Personally, I think it's a bunch of people trying to justify to themselves that they no longer want/need something they were fervently looking forward to in the iPhone 12.
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Kuo: iPhone 12 Lineup Won't Support 120Hz, 5.4-Inch Model Will Have Slightly Narrower Notch
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Imo, "most" people are not going to care. "Most" as in the average person on the street. It's clear though, "some" do care.
They are the same crowd who said “nobody needs a Retina display” back in 2010, same crowd who said “nobody needs more than 4kb of ram” back in 1985.
I don’t know if it’s just an OLED thing, but ever since the iPhone X I’ve had trouble reading text at night. I like to slow scroll through pages as I read and now I have to pause, then scroll, then continue reading because as soon as you scroll everything turns into a choppy/blurry mess. I’ve tried it on the same text on a iPad Pro and it’s just seamless buttery smooth text that is easy to read and easy on the eyes. I’ve seen several here who don’t understand what it is compare it to the speed of animations but that’s not it, it’s sort of like frames per second in a video. if you’ve ever seen a video feed slow down to like 10fps and can see the individual frames, versus something like 1080/120 or 4K/60 where everything looks smooth and seamless, that’s what promotion is like. You take an iPhone and open an app and you can see each individual frame, and it looks jagged and harsh compared to an iPad Pro where it looks silky smooth. It’s one of those things that once you’ve seen it, you can’t unsee it. Anyone dismissing it either has not used it, or is just doing so because well that’s what fanboys do. I’m guilty of being a fanboy myself from time to time, but I don’t have a problem calling Apple out when it’s deserved.
In the grand scheme of things with the pandemic, I wouldn’t care if Apple decided to skip out on a new phone entirely this year. But since rumors say they are gonna come out with 12, not even as S model, and they are gonna charge over 1k starting price for the base Pro’s, it is quite a letdown to see Apple once again not innovating or even attempting to keep up with the competition. I just paid over 1300 dollars for my pro max 11 months ago, why would I upgrade? For what? 5G and a LiDAR sensor? Oh yea the A14 chip. Well let’s go over those changes, talk about useless gimmicks. 5G most people won’t even get it, and if they do, and happen to be on Att like me their 5G is actually slower than their LTE! And their LTE is plenty fast for 99% of what people need anyway. And a LiDAR sensor? Holy crap what an absolute waste of engineering, space, and money. I used the ar bs ONCE in the past year I think on the iKea app to place a bed in a room to check the fit, and never again, instead of something like a 10x telephoto lens we got a LiDAR sensor that nobody will use. Lame. Oh but the A14 chip! Yea, ok, that’s expected, and likely to offer zero real world difference to anyone as the A13 is already faster than needed. I’ve tested my 7plus against my 11 pro in opening apps and holding them in memory and the 7 actually has much better performance in keeping apps and safari tabs from refreshing, and it’s almost just as fast. So it’s not like anyone’s phone is gonna become a spaceship with this new chip.
Everyone would have benefited from that 120Hz screen though. I don’t buy these claims that Apple is incapable due to whatever excuse is thrown out. Apple is the richest company on Earth, they are also Kings of the supply chain, if it isn’t happening it’s by choice, not by necessity, Of course I still think it’s a possibility it could happen on the pro models and all these leakers are just confused between the 12, and the 12 pro. I wouldn’t expect the regular 12 to get it, and I think they could have heard “no 120Hz on the 12” and assumed it meant all iPhone models. Year after year we’ve seen all sorts of leaks that turned out to be entirely BS. Either specs that all the leakers said would surely happen and didn’t, or specs the leakers said would not happen and they did. I doubt Apple will be giving out any info about the iPhone today anyways, probably gonna be next month until they let us know what they’re up to.
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I experience the same thing. My eyes often get watery when I try to view the iPhone X display at night, and I never experienced this with the iPhone 6s, 7, or my iPad Pro.
I'm not sure how much of that is due to PWM, 60 Hz refresh, or OLED regardless; but it's one more reason that I'm disappointed to see Apple dropping IPS LCD from their non-Pro models. I am seriously considering the 5.4" iPhone 12 over the 6.1" 12 Pro this year, primarily for the size. If they were going to offer the 5.4" as an IPS LCD instead of OLED, it'd be a done deal for me. The size I want with the display I want? I'd sacrifice the better camera for that.
As it is now, I'm quite conflicted because the rumor is that the 12 non-Pro will feature wide and ultra wide lenses, instead of wide and telephoto. With the iPhone X, I'm basically always using the 2x lens because 1x is always too far away. A phone with a 0.5x and 1x lens are twice as useless as far as I'm concerned. But other than the 5.4" size, the 12 Pro is more compelling feature-wise. It has the camera I want with the stainless steel frame, and likely the color option as well. I wish Apple would have maintained the lineup they used for the XS and 11, where the smallest and largest phones were the Pro models, and the boring model was in the middle.
Here’s the thing, I’m not saying that it shouldn’t have been in this year‘s iPhone. However, I’m happy waiting a year if we can get it implemented in a better way than was rumored for 2020.
