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Cellular better in a car. Just like FM is better than SiriusXM - you need line of sight for satellite (or ground stations, which defeats the point). Also much bigger latency for satellite (usually). Satellite is great for when there is no cell service, but is not a reasonable replacement for when cell service is available.
Based on what you’re saying, it seems to be an extremely limited use case. Either this report is false or Apple has figured out a way around the limitations. I just don’t see them devoting years of r&d into a narrow niche technology — unless they thought they could improve on it and expand use cases.
 
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There's no way that Apple would stick this niche tech into every iPhone.

This sounds like one of those bogus pieces of information that's designed to find the leaker.
Don't you think cell phone providers will see value if they don't have to rely on towers completely? This will fill the gaps in their coverage....it's golden.
 
Based on what you’re saying, it seems to be an extremely limited use case. Either this report is false or Apple has figured out a way around the limitations. I just don’t see them devoting years of r&d into a narrow niche technology — unless they thought they could improve on it and expand use cases.
It will fill the cellular dead spots for voice and text....they didn't say it would be for streaming.

I read corresponding article about a year ago. Band53 chipset to be included on Nokia's chipset.
 
Still waiting to make a decent quality phone in 4G….
Sorry to be "that smug European" but I suspect that a lot if issues people In the US seam to have with their phones are more of an indication if lacking RANs rgan the phones, unless I'm in the middel of fing nowhere I have good voice coverage, and mostly good or better 4G and more and more often even 5G. Ofc in the middel if niwhwew even voice can be spotty sometimes and ofc the OS has a lot more of those places than an average European country doue to it's vastly larger land mass
 
Based on what you’re saying, it seems to be an extremely limited use case. Either this report is false or Apple has figured out a way around the limitations. I just don’t see them devoting years of r&d into a narrow niche technology — unless they thought they could improve on it and expand use cases.

Since the functionality comes from qualcomm, not so much from Apple, it’s not clear to me how much R&D they put in. In any event, apple is big on saving lives, and this technology would certainly save some lives, and would be very helpful in natural disasters, war zones, etc., of which there are more and more.
 
Based on what you’re saying, it seems to be an extremely limited use case. Either this report is false or Apple has figured out a way around the limitations. I just don’t see them devoting years of r&d into a narrow niche technology — unless they thought they could improve on it and expand use cases.
Few options:
1. maybe it's a first responder device, we won't know until the model numbers get reported
2. maybe it falls in line with the dual-sim capability and now there's a satcom sim? chargeable to a different carrier
3. maybe this is Qualcomm's newest modem and has multi-band capability but we may not see its full functionality yet
4. maybe it's a false leak that Apple threw out there to determine where the leaks are
 
Sorry to be "that smug European" but I suspect that a lot if issues people In the US seam to have with their phones are more of an indication if lacking RANs rgan the phones, unless I'm in the middel of fing nowhere I have good voice coverage, and mostly good or better 4G and more and more often even 5G. Ofc in the middel if niwhwew even voice can be spotty sometimes and ofc the OS has a lot more of those places than an average European country doue to it's vastly larger land mass

What you’re missing is that in America we have a lot more “middle of f’ing nowhere” than does Europe. Even on the highly populated coasts, there is a lot of “f’ing nowhere,’ and that’s certainly the case in the middle of the country. So the places where most people live (urban and suburban areas, primarily on the coasts, but also urban areas scattered about the rest of the nation) have pretty decent coverage (though not always from every carrier). But anyone who has to go to, say, east texas/west louisiana, or Kansas, or whatever, is a lot less likely to find a decent 4G signal, let alone a 5G signal.
 
What you’re missing is that in America we have a lot more “middle of f’ing nowhere” than does Europe. Even on the highly populated coasts, there is a lot of “f’ing nowhere,’ and that’s certainly the case in the middle of the country. So the places where most people live (urban and suburban areas, primarily on the coasts, but also urban areas scattered about the rest of the nation) have pretty decent coverage (though not always from every carrier). But anyone who has to go to, say, east texas/west louisiana, or Kansas, or whatever, is a lot less likely to find a decent 4G signal, let alone a 5G signal.
To clarify, outside of cities, our decent cell coverage spots typically follow the interstate highway system.

However, the great thing about the US is that we don’t get coverage everywhere. We Americans love our National Parks and being there without getting interrupted by work, etc is bliss. Is this problematic in rural areas that people live in? Definitely but at least there is an upside for now.
 
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That is pretty cool! I can imagine hiking and feeling comfortable that I can make a phone call. I imagine battery life will be suck, but a PD charger would fix that.
 
