Kuo: iPhone 14 Pro's Larger Camera Bump Due to New 48MP Camera System

[The Game 161]

They did address the HDR. I have no idea what else you could be referring to.

Nah it’s still rather bad compared to other flagship devices. Dark areas make them far too dark as well.

 

[killr_b]

Yeah, no thanks. I already hate the bump. More bump isn't it.

 

[420ravens]

Not really. In the end, art is art. And totally subjective. As a photographer, the iPhone has replaced my dedicated camera in most of my photography & video work except for wildlife photography where I need a huge quality telephoto lens. I have fully embraced the iPhone with all it’s limitations. I think it is the ultimate street photography camera and i have a feeling that if Henri Cartier-Bresson were alive today, he’d use one. But who knows. For me, I love how inconspicuous it is. People don’t give a phone a second look because EVERYONE on the street has one. Even a rangefinder will scream camera. To me, photography has always been less about the pixel peeping & more about the concept. The mood a photograph creates & the emotional reactions it causes the viewer to feel. I know some photogs look down on “computational” photography. But many of them also looked down on digital photography when DSLRs first started replacing film cameras. I think it’s easy to knock iphoneography or say it’s just for taking snaps of your baby. To me that is limited thinking. Yes, it can be that, cause it’s a camera that is always in your pocket. But the iphone, even with it’s limitations has limitless possibilities. I fully embrace it. Art is art, and I’m diving into the bottomless creativity of the iPhone as my main camera. And that’s not a diss on dedicated cameras. It’s all good. You do you. ??

Quality art requires quality practice so, "art is art" is a completely meaningless platitude. There's a well known portrait photographer that went from Hasselblads to using a Micro 4x3rd camera- which is still way higher quality than an iPhone. His work has gone from absolutely world class to very ignorable. It's tragic because he's an incredible talent, who has now beaten himself by switching cameras. That's the only change he made- changing cameras. Yes it's 100 times easier for him to work, but his output no longer has quality in my opinion. Yes I understand your rhetoric, no sorry I can't take someone seriously who calls themselves a photographer and says their main camera is an iPhone. "You do you", ok, well, yeah I did that by calling out what you wrote. Convenience breeds ignorance, make your life so convenient that it requires little effort to work and your work will suffer. Bresson used a Leica, Leicas are a real pain to use if you've tried, Bresson stopped drinking caffeine so he could reduce camera shake, he made adjustments to improve his output.

All power to you and your creative process. I got disheartened with photography in 2016 when in Greece with refugees, seeing that it didn't really matter what I was doing, refugees were being completely ignored and suffering hellish conditions. I dug out and dusted off my D800 recently, took some family photos and realised that using a phone is an incredibly poor substitute, even my mother said unprompted- there is absolutely no comparison on image quality. One is a photograph, the other is a disposable small-screen only image.

Yes I respect that in any discipline or medium- you're going to get snobs who say you need this or that and photography is no different. I could quite easily be playing that role here and surely I'm guilty of that without meaning to be. The issue here is consumers of electronics thinking that a phone on their camera is a legit substitute for a decent camera and I find that nonsense laughable and any working photographer I know would agree. Even as a backup a phone is very compromised.

 

[Mr. Dee]

What benefit would you have with a flush phone? Where it sucks its on the iPad, because its use-case is often flat on the table, but the iPhone is 99%+ of the time being hold or in a pocket. I have no problem with a bump, but it’s getting bigger and bigger and soon it will become hilarious.

What benefit is there having different color iPhones, what benefit is there having a Notch on the MacBook Pro? What benefit is there to charging the Magic Mouse upside down?

It’s all about design and explained the benefits of it being thicker, not only would you have a flush design that does rock back and forth while laying on a table, but you could accommodate a larger battery.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Quality art requires quality practice so, "art is art" is a completely meaningless platitude. There's a well known portrait photographer that went from Hasselblads to using a Micro 4x3rd camera- which is still way higher quality than an iPhone. His work has gone from absolutely world class to very ignorable. It's tragic because he's an incredible talent, who has now beaten himself by switching cameras. That's the only change he made- changing cameras. Yes it's 100 times easier for him to work, but his output no longer has quality in my opinion. Yes I understand your rhetoric, no sorry I can't take someone seriously who calls themselves a photographer and says their main camera is an iPhone. "You do you", ok, well, yeah I did that by calling out what you wrote. Convenience breeds ignorance, make your life so convenient that it requires little effort to work and your work will suffer. Bresson used a Leica, Leicas are a real pain to use if you've tried, Bresson stopped drinking caffeine so he could reduce camera shake, he made adjustments to improve his output.

