Obviously you've not priced home electronics, the desirable kind, recently.
Top end Sony A/V receivers go for $3300.
And that is not even the "high end" of audio or theater gear. It's just straight up Sony.
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Kuo: Low-Cost Apple Vision Pro Might Be Canceled
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Top end Sony A/V receivers go for $3300.
And that is not even the "high end" of audio or theater gear. It's just straight up Sony.
The same could be said of electric cars. They’ve been developed and had origins of over a 100 years but they haven’t become practical or economically viable until now. Whether the Vision Pro is that or some other Apple AR/VR headset 10 years from now, we’ll just have to wait and see.I share your opinion on this topic. For this thing, too many of us Apple people seemed to have lost the ability to "think different." It takes only a little imagination to come up with a plethora of uses of this product. For example, this is another kind of cut at the same sort of thing "fold" and "roll"able screen devices are trying to deliver: mobile screens bigger than a brick in your pocket or screen in a bag... this one with no crease, no hinges, no scroll mechanisms.
If you ever wish for a screen bigger than the mobile one with you (iPhone, iPad, MB), this could deliver that out of the same bag... and delivery could be ANY size screen... not just a single size or only a little bigger screen... WITHOUT the scaling up of weight as you choose your bigger screen(s) size.
To your last point, this whole crowd DID passionately ridicule phablet-sized phones for YEARS before Apple went there: "one handed use", "pants with bigger pockets", man purses, developer fragmentation, et all. The word "abominations" was commonly slung. Then Apple rolled out iPhone Phablets and it's as if no one ever had such opinions... and later some of the same people were then ridiculing those who dared to call for smaller screen version of iPhones... and that continues right up to now.
When imaginations shrink too small, progress is hard to picture, feared and/or outright resisted. But soon this will go from imagination vapor to tangible reality. And I suspect much like the "abominations" of phablets, there will be a mass shift in opinion once what Vpro can do is fully revealed and able to be demoed in stores for the doubters.
Maybe if we can adopt some bigger man purses or pants with even bigger pockets, we can find a way to appreciate this entirely new thing from Apple once it can actually be experienced first hand?
I was under the impression the executive left due to misconduct accusations, not the HoloLens. Not really the kind of thing anyone should hope for.
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It apparently is some kind of AirPlay or AirPlay-like receiver. Rewatch the WWDC demo and you will clearly see man on MB using it as a much bigger screen for that laptop. Here's 2 screen grabs from the demo video...
Clearly that is NOT an iPad he's using and that IS a MAC- not iPad- screen he's seeing super-sized in VR.
From that, I believe it can display ANY air-playable content… so not limited to only an ANY-size computer screen (though, to this road warrior anyway, THIS is a massive benefit in and of itself. Let it do this ONE thing really well, and that's likely enough for me to rationalize the entire price).
Think of any visual content we "throw" to a bigger monitor, TV screen or Projector and it is highly likely we can throw the same to ANY-size VR screen.
From some cat video someone has texted you that- for some reason- you want/need to see on a screen bigger than iPhone to the cinematic masterpiece you synched to the relatively TINY iPad for the long flight... and you'd much rather watch on a theater-sized screen. Instead of buying out the whole plane, pulling all of the seats except yours, paying to install a theater screen and projection equipment in the plane, you slip on Vpro, wash away everything in your surroundings (including the seats much too close directly in front of you) and your eyes see what appears to be whatever cinema environment you've chosen. Enjoy the movie on a huge screen while you fly from here to there... instead of trying to make do with a tiny laptop, iPad or iPhone screen like so many others do every day on flights.
Meanwhile 6 seats over, some guy is trying to watch the latest sports or news on the tiny seat-back screen provided by the plane. If you are interested in that, perhaps you get to "throw" it to Vpro so you can watch the same on a gigantic screen instead of one only a few inches diagonal.
Meanwhile a row or 2 ahead, you are easily able to see some person's laptop screen open, reviewing personal records with salaries and you can see private information you should not be seeing. If you were a person wanting to work on or review private information that strangers seated around you should not see, you can slip on Vpro for a completely private screen to do that work. Even the person sitting right next to you would see NOTHING, while you work on private company records, review the secret strategic plans or watch the R-rated movie without having to try to conceal the screen during the R-rated parts.
This list of examples can go on and on.
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""Don't skate to where the puck is, skate to where the puck is going
-- Wayne Gretzky
-- Steve Jobs""
-- Michael Scott
Also "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" another great Gretzky / Scott quote.
Those markets are saturated and rife with govt regulations.
They're exploring new or growing markets.
I don't think the puck is going to ar/vr. It's overhyped and will be a shelf decoration.
Every single person I know with a VR helmet/goggles used them for a few weeks and now they collect dust. Apple is no different.
