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Wouldn't there be major impacts to selling both Intel and ARM version? I've already decided to get the next 14-inch with scissor version, but I'm thinking of keeping it for maybe around 3 years or so. If Apple doesn't refresh all chips at the same time, the Intel version of the MBP could be missing out on some software, unless software makers decide to release 2 versions.

And I can't delay my purchase any longer, if Apple is not going to release a new 13 or 14-in by this June, I'll be forced to get a 16-in for school (I love the screen but the size is too big for me. However since I need it, I have no choice but to adjust).
 
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I find it odd that Apple would release an ARM based Mac with the "old" design and then refresh the lineup after 6 months. It makes more sense to have ARM on the brand new design, as it is a completely new era for the Mac.
 
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The PPC to Intel transition took less than 12 months to complete. Will the Intel to iPhone chips take less than that?

How long will Adobe take to transition their Creative Cloud?

I actually think Apple, MS and the Linux community should work towards platform independent code. Why should we care which CPU our computers are running if the price, performance, power-efficiency, etc are all good.

If Apple can own the entire product, there shouldn't be any delays in innovation, but only time will tell.
 
If this happen, it's gonna run iPadOS. An iPad with a fixed keyboard. The world isn't ready for an ARM notebook.
And I bet it's gonna be a fiasco :D
 
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The fact that the first generation of ARM MacBooks will keep the same design as the previous Intel MacBooks might mean that the ARM processors in them will have the same power and cooling requirements of the latest Intel laptop processors.

Considering the performance per watt figures of current Apple ARM processors such as the A13, it seems plausible that a MacBook with the same design, battery and cooling capacity will be 2-3x faster than previous generations.
 
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Unless Apple is trying to kill the Mac, I can't see them switching over every model to ARM.

A first model, something akin to a glorified iPad in a laptop enclosure with a price higher than an iPad Pro, is likely.

Sacrificing compatibility and software by going ARM on pro models tho, ouch - it's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Unless Apple want to maintain some sort of Frankenstein split personality of MacOS then they're going to have to migrate their iMac and Mac Pro desktop computers over to the ARM archetecture as well. Apart from the BIG software companies, small and medium developers can't afford to write software for Windows and Linux and Intel MacOS and now ARM MacOS, especially since it'll be splitting Apple's desktop market share in two without increasing users. It's a worrying time to be buying highly expensive Mac hardware that Apple might render obsolete in a few years.
 
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I honestly still love the current design. I don’t know what else I would change besides smaller bezels, which is likely to happen anyway since that’s what happened with the 16”.

To get imaginative, I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually they removed the trackpad and made the whole palm rest area touch-sensitive glass with a haptic “click”. Would need rock-solid palm rejection though.
 
They’re already doing it. Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom and soon, Illustrator, are already built for ARM.
No. They are not built for ARM, they are built for iOS.

Big difference. Building for iOS means significant changes to the application. It's a lot of work. Building a version for MacOS running on an ARM processor is zero work.
 
To me it makes sense if this is for an ultra-light MBAir replacement. BootCamp may not work, but I think this is not that important for the MBAir target market.
If you need those features then (for now) get the MB Pro line.
Down the line, I think it is inevitable that Microsoft will release a dedicated Windows replacement that runs on an ARM processor design anyway.
 
Apart from the BIG software companies, small and medium developers can't afford to write software for Windows and Linux and Intel MacOS and now ARM MacOS, especially since it'll be splitting Apple's desktop market share in two without increasing users.
You are not a software developer, are you? If your software runs on the latest MacOS version, then creating an ARM version is close to zero work. In Xcode, you turn on support for Intel 64 bit, and for ARM 64 bit, you recompile, that's it.
Switching to ARM would most certainly be completely incompatible. Unless they manage to pull off another feat like Rosetta (which would likely be MUCH harder in this case), it seems extremely unlikely that they would switch to ARM and break compatibility with all apps considering that they have yet to warn developers.
Having "Coder" in your nickname you should know how little work it is to build an ARM version if you have a working Intel 64 bit version.
 
There’s just no way. With PPC to Intel, there was Rosetta which kept compatibility for PPC on all Intel Macs from 10.4.4 (first Intel version) all the way until 10.7. Then, the 64-bit transition was a loooong time in the making but they first warned developers in December 2017 by requiring 64-bit in the Mac App Store, and external apps were still supported with a warning until 10.15 (released October 2019).

Switching to ARM would most certainly be completely incompatible. Unless they manage to pull off another feat like Rosetta (which would likely be MUCH harder in this case), it seems extremely unlikely that they would switch to ARM and break compatibility with all apps considering that they have yet to warn developers.

I think there’s a good chance, actually more likely than not that they will eventually switch to ARM for many reasons (efficiency, unified architecture across all Apple products, etc.) and some non-Apple portable PCs already use ARM. However I think that’s a long ways away, unless they run iPadOS. macOS isn’t ready for ARM.

Following your train of thought, OS X was not ready for the transition to Intel CPUs either back in the day. Yet, they magically pulled Rosetta out of thin air and the thing took off, starting with a a brand new iMac and a new series of notebooks.