All power to you and your creative process. I got disheartened with photography in 2016 when in Greece with refugees, seeing that it didn't really matter what I was doing, refugees were being completely ignored and suffering hellish conditions. I dug out and dusted off my D800 recently, took some family photos and realised that using a phone is an incredibly poor substitute, even my mother said unprompted- there is absolutely no comparison on image quality. One is a photograph, the other is a disposable small-screen only image.

Yes I respect that in any discipline or medium- you're going to get snobs who say you need this or that and photography is no different. I could quite easily be playing that role here and surely I'm guilty of that without meaning to be. The issue here is consumers of electronics thinking that a phone on their camera is a legit substitute for a decent camera and I find that nonsense laughable and any working photographer I know would agree. Even as a backup a phone is very compromised.

I think you’re letting your subjective bias be confused as fact. ALL art is subjective. You talk about a famous photographer going from using a hasselblad to a micro 4/3rds calling his current work “ignorable”. your comment drips with judgement. I don’t know the photog you’re talking about, but regardless, this is just YOUR opinion. The famous painter David Hockney went from using traditional paints & brushes to using an iPad for his later work. Now some may have opinions about that, but they are purely subjective. AND more importantly, the artist is the one who choses what medium & what tools he or she uses to create their art. You may have an opinion about that, and thats great…but it doesn’t mean diddly squat in the end. And it certainly isn’t universal. Although some my agree with you, you don’t speak for EVERYONE. Will an iPhone be ideal in every situation? No. Every camera has it’s limitations. Again, I am not arguing, I just don’t agree with your outright dismissal of the iPhone as a serious camera.

 

[nikaru]

That’s a very small niche, not profitable enough.

A small niche?

Perhaps we could interest you in a new phone with 5G and only 1 camera?

iPhone

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Once you get used to face id and bigger display it is difficult to go back to 5-6 years old design and touch id.

 

[name99]

Low light pictures are not improved by more pixels (if the same size sensor). The opposite is more likely true. What could be more likely is they use the extra pixels to “zoom” on one sensor and then bump the telephoto to say a 5x or higher.

Yes, IF the same size sensor.
I'm assuming we get a sensor size bump at the same time because that's common sense.

If we DON'T get a larger sensor, we will (probably) still get finer detail.
Here's what one of the Halide authors says about it:

iPhone 13 Pro: The Edge of Intelligent Photography

Octobers excite us at Halide HQ. Apple releases new iPhones, and they’re certain to upgrade the cameras. As the makers of a camera app, we tend to take a longer look at these upgrades. Where other reviews might come out immediately and offer a quick impression, we spend a

lux.camera

But honestly, IMHO, I care more about the light gathering win than fine detail.

 

[EugW]

Yes, IF the same size sensor.
I'm assuming we get a sensor size bump at the same time because that's common sense.

If we DON'T get a larger sensor, we will (probably) still get finer detail.
Here's what one of the Halide authors says about it:

iPhone 13 Pro: The Edge of Intelligent Photography

Octobers excite us at Halide HQ. Apple releases new iPhones, and they’re certain to upgrade the cameras. As the makers of a camera app, we tend to take a longer look at these upgrades. Where other reviews might come out immediately and offer a quick impression, we spend a

lux.camera

But honestly, IMHO, I care more about the light gathering win than fine detail.

If it gets a bigger camera bump, it likely gets a bigger sensor.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Why not make the phone thicker to compensate for the larger camera system? It seems like the iPhone camera will intentionally never be flush again.

Because the overwhelming majority of owners use a case, which wraps around the bump.

If the device itself was thicker then the case would make it thicker still.

 

[Htsi]

I miss Jony Ive’s thin and light designs

 

[Htsi]

Might also mean magsafe duo and some others may not work due to camera. Quite stupid

 

[CarlJ]

Exactly. Make it thicker, flush cameras, larger battery, and a return to non-wobbling sublime design of the Jobs era.

I think people would scream at a phone that was half an inch thick.

I'd rather see them make the periscope thing work (where parts of the mechanism are at right angles, facilitated by a mirror or prism), and go back to having either no bump, or one that doesn't protrude beyond a typical case.

