Kuo: Low-Cost Apple Vision Pro Might Be Canceled

[ProfessionalFan]

Who the hell is this product for? Wealthy ******s? The Brock Turners of the world?

Being able to afford this makes someone the same as a rapist?

I can’t afford it and won’t get it, but I don’t think people that can buy it are inherently evil.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

I bought a few weeks ago and share price has plunged $5 since then. It doesn't seem like a lot investors are in agreement with you.

First off $5 isn’t a plunge. Second, a few weeks is nothing when investing.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Yeah, but then you need to buy a avp, and a mac

If you are looking to "pile on" against Vpro, there's already plenty of reasons not to buy: high price, 2 hour battery life, all the antisocial/dorky chorus, "what's the use case?", battery on belt and wire, "never buy 1st gen of anything", anything negative we can make up because we don't fully know what it can and cannot do yet, etc.

Furthermore, if one has no tech now, it seems plausible that Vpro MAY require users to have an iPhone too... because unless I missed it, there's been no mention of any cellular connection in this thing... so AR uses would not work when away from wifi zones without something else to be cellular connected. If that's actually the case, add the cost of a cellular iPad Mini on the low or an iPhone MAX on the high... or in your words: "but then you need to also buy a cellular iDevice." And add cost of cellular service too.

And if you want to use this as a Mac gigantic screen, yes, you will need to own or buy a Mac too.

And if you want to use this to watch movies, you'll need to own movies you've ripped, downloaded or access via paid streaming services. So you have to buy or rent movies too.

And if you want to use this to watch tv shows, you'll need to own the shows you've ripped, downloaded or access via paid streaming services... or you could pay for rabbit ears and 'have' to carry those around with you too... plus pay for something like a HDHomeRun device to convert over the air signals to a digital Apple tech can display... and maybe pay for an AppleTV too to deliver that signal to Vpro.

And if you want to use AR mapping support, you may need to also buy a vehicle to drive around so the maps can be used to help you get where you want to go. So add on the cost to buy or rent a vehicle.

And if you want to use AR/VR to project potential furnishings inside of a home, you may need to buy a home to be able to do that too. So add on the cost to buy or rent a home... and maybe the furniture you'll choose too.


Presumably, someone interested in this thing as a super-size screen ALREADY owns the source of the material to go on that screen and the device to "throw" it there. If someone currently owns NO tech at all, it might be better to start with a Mac or an iDevice BEFORE considering this thing. While it appears to have a number of standalone uses, some of the uses I've shared generally depend on another Apple device too. For example, it has a much lower chance of being a gigantic screen "laptop replacement" without the lap-topping part.

I would be entirely surprised if ANY buyers of Vpro own no other computing hardware. In fact, I'd generally bet that not only do Vpro buyers own other Apple hardware but they probably have Macs and iDevices already in their possession. If not, my advice to such people would be to buy a Mac or iDevice FIRST. Either or both are already high-utility devices with many benefits and well-established apps for their owners... and can generally cost a LOT less than Vpro unless you spec some of them up with lots of Apple-priced SSD, RAM and services.

 

[Bodhitree]

Not having a cheap device in the pipeline is going to kill developer motivation…

 

[CrysisDeu]

If you are looking to "pile on" against Vpro, there's already plenty of reasons not to buy: high price, 2 hour battery life, all the antisocial/dorky chorus, "what's the use case?", battery on belt and wire, "never buy 1st gen of anything", anything negative we can make up because we don't fully know what it can and cannot do yet, etc.

Furthermore, if one has no tech now, it seems plausible that Vpro MAY require users to have an iPhone too... because unless I missed it, there's been no mention of any cellular connection in this thing... so AR uses would not work when away from wifi zones without something else to be cellular connected. If that's actually the case, add the cost of a cellular iPad Mini on the low or an iPhone MAX on the high... or in your words: "but then you need to also buy a cellular iDevice." And add cost of cellular service too.

And if you want to use this as a Mac gigantic screen, yes, you will need to own or buy a Mac too.

And if you want to use this to watch movies, you'll need to own movies you've ripped, downloaded or access via paid streaming services. So you have to buy or rent movies too.

And if you want to use this to watch tv shows, you'll need to own the shows you've ripped, downloaded or access via paid streaming services... or you could pay for rabbit ears and 'have' to carry those around with you too... plus pay for something like a HDHomeRun device to convert over the air signals to a digital Apple tech can display... and maybe pay for an AppleTV too to deliver that signal to Vpro.

And if you want to use AR mapping support, you may need to also buy a vehicle to drive around so the maps can be used to help you get where you want to go. So add on the cost to buy or rent a vehicle.