The way it was rumored to be implemented this year was that there would be some switch deep in the settings app that would basically let you turn it on, downscale the resolution, weaken the processor, destroy your battery life, but you get 120 Hz. So basically, completely compromise every other part of the phone, just for a higher refresh rate.
The way it’s rumored to be in the 2021 iPhone is to use a technology called LTPO. When you are scrolling, or actively using your phone, it will display things at 120 Hz. But when you’re not scrolling, or when you just have your phone sitting idol, it will go down to 1ht. On top of that, it will display videos at their correct frames per second. A movie will display at 24 frames per second, because the LTPO Technology allows for that. It would solve the battery life issue, seeing as it would only use 120 hurts when necessary, it wouldn’t be too much of a load on the processor, and you wouldn’t have to compromise display resolution. So if waiting means that we’ll get a better implementation, then I’m happy with waiting. But I never said that it’s useless, and I never said that it’s pointless. Obviously it’s useful, and obviously people like it, including myself.
I think that was just speculation by people on these forums based on what they've seen on Android phones. I don't believe any of that would have been necessary.
If a 2017 iPad Pro with an A10X can dynamically push up to 120 Hz to a larger, higher resolution display, there's no reason that an A14 in 2020 shouldn't be able to dynamically push 120 Hz to a 2436x1125 (or thereabout) resolution display without those kinds of serious compromises.
What crowd is that? Can you name names? Otherwise this is a made-up fictitious universe, who you just labeled in an attempt to discredit based on some type of flip-flopping of views.
With respect to your next comments, I understand some of where you are coming from, however.
On my xs max I don't have an issue and my eyes aren't all that great. And sure, Apple is clearly deserving of some of the just criticism that has been heaped on it.
Who said Apple wasn't innovating. Innovation is a personal, moving definition (lately), and it seems there is little agreement on what innovation really means. It definitely isn't throwing in hardware and calling it a day.
Why would I upgrade my max? LIDAR sensor, 5G, camera improvements? Yes, yes and yes. 120mhz, if that was the only update? No.
That's certainly your prerogative.
Ok, that's your opinion. But nobody knows for sure, although I'm sure someone will state as a fact that Apple is holding back features.
Sure, as all this is rumors until it's not, it amounts to speculation.
I'll most likely be holding on to my 11 Pro Max for another ear, seeing as there's nothing wrong with it and from what we're seeing from the rumors, the 12 won't be that much of an upgrade in meaningful areas (120hz display, battery life). I don't know if I'll be upgrading anything this year, other than getting a new Apple TV since my 3rd gen is getting a little old now.
The 2017 iPad Pro had an LCD display. 120 Hz on an LCD display is nowhere near as difficult as an an OLED display. If the iPhones were still using LCD on the top of the line models, they would’ve had 120 Hz years ago.
I’ll be honest. I have a 120hz screen on my iPad Pro. I love the screen, but I can’t tell the difference between the iPad and my iPhone X.
Perhaps it has to do with screen size? I am usually the type to notice everything, but it makes virtually no difference to me and I’m not going to lie and say I can see it.
Perhaps it has to do with screen size? I am usually the type to notice everything, but it makes virtually no difference to me and I’m not going to lie and say I can see it.
Another reason Apple should've stayed with IPS LCD. I already laid out several other reasons in an earlier comment.
You know what would've been great. If they still launched four models this year, but two with IPS LCD@120 Hz, and two with OLED@60 Hz.
Noticing / not noticing and making it a showstopper feature are two different things.
This is true, but the grief Apple would have gotten by sticking with LCD and the lower resolution, compared to OLED, meant they had to decide which was more important to consumers. And it clearly ended up being resolution over 120Hz, at least as far as iPhones go. I’m like others on here, use my iPad Pro 12.9” 2018 every day as my work device and can’t say I notice 120Hz when it is in action. Maybe that’s the benefit of Apple’s ProMotion technology - it’s works so that you don’t notice it. But I also don’t look at my iPhone 11PM and think it’s missing 120Hz.
Let's see what the definition of "mop" is when sales start flying in.
They are already losing sales because everyone has their new phones out already and Apple was caught unprepared. Now throw in no 120hz display and why even bother upgrading? Terrible management.
Yeah that’s a joke. I’ll be the first to say Samsung makes some really nice phones but when it comes to flagship phones their sales aren’t going to compete with iPhone. This being said owning a phone isn’t a popularity contest so buy the phone you like or suits your needs. I like Apple products but I’m loyal to no one. If Samsung made a phone that I liked better than iPhone I would buy it
Me also. But I would have to give up a lot in terms of communicating with a spread out family in covid times. I just happen to like iphone (ios) better at this point.
Those who they were "losing" sales to imo, weren't going to buy the iphone anyway. I'm sure there are some who will claim so, but really no proof this amount of churn affects Apple's bottom line one way or another.
I had this conversation with another poster and it's about a lot of the manufacturing and planning for the android manufactures happened before the pandemic hit. It's not terrible management, it's covid-19. Big difference. And the world was caught unprepared.
The 120hz display is the last reason I wouldn't upgrade and for the most part, imo, only a few tech geeks would claim so. Another item that imo, won't affect Apple's bottom line.
Consider yourself lucky then. There's something like a 100 page thread full of complaints floating about around here.