The strategy was simple and effective: Start with a few models for the mass market, then transition the high-end product line later. In other words: Give the one and only relevant third party software supplier in the Macintosh market -- read: Adobe -- time to migrate.

There are three options how they can transition this time:

Either

-- Release another Rosetta-like CPU emulator, only this time for Intel CPUs instead of PowerPC processors.

Or

-- Put an Intel CPU in the mainboard as some kind of co-processor that will still natively run x86 code, but run macOS (or some kind of iOS that it will probably rather be) on the ARM processor.

Or

-- Offer people who buy ARM-based Macs some kind of remote desktop solution: The old Intel software will run in Apple's cloud and you access it via a remote desktop client. This is what Microsoft is already offering under the name "Windows Virtual Desktop" for corporate customers as an Azure service. But, let's face it: Apple neither has the technology nor the data center infrastructure for this approach (unless they become a Microsoft or Amazon customer).

But: If they want this transition to happen, there are ways for them to get there. They've done it multiple times before, and each time without an early warning. The Intel transition was also only a rumor until it was announced on the same day that they started selling the first Intel Macs.

For Apple, it makes strategic sense to move away from Intel to an own hardware architecture (again). However, this time around, it will become a big problem for many customers: Boot Camp and the ability to natively run Windows on Apple hardware will be gone. Virtualization solutions to run Windows software on macOS (in a VM) will become painful again and they will have a significant performance loss compared to current solutions offered by VMware and Parallels. People who need to run Windows or other operating systems side by side with macOS will need to look for better solutions.
 
The PPC to Intel transition took less than 12 months to complete. Will the Intel to iPhone chips take less than that?

How long will Adobe take to transition their Creative Cloud?
PPC to intel transition took longer than that. It started in 2006 with the release of the first intel Macs, and completed in 2011 with the removal of Rosetta from OS X Lion. Add an extra 2 years for all the hardware to reach obsolete status to truly mark the transition complete.
 
Having "Coder" in your nickname you should know how little work it is to build an ARM version if you have a working Intel 64 bit version.

That depends on MANY things. If you have software that uses code that is close to the hardware, it will not nearly be as trivial as you make it out to be. If your code is written solely in a high level language and all your third party library dependencies are also available for ARM, yeah, sure, it will be trivial for you. But it's safe to assume that there must be many non-trivial reasons why Adobe and their third party (plug-in) suppliers have not yet fully ported everything to ARM, a lot of them will probably have something to do with their software running close to the actual iron for performance reasons.
 
macOS isn’t ready for ARM.
People said the same thing before the switch to intel, but apparently Apple had OS X compiled for intel from day 1.

I'm willing to bet that Apple had the same contingency plan (probably by the A7 64bit), by compiling OS X on ARM together with intel version. Steve Jobs was adamant about performance per watt, and I'm sure Apple back then already saw the potential of their own Ax chip vs intel's roadmap (which was continuously disappointing).
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If MBP become ARM, that would be disaster for some software developments, especially those that needs bootcamp....
Considering how Microsoft has Windows 10 on ARM already (and they dislike of intel), I doubt that would be an issue in the long run.
 
If you watch the video when Steve introduces the Intel switch over he clearly states that the Intel processors will last for the next 20 years so somewhere around 2026 the transition will start to another CPU.
 
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i think they will put new ARM chip only in the new Macbook 12 inch in 2021 with the new design. i think this is the reason for removing Macbook 12" from their website...
 
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It will run on 5nm++ or 3nm nodes probably. I'm guessing TSMC will be the sole supplier. Apple Silicon team is unstoppable. Well, a few top talents on the team left Apple to start their own companies, but still...
 
As long as Apple supports Intel Macs for at least 4-5 years from the last Intel model released, and force developers to release Universal binaries containing both x86 and ARM code during that time - then I think we should be good.

Having dropped a small fortune on my 16" MacBook Pro, and selling my 2018 15" MacBook at less value than I'd have liked thank to greater depreciation in Apple's design "choices" between 2016 and 2018 - I'd rather like to get some decent value of this machine until I can save up and afford the next Mac in 2024/2025 regardless of whatever is at the heart of the machine.

As a systems administrator, having the ability to run virtual machines (or even Windows natively via Boot Camp) has made my life much easier when supporting Macs and Windows. If Macs transition to ARM and doesn't at least support Windows for ARM (either through a new Boot Camp or VM) then I may have look at different methodologies for supporting both platforms - making my life that little bit harder. *glares at Apple*
 
Apple ARM CPU keep improving every year. And in 3 years it will be quite a big change. Knowing that, Apple's apparent care for the environment, and engineering know-how, I would like to see if some sort of upgrade can be done without replacing the whole computer. Maybe a mother board change only, even better a CPU swap out, if it needs a more powerful fan - swap it out, etc. Ain't gonna happen, forget it.
 
Intel performance is still far and above the best in the market, so apart from compatibility issues, we’ll see a performance hit. If Sapphire Rapids is not used in the MacBook lineup, I’m going Windows.
 
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