That was to be expected. Other than removing the creepy front screen, there is not much margin to reduce cost on this. As usual, tech will become faster and cheaper with the years, but it‘s also obviously not there yet with it’s size, weight, external battery, etc. I expect that to need at least another four to five years, just to bring it closer to it’s original vision for roughly the same price (maybe inflation will add another 500). And then some time to make it more affordable. Apple is between a rock and a hard place here. They have obviously invested lots of ressources into developing this. Usually they wait for the competition to have already entered the market and as soon as it’s developed far enough, they bring out something more polished. (see: iphone, ipod, apple watch,…). But wih VR/AR it‘s different. His has to be experienced to show it’s value and it needs to be out there to kickstart the AR-sofware-market. I guess they’re in for the long game with it, longer than with the iPad or the AppleTV. I don‘t think we‘ll see an €1500-2000 Vision before 2028.
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We'll see. MP3 players, tablets, smart watches...Apple has had a lot of success where others before them have had only moderate to no success.
This is more like the iPhone or the Mac. Computers and smartphones already existed. But those changed everything.
If any company has a track record that makes me think they can move the industry, it's Apple.
I frankly don't buy the idea they were going to have a low-cost headset. It doesn't make sense to sell a high-end set and target that product for performance and then come out with something that does worse, especially since part of the point of the Vision Pro is to provide an experience you don't get with the cheap VR headsets or the like (and as a mixed reality headset it's not trying to compete with that directly.)
Apple has always started at the high end and then drifted down in price. It'll be tough but essential for Apple to iterate on the Vision Pro and create a more mass-market version eventually, but there's no way short of taking a bath on the product they're going to do that from jump.
Apple has always started at the high end and then drifted down in price. It'll be tough but essential for Apple to iterate on the Vision Pro and create a more mass-market version eventually, but there's no way short of taking a bath on the product they're going to do that from jump.
Wait…how did this become a stock price issue?
LOL, that’s funny. Okay, half-funny.
What about customers who have their third eye in hindsight? This product is posterior visionist if you ask me…
It is kind of funny to see people saying "It has to be $3500 because it's the best!" and "it will have widespread mainstream success" in the same breath. It can't be both, guys. Maybe it will be the best AR/VR headset ever made, but it's not going be "the next iPhone" at that price.
And that will be the “buy it now” price.
What was that book’s title? The one they made a movie of and starred Donald Sutherland and Demi Moore in?
No, it was iPad.
It’s “Huuuummmppp day!” As I write this. I still love the Geico camel commercials!
I read once that only 7% of the population could properly see the “bones” of a house with furniture present. The other 93% need to see empty rooms. It’s not about sight, it’s about vision. You have vision. Even if you turn out to be wrong on this one, please never let somebody else discourage you from having vision. And they will try…ask me how I know.
And the law of diminishing returns sets in massively above a certain price!
I suspect Apple want to turn the vision pro into another multi-billion business, not a B&O fashion device or a niche product. But even so, I was surprised by the bold pricing - it certainly enables a sub $2000 version to be lauded as "affordable".
You're projecting WAY too much.
I *can* afford it, but I will not be buying it, as it would be of no use to me. The discomfort of wearing it for any length of time is a hurdle I don't want to get over, plus I like having real monitors and keyboards and a place to work to put them. I do not game to any degree and I don't watch porn at all.
Trying to explain away why someone else doesn't like something is really not very productive for you and it ticks other people off. How about just listening to the ones that don't like it? I imagine not a one of us are lying (even to ourselves).
By a few, but that's only logical. It does cost a lot. At least with a car, you know you can get from point A to point B, but with the device, value is much more nebulous. Especially when it hasn't been released or final specs shown yet.
That's not what I've been seeing as a trend. Sure, some have but a minority.
The Macbook Pro is a proven product, so of course people don't talk about like they do in this thread. We all make our decision whether something is worth it or not, and $3500 for something that hasn't proven it is worth $3500 is of course going to get jawed about.
I've seen a few say that, but I haven't. I don't know if it will or not eventually, I just know it wouldn't be for me. There have also been people saying that it will be in this and other threads.
I'm not seeing a majority say that. Some, yes, but not a majority. I think it'll probably fail too, but more for the reason that all virtual/3d/vision stuff does -- it wont sell enough because people just don't see a need. (And it gives them a headache to try, 3D movies give me an extreme headache. Think of PWM on steroids!)
We'll see in about 3 or 4 years whether it will be a success.
People have been using the wrong analogy to compare with AVP. I think that it’s really analogous to MacPortable.
It cost $7300 when it was released in 1989. I had a clunky battery (lead-acid). It was a low volume product and while it wasn’t the first portable computer it does have a direct lineage to the laptops of today. The MacPortable did eventually lead to the PowerBook 170 which really does look like today’s laptops
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It cost $7300 when it was released in 1989. I had a clunky battery (lead-acid). It was a low volume product and while it wasn’t the first portable computer it does have a direct lineage to the laptops of today. The MacPortable did eventually lead to the PowerBook 170 which really does look like today’s laptops
Macintosh Portable - Wikipedia
I got a case for mine, so it doesn’t collect dust.
