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notch will be here until at least 2022-2023. even if the notch is shorter this year it's still there and will be until under display camera is ready. Clearly 95% of people could care less about the notch though
 
The notch doesn't seem to bother me whatsoever.
I always tend to go for the 'Pro MAX' models - hoping for Apple Pencil Support and in-screen TouchID......otherwise my 11 Pro Max will keep be going for another year!........
 
I couldn't be less excited about any camera improvements. Since iPhone 6, the camera of the iPhone is sufficiently good for me and the vast majority of users. Unless you are an instagramer or some kind of professional relying on taking some super high-quality photos with your phone, all these improvements are completely useless. Same applies to the display. Small jumps in quality which normal person cant really appreciate nor use in any practical way. The FaceId was the last iPhone improvement that I really enjoyed as it improved my experience with the phone. Everything else, is meah.
I upgraded from an iPhone X to a 12 Pro mostly because of the camera improvements. For example, low light performance is much better. Admittedly, I'm an avid photographer and notice such things, but I think even casual users would appreciate being able to capture decent shots when lighting is poor, since that's usually beyond their control. I don't expect the year-over-year camera changes to be worth another upgrade, though, unless they're accompanied by some other considerable improvements.
 
I fiddled a bit with a colleague's blue Pro Max. The size and supershiny sides made me happy to hold on to my green 11 Pro. The only thing I momentarily envied was the camera. Nothing else.
Yeah I would agree. I prefer the design of the 12 Pro vs my 11 Pro, but don’t care for the shinier sides, and honestly, for me in my location with limited access to 5G, the 12 Pro doesn’t offer anything compelling over an 11 Pro. The cameras are marginally better at best. The big news for the 12 series was the flat edge design and 5G.
 
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It's absolutely true. And there are a lot of reasons why Apple doesn't design, starting with the sensor, and have manufactured their own camera. Just curious, are you an electrical engineer or photographer?


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You don’t know what’s a match for 99% of Apple’s customers. You’re pulling that ridiculous number out of your nose. If we had this discussion five years ago, you would probably have said the same thing.
 
Timmy doesn't care about developing something spectacular. As long as minimum effort/ risk still sell tons, he'll keep on reaping these record quarterly earnings to pump back into worthless stock buybacks. Probably they'll be using these patents for infringement-related litigation cases and nothing more. And that's Apple today.
Timmy? You know him personally since you were kids? You really don’t understand Apple at all.
 
You don’t know what’s a match for 99% of Apple’s customers. You’re pulling that ridiculous number out of your nose. If we had this discussion five years ago, you would probably have said the same thing.

Your post: "I don’t get it. Apple has a huge number of photo related patents. That includes a large number from its own R&D, as well as I believe, at least 2,000 it bought from Kodak a few years ago. yet, it just buys these things from off the shelf manufacturers. It should come out with much better cameras itself, even if they do cost a bit more. What‘s all that money for that they have? From the vast amount they throw in the trash from those worthless stock buybacks, they could take a measly $200 million, and develop something spectacular."


What's really funny is your assessment, based on nothing but pure speculation, that the patents Apple holds make a good business case (in both performance and cost) rolling their own, especially with respect to the CMOS sensor, than using an available camera module (say from Sony) with patented technology that is more recent than Kodak's that is pretty much obsolete. Kodak's sensor tech goes back decades, with Kodak going bankrupt in 2012, and on life support many years before that. Sony dominates the phone camera module market. And...especially the sensor business, which is most critical. Guess who makes the highest performing sensors in the professional camera markets?

Anyway... I'd love to debate this further as it's a subject that's dear to me. By any chance would you happen to be an electrical/hardware engineer and photographer? If so I think we'd likely have a better technical discussion.
 
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