Kuo: New 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro to Enter Production This Year and Might Still Have 5nm Chips

[MacRumors]

Next-generation 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will enter mass production in the fourth quarter of 2022, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

In a tweet, Kuo said that given TSMC's guidance indicated that revenue from 3nm chip production will not begin until 2023, the new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models may still have chips based on TSMC's latest 5nm process.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1561741744248860673

Kuo's information seems to conflict with a report from Taiwan's Commercial Times that claimed the M2 Pro chip may be Apple's first 3nm chip.

While the situation is a little confusing right now, it's clear from reports that TSMC plans to begin production of 3nm chips for Apple in the near future, so we'll have to wait and see which Macs they appear in first. According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple has M2-based MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and Mac Pro models in development.

The current 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models were released in October 2021 and have 5nm-based M1 Pro and M1 Max chip options.

Article Link: Kuo: New 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro to Enter Production This Year and Might Still Have 5nm Chips

 

[xxray]

This makes more sense imo. Why would Apple do 5nm for M2 but 3nm for M2 Pro? That’s two different architectures.

 

[mrat93]

Dope. Now maybe I can get a 2021 model for a reasonable price.

 

[adamw]

This seems very confusing. Please clarify. Is it 3nm or 5nm Apple is going to be using?

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Kuo says Apple is going to make Macs in the foocha.

Kuo is time travelloor.

 

[tRYSIS3]

I wasn't buying the 3nm rumors anyway, seems too early for that, and very unlike Apple too

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Rest assured, Apple plans on releasing MacBook Pro 14” & 16” in the Spring of 2023 event point blank period

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Kuo says Apple is going to make Macs in the foocha.

Kuo is time travelloor.

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Kuo needs to drop some news about the upcoming iPhone 14 and Apple Watch 8.

 

[MayaUser]

Late to this game KUO...we already know this from Gurman
Stop copy paste on your twitter account from others man

 

[GuruZac]

Doesn’t really matter. They’ll still offer the same large gains over the M1 Pro and M1 Max that the M2 offered over the M1. N5P gave us quite nice gains

 

[macsplusmacs]

Does the 5m let them add something more? Confused.

or maybe cheaper to do and heat footprint does not matter on 16"

 

[MayaUser]

This seems very confusing. Please clarify. Is it 3nm or 5nm Apple is going to be using?

Nobody knows but Apple...Gurman says 5nm so i tent to believe him
iPhones in general are the first to set the trend...so expect 3nm to be next year in the fall

 

[DHagan4755]

Max Tech had an interview with Mark Gurman not too long ago. Mark Gurman said he thought M2 Pro/Max would be 5nm.

 

[jav6454]

Conflicting reports: either 3nm is in or not. I doubt Apple would do a mid cycle refresh to go from 5nm to 3nm.

 

[munpip214]

Does the 5m let them add something more? Confused.

or maybe cheaper to do and heat footprint does not matter on 16"

Yes, more transistors and performance and may lower power too

 

[MayaUser]

Doesn’t really matter. They’ll still offer the same large gains over the M1 Pro and M1 Max that the M2 offered over the M1. N5P gave us quite nice gains

dont expect the same gains...M1 didnt had hardware encoders proRES and M2 does...M1 pro already have encoders so...until 3nm there will not be that much gain like M2>M1

 

[Populus]

This makes more sense imo. Why would Apple do 5nm for M2 but 3nm for M2 Pro? That’s two different architectures.

Nope, different lithography. And Apple already did that, with the A10 (14nm) and the A10X (10nm) so it wouldn’t be so strange after all.

 

[munpip214]

Most likely the confusion comes is that TSMC is probably starting initial wafers for 3nm while doing mass production for 5nm at the same time so we are seeing both rumors.

 

[TheDailyApple]

Makes sense. The MX Pro/Max chips are scaled up versions of the MX chips, so I wouldn’t expect an architecture change. M3 will probably have the 3nm architecture.

 

[KeyserSöze00]

I still love my 2021 16" M1 MacBook Pro. Just wish the display was 4K and having at least one USB A port. Other than that, I'm satisfied. I'm glad they are waiting until 2023 to release it. Two to three years release is good. I just don't think another 5nm one is even needed right now.

 

[reallynotnick]

I could see a scenario where they jump straight to the M3 Pro with 3nm. The A16 will already be out to base it on and Apple has skipped generations before on their larger chips.

I don't think it's highly likely, but a man can dream

 

[MayaUser]

I still love my 2021 16" M1 MacBook Pro. Just wish the display was 4K and having at least one USB A port. Other than that, I'm satisfied. I'm glad they are waiting until 2023 to release it. Two to three years release is good. I just don't think another 5nm one is even needed right now.

why 4k and not how it is? scaling wrong for macOS just to have a few pixels is a no go
I also wished to have usbA and a floppy drive and if there was room also optical drive

 

[buckwheet]

Conflicting reports: either 3nm is in or not. I doubt Apple would do a mid cycle refresh to go from 5nm to 3nm.

Yeah, it would be weird, for sure. I could see 3nm being for M3, starting with mobile (fall 2023 release)—I mean, that's typically where they start with newer/thinner chips. I'd still consider an M2 MBP in the spring of 2023 though...

 

[KeyserSöze00]

why 4k and not how it is? scaling wrong for macOS just to have a few pixels is a no go
I also wished to have usbA and a floppy drive and if there was room also optical drive

The display isn't bad for the 16" don't get me wrong. But for the price, I felt like they could've went 4K. The display on the iMac 24" is very nice. Just wanted that to translate to these new 14/16" MacBook Pro's.
One USB A could've been done, but they've made up their mind to go all in on USB C. I get it.

 

[alpi123]

This seems very confusing. Please clarify. Is it 3nm or 5nm Apple is going to be using?

Nobody knows dude. You're asking as if we work for Apple.