 

[420ravens]

I think you’re letting your subjective bias be confused as fact. ALL art is subjective. You talk about a famous photographer going from using a hasselblad to a micro 4/3rds calling his current work “ignorable”. your comment drips with judgement. I don’t know the photog you’re talking about, but regardless, this is just YOUR opinion. The famous painter David Hockney went from using traditional paints & brushes to using an iPad for his later work. Now some may have opinions about that, but they are purely subjective. AND more importantly, the artist is the one who choses what medium & what tools he or she uses to create their art. You may have an opinion about that, and thats great…but it doesn’t mean diddly squat in the end. And it certainly isn’t universal. Although some my agree with you, you don’t speak for EVERYONE. Will an iPhone be ideal in every situation? No. Every camera has it’s limitations. Again, I am not arguing, I just don’t agree with your outright dismissal of the iPhone as a serious camera.

I find statements that everything is subjective in relation to art- the kind of thing people say who don't have or have little critical arts education. Objective quality exists and is very much verifiable and identifiable. More than this- objective quality is intuitive, easy example is that my mother said straight away that there was no comparison in image quality. Having seen David Hockney's photo montage work in Bradford, I'm thankful he didn't shoot it on an iPhone. But I'd suspect that David would be very sympathetic to your perspective.

I'm obsessed with image quality and I appreciate you helping me remember that- that's what this is about for me, and that's not what I think you're saying. I find it hard to see someone calling themselves a photog and their main camera being an iPhone because I grew up with film photography in a darkroom. Most people don't print pictures anymore, as soon as you do, or get phone photos onto a large 4K monitor, they lose all appeal for me. I appreciate that you're aware of what you're doing and surely that's all that matters.

My message to a Mac forum is, as a photographer of 20 years plus, with a Photography BA and many cameras- I wouldn't buy a phone based on the camera because I think the best phone camera is like the best plastic spoon- great for travel or infants but most people in the home use metal because it's a higher quality tool. Camera on my iPhone 13 mini is fine, but I don't take it seriously because I don't need low quality photos unless I'm using the camera to take visual notes.

 

[SSDGUY]

And what other advantages does the 48 mp camera have besides 8K video?

Higher resolution stills, obviously. I've started using my iPhone 11Pro for a lot product photography simply because it's easier for the workflow, "good enough", and I really don't want buy a higher-end DSLR, lenses, etc. More resolution (and perhaps even better, a larger sensor) will be great for overall quality, editing, and when I need to later crop in on a shot.

 

[SSDGUY]

the iPhone is evolving into a monstrosity

Certainly true for the Pro model. But folks (pro or otherwise) who's main reason for getting the iPhone Pro is for a great yet still relatively compact camera (that happens to be a phone and everything else) it's not as big of a deal. Trading some slimness for a better sensor and lens system isn't a deal breaker. Others might see the camera as perhaps second or third place in their priorities, so thinner and sleeker is more important than the camera system, and will opt for the non-Pro model. They still have amazing cameras.

 

[Scoob Redux]

I find statements that everything is subjective in relation to art- the kind of thing people say who don't have or have little critical arts education. Objective quality exists and is very much verifiable and identifiable. More than this- objective quality is intuitive, easy example is that my mother said straight away that there was no comparison in image quality. Having seen David Hockney's photo montage work in Bradford, I'm thankful he didn't shoot it on an iPhone. But I'd suspect that David would be very sympathetic to your perspective.

I'm obsessed with image quality and I appreciate you helping me remember that- that's what this is about for me, and that's not what I think you're saying. I find it hard to see someone calling themselves a photog and their main camera being an iPhone because I grew up with film photography in a darkroom. Most people don't print pictures anymore, as soon as you do, or get phone photos onto a large 4K monitor, they lose all appeal for me. I appreciate that you're aware of what you're doing and surely that's all that matters.

My message to a Mac forum is, as a photographer of 20 years plus, with a Photography BA and many cameras- I wouldn't buy a phone based on the camera because I think the best phone camera is like the best plastic spoon- great for travel or infants but most people in the home use metal because it's a higher quality tool. Camera on my iPhone 13 mini is fine, but I don't take it seriously because I don't need low quality photos unless I'm using the camera to take visual notes.

I agree that the "quality" of photos taken with modern professional equipment is superior to that of photos taken with an iPhone. But I think "art" can be more than just image quality. Warhol took his photos with a Polaroid and created art by painting on low-res silkscreens. In that case, he used the medium itself to make a statement. I would allow that current photographers could use lower-quality iPhone images in particular ways to create "art" today as well.

