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Yeah, Apple’s CPUs have been such a failure and terrible for end users! Oh, wait..
If Apple wants to beat Qualcomm why not sell their M- and A-series of processors to the competition? Sell it at a higher price if they really are that good. Oh wait... too late for that... competition has caught up and about to crush Apple in every category.

That's what's happening Timmy if you don't pay enough attention on what's out there. I'm happy the competition is forcing Timmy to undertake action. But seeing the famous Apple pipeline he always talks about... it will take years and years.
 
A good reason for everyone to buy a different phone! Geeze. I recall the days of the inferior Intel cellular chips.
 
Intel CPU vs Apple CPU isn't the same as Qualcomm modem vs Apple modem.

Apple had a decades-worth of experience building A series chips, so moving to M chips wasn't risky. Meanwhile, Apple's building their modems off Intel IP and Intel employees


Intel today announced it has completed the sale of the majority of its smartphone modem business to Apple for $1 billion following regulatory approval. The transaction was first announced in July and includes intellectual property, equipment, and approximately 2,200 Intel employees joining Apple.


and they've been struggling with set-backs and delays for years now. That's why Apple extended their licensing agreement with Qualcomm through 2027.





Who knows how good the Apple/Intel modems will be. Maybe Apple will surprise us. Or will Apple throttle iPhones with Qualcomm modems like they did with iPhone 7 if Apple's own modems don't measure up?


If Apple had a confidence their chip was superior/equal to the Qualcomm offerings, it would be in their flagship phones. Putting it on the lower tier models indicates that they're confident that it isn't too much worse, and that it will prove tolerable to the majority of people.
 
Intel CPU vs Apple CPU isn't the same as Qualcomm modem vs Apple modem.

Apple had a decades-worth of experience building A series chips, so moving to M chips wasn't risky. Meanwhile, Apple's building their modems off Intel IP and Intel employees


Intel today announced it has completed the sale of the majority of its smartphone modem business to Apple for $1 billion following regulatory approval. The transaction was first announced in July and includes intellectual property, equipment, and approximately 2,200 Intel employees joining Apple.


and they've been struggling with set-backs and delays for years now. That's why Apple extended their licensing agreement with Qualcomm through 2027.





Who knows how good the Apple/Intel modems will be. Maybe Apple will surprise us. Or will Apple throttle iPhones with Qualcomm modems like they did with iPhone 7 if Apple's own modems don't measure up?

Oh God, you're right. I remember when they crippled the good modems so that they'd be as bad as the Intel junk too...
 
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If Apple wants to beat Qualcomm why not sell their M- and A-series of processors to the competition? Sell it at a higher price if they really are that good. Oh wait... too late for that... competition has caught up and about to crush Apple in every category.

That's what's happening Timmy if you don't pay enough attention on what's out there. I'm happy the competition is forcing Timmy to undertake action. But seeing the famous Apple pipeline he always talks about... it will take years and years.
Qualcomm is still playing catchup with Apple on any meaningful metrics, they may catch up, I doubt they're going to crush them, especially since Apple's business isnt CPUs, it's the whole product around it. And that's not even considering the ARM lawsuit on license transferability from Qualcomm buying NUVIA to get to the spot they're in (which, let's note, was mostly former Apple chip engineers).

I'd also argue it actually benefits Apple and AS long term to have the industry shift more to ARM since it gets devs more and more familliar with an arch they may not have worked with and increases the overall ecosystem.

As for selling to the competition, Apple seems to have learned from the clones that it doesnt suit their core business model to do that. Apple's whole thing is vertical integration and an interconnected ecosystem, they dont have a business model for being a CPU vendor nor do they want to pursue it (I'd also suspect it would trigger anti-trust regs, and I don't even know if their ARM license permits it without alteration). They're one of the most profitable companies on the planet, and consumer CPUs are a low margin business on their own, I dont see why they would even want to pursue it.
 
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I’ll believe it when I see it on the Apple website and it’s in the keynote. ! But 5G network is divided into three frequency bands (low, mid, and high) and which one Apple will use? as always the first gen is not good! but I think Apple will skip 5G to 6G! Huawei has alleredy build their own 5G chip! Rumors about Apple 5G modem has been around since 2018! getting tired of it!
 
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I’ll believe it when I see it on the Apple website and it’s in the keynote. ! But 5G network is divided into three frequency bands (low, mid, and high) and which one Apple will use? as always the first gen is not good! but I think Apple will skip 5G to 6G! Huawei has alleredy build their own 5G chip! Rumors about Apple 5G modem has been around since 2018! getting tired of it!

Apple will have to support all three.

The U.S. uses mmWave due to politics. Rest of world uses mid and low band due to technical reasons.

You can't just "skip" to 6G because that 6G modem still has to support 5G. Apple still has to do their 5G homework. Huawei built their own 5G modem years ago and integrated it into the SoC. They even beat Qualcomm by having satellite SMS and voice calling.
 
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The Apple Silicon transition, which started with the M1 MacBook Air, was astounding. Everyone was surprised by it. So, Apple has the ability to release a 1st Gen product that is actually mature and useable. Don't bet against Apple.
The M1 was hugely impressive, but it was also essentially the next iteration in the AX line of iPad processors, which they'd spent years refining.
 
I was waiting to buy the SE 4 until this. I may just get the regular 15 after the price drop in October instead.

(I'm keen to save $700 Australian vs the current 6.1" iPhone. It seems useless for me to spend another $700 on the 6.1 when any non-Pro suits me and the 16 is going to 6.3", pass on that)
 
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