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Kuo: Next 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Have Limited New Features
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This is a great question. If indeed the initial M2's are still using 5nm technology my guess is they'll just run hotter and louder than current M1's. Given that, I may wait until 3nm M2's become available.
I would consider upgrading at 3 nm. I don't need more CPU or GPU but would love more battery life.
None of what Kuo says here was impossible to predict. That's the weird part. Apple's one again running the risk of being seen as irrelevant in the pro-laptop space. But it must have known this was likely.
- The 14 and 16in models in 2021 were exactly what people wanted. Lots of people bought them for that reason, having held off upgrades. They intend to keep them for at least a few years. They won't switch to a new model each year. So, the marketplace is saturated already. This was predictable.
- AMD and Intel are stealing back the top performance crown on mobile with their new chips (albeit at high wattage demands). This was again predictable. M2 Pro/M2 Max should be the fight back but, at 10-20% better performance, the signs are it won't be terribly impressive. Maybe the supply chain issues/continuing COVID fallout have limited chip manufacturing, stopping Apple being as aggressive with M2 as they wanted to be at this point? More like M1.5 Pro/Max than M2 Pro/Max?
- Several sources have pointed out that Apple Silicon conversion of many pro-level apps remains tardy, with several audio and 3D design tools STILL being Rosetta 2/Intel-only (MAC address on Linus Tech Tips has covered this recently). Apple needs to do more here. Rosetta 2 was a stop gap measure. It shouldn't be still relied upon two years down the line. Part of this is down to Metal integration, and developers being unable to apply dedicated development effort to a technology only available in on ecosystem—if Apple was to put some money into OpenGL again, or create an OpenGL/Metal translation later, this could solve many problems.
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CPU's don't run "loud". The fan might kick on, but since no version of M1 or the M2 runs hot enough in day-to-day use to stress any fan system, nothing currently being released runs "loud". They will put an M2 Pro into a Pro laptop and it will rarely turn on the fan. So it will be near silent in normal use. If you run an absolutely crushing process (like export 100GBs of pictures at once) and multi-task during that process (like stream a video to entertain yourself while you wait), you will get the very quiet fans to kick on. But waiting on something because of heat and fan noise at this point does not really make sense.
If buying now, the trade-in value may drop a lot next month. If wait for the M2 Pro/M2 Max MacBook Pro 16" 2022, they may be noisy. Also, they may not be available immediately. It is hard to decide.
If they release 5nm M2 Pro/M2 Max MacBook Pro 16" in October 2022, will they release the 3nm version earlier 2023 or October 2023?
there are several components under that notch. A camera, a light sensor, and a True Tone sensor as well as a couple of mounting brackets. Also, the Face ID components (there are at least two in that) are about twice as thick as the MacBook Pro's lid.
Just because car manufacturers bring out new updates each year doesn't mean that they or their users expect to upgrade every year. Most people will hold on to it for a few or several years and then upgrade. In the meantime, incremental changes will add up to a significant update. Also other customers on older equipment will decide it is time to upgrade and get the new model this year.
Purchase is not compulsory.
They got a huge bump from people like me that had the 2015 MBP and were just waiting for a worthy replacement. It will be incremental for a while. I like to keep my laptops for a decade anyways.
Oct 2023. Annual incremental upgrades.
buy a Mac studio if you need quietness and power.
buy a laptop for your mobile work / lighter tasks.
Cant afford both - embrace the fans when they kick in on the laptop. Get the 16 over the 14 if you like it quieter.
Good point, I hate auto spell correction. But then again, you knew what I meant.
That could actually be their strategy. I would love it if they stocked M2 Pro Mac minis in the stores.
It is possible that we could see M2 Pros in the lower end Minis since the Studios start with the M1 Max chip. If I was the managing Apple product manager I would be focused on clearly differentiating the Mini as the low end of headless Mac products. That would mean fully dropping the old Intel configuration and only having the current M1 configuration, upgraded to M2 and M2 Pro chips; no Max chips in Mini, ever.
Emphasis on low end and facilitating minimum price points, especially in the basic M2 Mini, making the Mini a really really good entry level box.
Constraining availability of RAM to 16 GB or perhaps 24 GB and limiting how many displays can be driven to two or less. Let Studios and MBPs do the heavier lifting.
Just my $0.02.
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how is it unclear? of course its not releasing this year why would it? if the demand is low , no big upgrades , no 3nm chip and the new one is still good for while longer there is no need for another macbook pro right now
Apple's next-generation 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models will feature new chips, but few other changes, according to analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
In a post on Medium today, Kuo said Apple has lowered its fourth quarter shipment forecast for the new MacBook Pro models by 20% to 30% before mass production of the notebooks begins due to lower than expected demand. Kuo said signs of a recession and fewer people working from home are two reasons for Apple's reduction in orders, while "limited new selling points" for the new MacBook Pro models may also impact demand.
"The main upgrade of the new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros is only the adoption of new processors," wrote Kuo, in the Medium post. "The limited new selling points may also result in lower-than-expected demand."
It's unsurprising that few changes are planned for the new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models given the notebooks launched with a significant redesign in October 2021 that included a notch at the top of the display, the return of ports like MagSafe and HDMI, and more. MacBooks often go multiple generations between major hardware changes.
The new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models are expected to be equipped with Apple's M2 Pro and M2 Max chips, which Kuo believes will remain 5nm. Apple is expected to hold an event in October focused on new iPad and Mac models, but it's unclear if the new MacBook Pro models will be announced at that event or at some point next year.
Article Link: Kuo: Next 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Have Limited New Features
We totally disagree. In tech one must keep advancing, or die. M2 chips are on the street in lower end laptops, and have proven to be a solid evolution from M1.
Thousands of lines of code have been upgraded since v1. There are many folks like me using old boxes, ready to buy, but waiting for 2022 memory bandwidth, WiFi, SSD speeds, Bluetooth, M2, etc.
We do not so much need faster (since M1 is already so fast) as we need the current v2 iteration of Apple silicon and the latest architectural componentry. Now, not 8 months or a year from now.
We certainly do not need 3nm process chips in 2022. 5nm are much higher yield, so lower cost - and already proven quite powerful and efficient. 3nm can be the 2023 latest thing.
Midnight Blue is the WORST colour. It shows dirt and fingerprints everywhere. Give it a couple of months and the paint around the ports will chip and you will see the Silver colour soon. Horrible choice of colour.
If you want a TRUE MATTE BLACK laptop then go for the Razor Blade 14" or 15". But that thing looks so NASTY within couple of hours using it. It shows lint, dust, and finger prints all over the laptop. It looks really bad after a day of using it. WORST COLOUR ever!! Silver is the BEST choice hands down.
What do you mean. They need to upgrade the DISPLAY to OLED the Dell XPS OLED on the 15" beats the 120 hertz mini led on the Macbook pro. It is a NIGHT and DAY difference with Dell being alot more crisp and deeper blacks than the Macbook pro screen.