 

[Greenmeenie]

I find statements that everything is subjective in relation to art- the kind of thing people say who don't have or have little critical arts education. Objective quality exists and is very much verifiable and identifiable. More than this- objective quality is intuitive, easy example is that my mother said straight away that there was no comparison in image quality. Having seen David Hockney's photo montage work in Bradford, I'm thankful he didn't shoot it on an iPhone. But I'd suspect that David would be very sympathetic to your perspective.

I'm obsessed with image quality and I appreciate you helping me remember that- that's what this is about for me, and that's not what I think you're saying. I find it hard to see someone calling themselves a photog and their main camera being an iPhone because I grew up with film photography in a darkroom. Most people don't print pictures anymore, as soon as you do, or get phone photos onto a large 4K monitor, they lose all appeal for me. I appreciate that you're aware of what you're doing and surely that's all that matters.

My message to a Mac forum is, as a photographer of 20 years plus, with a Photography BA and many cameras- I wouldn't buy a phone based on the camera because I think the best phone camera is like the best plastic spoon- great for travel or infants but most people in the home use metal because it's a higher quality tool. Camera on my iPhone 13 mini is fine, but I don't take it seriously because I don't need low quality photos unless I'm using the camera to take visual notes.

Ugh. i’m done with this debate. Saying that art isn’t subjective is such an ignorant statement. i bet you’re not an artist. I bet you’re an art critic. Pretentious & booooooring. Buh bye.

 

[glindon]

Also potentially lossless digital zoom @12MP as you can crop down until you're using just 12MP worth of sensor pixels. Maybe that's less needed with having the zoom lens but it'd be nice if/when it makes it's way to the regular iPhone. I would also like to see the option for 16MP and possibly 20MP and full res 48MP. 12MP is a little low for resolving fine details like fine tree branches, at this point now we've got decent sized sensors the resolution probably is one of the bottlenecks to better image quality once again.

While I agree that higher MP is better for fine details, you are talking about ~1% of “photographers” and they already have a “real” camera. Most people’s highest res screen is their 4K tv, and 12MP far exceeds that. And most people’s use of cropping is to cut out the “undesired person” or the modern version of taking the scissors and cutting the photo in half.

 

[sdo007]

This is so annoying, the current size of the camera already causes issues with some wireless chargers as it's hard to make contact with the bump keeping it from flat contact not even including a case. This will only make that worse. Also they could easily just make the phone thick and throw in more battery and give us a phone that last multiple days on a charge and most people, myself included, would be thrilled.

 

[Htsi]

Cameras are decent enough already.
Favorite camera bump is of my 12Pro. Not intrusive at all.
These phones are getting way too heavy and brick like.

 

[CJM]

Making the cameras gradually bigger over time is why I think this stuff is planned out years in advance for upgrade incentivisation. Don't give the consumer the biggest camera we can make today. Give them 1-2mm bigger, year on year.

 

[xbjllb]

I guess the 13 didn't have enough mojo to get people to jump. 8k video? Oh my.

Curse you Apple.

 

[cocoua]

Would be funny if that was true and ”Pro” users would still be bottlenecked by the abysmal transfert speed (for this type of content) of Lightning. If £1000 models doesn’t get a Thunderbolt port or an updated Lightning that’s gonna sting…

this is the largest fail in history of smartphones and there isn't any buzz around this, this only shows how video industry insiders are far from understand anything about what manufacturers are offering us.

I mean, most people is happy with the things they are told about new hardware but they cant find for themselves the truth.

hope 8K proRes will give some light to all this shame. But I'm pretty sure videomakers just will wait 5 hours transfer and would be happy as Apple says to be!!

"it's magic! after 6 hours I have my 2 minutes video from my 1400 iPhone to my 6000 computer, WOW is like magic Apple! Apple! Apple!…."

I can't understand how a company known for dispose tech earlier than anyone, (sometimes too earlier…) is living with USB 2 transfer speed from 20 years ago.

there is this change.org petition in oreder to bring this to the public and pressing Apple.

 

[bumblebritches5]

And USB-C

I'm not buying another iPhone til it has USB-C.

 

[Tagbert]

Making the cameras gradually bigger over time is why I think this stuff is planned out years in advance for upgrade incentivisation. Don't give the consumer the biggest camera we can make today. Give them 1-2mm bigger, year on year.

or maybe as technology improves in various ways from year to year, they adopt those improvements into each model. No need to assume some nefarious plot to get you to upgrade. Just upgrade when your current device no longer supports your needs or some new features would make your life better. or not. it's up to you.