retina screens was a 'feature' then this sure as hell is one too...
Hd is cool but as long as I can watch my shows I don’t really care if it’s only 420P 🤷🏻
 
Always a disappointment with new iPhone news. When will they catch with Andriod phones!
They don’t need to catch up with android phones. I switched from my galaxy S 10+ to an iPhone 11 promax and couldn’t be happier. I could care less about 120 Hz and yes I have seen it. I’d rather have the battery life. iPhones are for a different market than android phones. I really don’t care about cutting edge technology I just want a stable phone with the best camera that is fast and smooth and gets updates.
 
Yes. If you haven't used a higher refresh display (on a laptop for instance) you should. 144Hz is common now and Dell has a 300Hz display option for their Alienware 15. The 300Hz is unreal!
I’ve used my iPhone 11 promax next to a new 20 ultra. To me it doesn’t make much of a difference I’d rather have the battery life. And even if Apple started making 30 Hz displays I’d rather use that than android.
 
In 365 days you and Apple will be changing your tune as Tim Cook stands in front at the keynote hyping up this “revolutionary” new 120hz display on the iPhone 12s
I won’t it’ll be one of the first features I turn off even if it only saves one hour of battery.
 
I don't say 60 hz are unusable but 120 hz with ios would create an immersive visual experience...As for your... experience ...you mean you browsed articles site etc and you did not experience the smoothness of browsing?Wow maybe you should have your eyes checked...
I am the same. I have 20/20 vision and the difference is there it just doesn’t matter to me it’s just perspective. I’d much rather have the extra battery life even if it’s only like an hour.
 
It's comforting to know that there are always "experts" here that seemingly know what everyone wants, what everyone needs, and what is unnecessary for 95% of the users. If it wasn't for you, no one would have a clue what they each need, want or is necessary for them. I wish I had the insight of an entire global communities needs...
Go ask a random non nerd iPhone user what 120 Hz is then get back to me.
 
Yes, absolutely. Why would anyone not? The washing machine I chose came from the manufacturer I preferred with the exact feature set I wanted that paired with the matching dryer. I made a conscious choice to get the exact hot water tank/heater I wanted from my plumber, too. Same as buying a computer or a car. That's a lot of money to spend to commit to using something every day for years that you're not completely satisfied with.

Unless someone is independently wealthy, with the free cash to throw around at endless upgrades and new models every year despite a lack of need, I can't imagine how anybody could spend $700+ on a smartphone that they intend to keep for 2, 3, or more years; and not make a conscious effort to understand exactly what the options on the market are and exactly what they're buying.
When it’s just $46 a month you don’t have to be independently wealthy LOL.
 
That's not true. As far as geeky specs go, 120 Hz is one of the first thing you'd notice, even if you're not a techy person. It's absolutely unmistakable when a screen has twice the refresh rate. It even tricks your brain into thinking the CPU is faster because everything moves so smoothly. It's the single coolest feature of my iPad Pro.
Oh please. Maybe your brain but not mine.
 
Does it matter? Apple will still make more money and sell more phones. There’s nothing wrong with the notch. All this hole punch nonsense trying to race to get to a full screen display is ridiculous.

What matters to me as a consumer isn't the same as what matters to their bottomline. They might want to nickel and dime their way into bringing the Newton back too. And what's ridiculous is the massive fugly unibrow on top that we're stuck with for four years in a row and counting.
 
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When it’s just $46 a month you don’t have to be independently wealthy LOL.

Independent of the refresh rate discussion but...

Say you're a normal, middle-aged man/woman, with a family, normal job, house, etc.
And you base all your expensive purchases on what they will cost if you pay them on a monthly basis (which a lot of people do nowadays, especially in the US which is very credit based), you'll still be paying quite a bit per month.

It's easy to think you won't feel a small amount in your wallet.
But all the small amounts added up each month make a big amount.

Down-payments are a bit of an illusion and they are quite dangerous in times like these.
Tons of people are losing their jobs and all of a sudden you'll start noticing you can't justify 10 46$ payments a month any more. And what happens next?

Anyway, what I try to explain is it's not a good idea to think in terms of monthly payments.
You'll still spend the full amount, but it's hidden and it can byte you in the ass quite quickly when you hit some financial set-backs.
 
What matters to me as a consumer isn't the same as what matters to their bottomline. They might want to nickel and dime their way into bringing the Newton back too. And what's ridiculous is the massive fugly unibrow on top that we're stuck with for four years in a row and counting.
Yup, the entire conversation about "looks" is subjective. At least the notch differentiates an iphone and one can tell up from down. It feels as if on some of the android models one has to check how they are holding it. No differentiation in the looks either.
 
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Go ask a random non nerd iPhone user what 120 Hz is then get back to me.

Get back to you about what? Being uneducated about something like 120Hz (or any high-refresh technology) has nothing to do with someone self-proclaiming the necessity of it to an entire world.

Give everyone 120Hz displays for a year and then switch back to 60Hz and see who complains.
 
Get back to you about what? Being uneducated about something like 120Hz (or any high-refresh technology) has nothing to do with someone self-proclaiming the necessity of it to an entire world.

Give everyone 120Hz displays for a year and then switch back to 60Hz and see who complains.
A lot of people would complain about shorter battery life.
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What matters to me as a consumer isn't the same as what matters to their bottomline. They might want to nickel and dime their way into bringing the Newton back too. And what's ridiculous is the massive fugly unibrow on top that we're stuck with for four years in a row and counting.
Just your opinion.
 
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120 Hz is one of the first thing you'd notice,

There are many people that can take a snifter of wine and extol about the sorts of fruits used to make it, even going as far as describing even more subtle qualities of the drink etc.

Then there’s folks like me: “Hmmm, wine. Need more.”
 
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Go ask a random non nerd iPhone user what 120 Hz is then get back to me.
1year ago that would be true but now everyone knows what it is...you are just a fanboy...As for the battery issue they could easily add a 60 hz manual mode...Also yeah most people don't know the differences between 4g and 4g+ but 5G wiil be soooo important from now on...
 
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