Just because the chip supports a feature, doesn’t mean Apple will enable it. For years apple used chips that supported FM radio and never enabled it.

I had a Nano that supported it and it was really just generally worthless. Bad signal, static, iffy reception when moving, and I had how many music tracks? Why would I want FM. I mean, why not throw in CB radio too! 'Breaker 19'...

Some people do use their FM radios. Sure. Rock it if you have to. I value Bluetooth and Sirius/XM.

Anyone remember FMHD? Is that what it was called? So get your commercials in 'CD quality' audio? Sure. I'm so excited... What happened to SACD? And those MiniDisk players that were supposed to end up *everywhere*?

Technology has no mercy as it marches on.

(And bubble memory? 3D cube memory? Quantum Mechanics memory? Star Trek Next Gen memory sticks? Low cal IPAs? (What was the urge to trash IPAs? Good grief people!😡))
 
Interesting, could be a game changer, although how is the antenna going to work...

The antenna on my Garmin i66 is a decent size, i can't see how it can be reduced for a iPhone.

Maybe they will offer a slip on battery case with larger antenna for better reception and protection for out on the trail.
 
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To clarify, outside of cities, our decent cell coverage spots typically follow the interstate highway system.

However, the great thing about the US is that we don’t get coverage everywhere. We Americans love our National Parks and being there without getting interrupted by work, etc is bliss. Is this problematic in rural areas that people live in? Definitely but at least there is an upside for now.

I road tripped last weekend, and the 'Dead Zones' seem to have multiplied since I was last driving around trying to get to an event I didn't want to go to.

Like WOW!!! No bars, no service... Is this America (in a dry county), or a sad simulacrum of a civilized technologically based world leading country trying to show that they really still have it? I mean, I'm retired, and, well, who needs me, but still, I feel 'naked' when *someone* (a spam caller?) can't reach me in their haste to sell me yet another extended warranty on a car I sold two years ago!

Cell phone service is so spotty. Maybe a sat-phone is the way to go. Then I literally can pay out the *** for every spam call...
 
The suggestion that this would be coupled with network operators for service is a terrible way for Apple to go about it.
The cellular operators will charge like $30 per month for and it’ll never get adopted. Just like how most Apple Watch users never adopted cellular because all the US operators decided to nickel and dime us for insignificant amounts of data used from the watch.
 
The suggestion that this would be coupled with network operators for service is a terrible way for Apple to go about it.
The cellular operators will charge like $30 per month for and it’ll never get adopted. Just like how most Apple Watch users never adopted cellular because all the US operators decided to nickel and dime us for insignificant amounts of data used from the watch.

WHAT?

I was told that if I enabled cell phone service for my Apple Watch, I could save money by paying the surcharge, dump my grandfathered account, and would be able to get my spam calls on my Apple Watch, and save the effort to grab my iPhone to hit ignore. Actually, it's hysterical. I can still send and receive cell phone calls on my cellular Apple Watch, without cellular service being enabled on the Apple Watch! So, is it necessary? No. Stunned? Don't be... Just move on with your life, and possibly save some money? Who knows...

But stainless was only available with the cellular AW. I'm sure it was planned that way. I feel so used. 😧😎
 
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Back when satellite radio first came out, you needed a huge antenna. Now, the antenna is very small and incorporated with the radio antenna. I would think that it's the same kind of line-of-sight type of antenna that will need to be facing the satellite but not be huge, so you would lose service in tunnels, overpasses, etc., just like satellite radio. But it would sure come in handy when camping or when PG&E cuts power (here in California during wild fire season) to base stations and we have no cell service at all. Not perfect, but definitely a welcome alternative when needed.
SiriusXM radios always used button-sized antennas. Not sure what you mean there....
 
Sorry to be "that smug European" but I suspect that a lot if issues people In the US seam to have with their phones are more of an indication if lacking RANs rgan the phones, unless I'm in the middel of fing nowhere I have good voice coverage, and mostly good or better 4G and more and more often even 5G. Ofc in the middel if niwhwew even voice can be spotty sometimes and ofc the OS has a lot more of those places than an average European country doue to it's vastly larger land mass
The entire land mass of Europa would easily fit within the continental United States. Moot point. And lets not forget our friends in the "land of OZ"(Australia). THERE'S a continent with cellular coverage challenges... ;)
 
Just did a quick google search for LEO services, and can't find anything where I can subscribe today as a consumer. I can guarantee you that if iPhone 13 comes with LEO support, then Apple will provide this network service directly.
 
These are what modern sat phones look like.
No, this is how they really look.
[GSP-1700REFURB-BUNDLE] Globalstar GSP-1700 Pre-Owned Satellite Phone.jpg
 
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