And if you want to use AR/VR to project potential furnishings inside of a home, you may need to buy a home to be able to do that too. So add on the cost to buy or rent a home... and maybe the furniture you'll choose too.


Presumably, someone interested in this thing as a super-size screen ALREADY owns the source of the material to go on that screen and the device to "throw" it there. If someone currently owns NO tech at all, it might be better to start with a Mac or an iDevice BEFORE considering this thing. While it appears to have a number of standalone uses, some of the uses I've shared generally depend on another Apple device too. For example, it has a much lower chance of being a gigantic screen "laptop replacement" without the lap-topping part.

I would be entirely surprised if ANY buyers of Vpro own no other computing hardware. In fact, I'd generally bet that not only do Vpro buyers own other Apple hardware but they probably have Macs and iDevices already in their possession. If not, my advice to such people would be to buy a Mac or iDevice FIRST. Either or both are already high-utility devices with many benefits and well-established apps for their owners... and can generally cost a LOT less than Vpro unless you spec some of them up with lots of Apple-priced SSD, RAM and services.

The original argument was it can replace a mac, and i am buying one to replace it. Given how apple is marketing and positioning the product, with an M2 chip inside, there is ZERO reason it cannot run mac apps without a mac.

If it runs mac apps, even without any ar capacity, the price can be greatly justified

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I’ll hope right with you but an M-series SOC inside does not necessarily mean Mac. See iPad Pro.

Apple has never claimed it’s a wearable Mac. They have claimed it will run iPad apps… implying it’s a wearable iPad Pro (with many additional functions) more than a Mac. But we’ll see in a few months.

If Mac, perhaps only a Bluetooth keyboard + mouse or trackpad in bag to make it stand in for a laptop? If so, great!

I lean optimistic on Vpro but my gut guess is that it is NOT a Mac… though paired with a Mac, it can be a super-sized Mac screen. I’ll be happy to be wrong about that guess and it does, in fact, run macOS too. TBD.

 

[CrysisDeu]

I’ll hope right with you but an M-series SOC inside does not necessarily mean Mac. See iPad Pro.

Apple has never claimed it’s a wearable Mac. They have claimed it will run iPad apps… implying it’s a wearable iPad Pro (with many additional functions) more than a Mac. But we’ll see in a few months.

If Mac, perhaps only a Bluetooth keyboard + mouse or trackpad in bag to make it stand in for a laptop? If so, great!

I lean optimistic on Vpro but my gut guess is that it is NOT a Mac… though paired with a Mac, it can be a super-sized Mac screen. I’ll be happy to be wrong about that guess and it does, in fact, run macOS too. TBD.

Yes, but we know M2 is well capable of running mac apps with products like air and imac. Ipad doesn’t naturally have a keyboard and trackpad. The screen size is limited, and has a touch screen, so it make sense to not run mac apps. But avp was presented as a spatial computer that has infinite canvas, and can connect to full size keyboard and trackpad to become a work station. It doesn’t have the limitations, nor the special use case iPad supports. So I still insist needing another mac to run mac apps is dumb.

While we are on this topic, I still don’t know why avp needs a trackpad or mouse in pointer mode. If their gesture recognition is accurate, you should be able to use any surface as a trackpad.

I was optimistic on avp before it’s released, but Apple is hardly using, or even demoing its potential.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Again, I’ll hope right with you but I do NOT think your wish will be granted.

Conceptually, Vpro could deliver a virtual iPhone, virtual iPad, virtual Watch, virtual CarPlay and Virtual Mac on ANY size (screen). M2 or perhaps M3 could deliver ALL Apple major products inside.

However, Apple Inc. really loves them 💰💰💰 So I expect it to have a dependency on iPhone for cellular connections and another dependency on a separate Mac for macOS.

I am not being one of the Vpro pessimists here. I'm actually pretty optimistic about this product. But just think about the money. Apple would rather sell us all several things than one thing that could be up to all of them.

Macs have the horses to run everything on iPhone and iPad. Put a cellular modem in a Mac and it could be a phone too (buds with mic for conversations). I've actually used Mac that way with VOIP apps on wifi.

But Apple will want Vpro revenue + iPhone revenue + Mac revenue + Watch revenue + AirPods + + + instead of rolling all up into ONE product for "only" $3499. That's likely at least partially why macOS doesn't run on iPad Pro with M2. It certainly could- especially with a keyboard and mouse or trackpad. But it doesn't. Why? Most likely because 💰💰💰

 

[miiwtoo]

so apple, does it too difficult mount oled/miniled on the glasses and lcd on the external display, maybe a m1 or even the new Axx Pro processor and drop the price, you are selling the device as the new way in computing, computing is for all people, not only for you testing guys, think about it,