Another good reason to get the SE 3 before the SE 4 comes out 
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Kuo: iPhone SE 4 and Ultra-Thin iPhone 17 to Use Apple's Own 5G Chip
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I suggest reading more about Apple Silicon and ARM before making a comment like this.
What genius is taking a first year model of an in-house modem? Not me. Qualcomm is the leader in modems for a reason.
ARM doesn't make chips, they license reference designs and technology. Apple designs their own chips using ARM technologies. They are manufactured by TSMC.
I don't think (in these forums at least) that many people were saying Intel was the best of the best at cpu creation. Intel clearly was dominant for many decades. I think Apple was tired of the slow release schedule, boring/mediocre improvements, and generally ate too much power...as well as Apple figured they could do it all in-house so they could dump Intel and control 100% everything about the CPU (release schedule, features, pricing, etc.).
But as we have seen with the Apple Silicon, Apple also controls how much RAM can be used and at what tier of Mx processor (Intel kind of does this too, but with Intel you have dozens of CPUs/families/models to choose from while Apple as 2-3) as well as embedding the RAM in the CPU so there is no way to increase RAM or swap out for faster RAM.
To add to that. Apple is one of the founders of Arm. The M1 was not their first Arm-based system. All the iPhone chips are custom variation of Arm's designs. I think even the Newton was a custom design of an early Arm core. If anyone knows Arm, it's Apple.
I'm pretty sure that a Face ID, no Home Button version of the iPhone SE, with a first-gen Apple modem, is not going to do well. As a current iPhone SE owner myself, the primary reason for my buying one is Touch ID and the accompanying Home Button. If they remove that and insert unproven tech inside, I might as well spend a little extra and get one of the flagship or flagship-lite iPhones.
Although I appreciate the cost savings, for me the iPhone SE has been more about tried-and-true utility and familiarity. I've figured I'll join the Face ID bandwagon eventually, but Apple is reading the room wrong if they think the iPhone SE is simply about price. It's not.
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ARM doesn’t make chips, TSMC does, from Apple’s designs based on an ISA created by ARM.
Nope, Apple designs AS chips. The chips expose the ARM ISA but they arent ARM ref designs.
And neither Apple *nor* ARM make them, TSMC does
Apple's not going to reinvent the wheel, especially since they need to support 2G, 3G, and LTE. It seems the team was barely able to make Intel's product work. They'll cross license from Qualcomm, Huawei, Samsung, Ericsson, etc.
So glad Apple kept working on their modems.It is NEVER a good idea to have a monopoly player in ANY industry. Hopefully, the modem is good and they can dump Qualcomm. As we have seen with Intel, not just their past chips, but especially their train wreck new chips. Apple cannot afford to depend on other companies' technologies if they can in any way help it.
Well, unless it’s these Monopoly Players 🤭
Sorry, I really haven’t been drinking.
But for what it’s worth, I agree with you.
ARM = Originally: Acorn RISC Machine
I still have a fully functional Acorn Archimedes A310 from 1987!
I still have a fully functional Acorn Archimedes A310 from 1987!
Thanks but will wait until at least the SE5.
When Apple's modem has either been solidly proven, or quietly dropped.
When Apple's modem has either been solidly proven, or quietly dropped.
Yes, but Acorn, Apple and NXP joined to form the company called Arm in 1990. No idea how much of the early IP remains in the current designs. My point about Apple being part of the founding group was more to dispel kerplunknet's idea that Apple just licenses and uses ARM cores the same as they used to use Intel's CPUs. Clearly they're much more involved, and have been for 34 years now.
The Official History of Arm
Arm’s journey to the world’s most pervasive compute platform covers a broad timeline of company milestones and product achievements.
newsroom.arm.com
Still, it if took 30 years to beat Intel, that's not a good sign for the Qualcomm fight.
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