Kuo: Vision Pro Likely to Launch in Late January or Early February

[chucker23n1]

Glasses and contacts are CLEAR. The front of the Vision Pro is OPAQUE.

Not sure how this escapes people.

Because the only relevant differences are the ones I've already pointed out: it adds latency, and reduces resolution. That's all.

As far as cameras go, NO CAMERA REPRODUCES REALITY. Why in the world would anyone think it does? Photography and videography are recording ARTS. They produce naturalistic images but they do not reproduce reality.

This is literally how eyes work, too. Not just in that they, like cameras, use optics to gather visual information, but also that the brain, like modern cameras, does post-processing. That's why optical illusions are a thing.

So if cameras don't "reproduce reality", then your eyesight sure as hell doesn't either.

Ultimately it’s an academic discussion since Apple itself does not refer to it as AR. It’s not AR. It’s VR with your surroundings as the backdrop.

One of the key frameworks you work with when building visionOS apps is ARKit. That's not a coincidence.

Oh, and Tim literally introduces it as "an entirely new AR platform".

 

[chucker23n1]

BTW Augmented reality is largely synonymous with mixed reality

Welllll I dunno if I agree with that. I think Vision Pro has one of the best approaches to "mixed" reality: turn the dial one way, and you get "augmented" reality; turn it the other way, and you get "virtual" reality. You basically configure how much you want to immerse yourself.

Whereas, for example, most Quest products are largely virtual reality, and Google Glass is largely augmented reality.

(You could argue the same holds true with AirPods Pro. Transparency is augmented, Noise Cancellation is virtual, and Adaptive is somewhere in the middle.)

 

[darngooddesign]

You’re wrong. Please examine the entire history of photography and videography. No one in their right mind imagines that photos reproduce reality itself. Images, even 3d images, are mitigated via the hardware. And really, it’s an odd thing for someone calling themselves “darn good design” say since this is visual arts 101 stuff.

No one looks at the LCD of their phone, or the EVF of their camera, when taking a photo and thinks “whelp… that’s VR”.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Because the only relevant differences are the ones I've already pointed out: it adds latency, and reduces resolution. That's all.

That isn’t all. You forgot color fidelity, field of view and any number of other factors.

 

[Surf Monkey]

No one looks at the LCD of their phone, or the EVF of their camera, when taking a photo and thinks “whelp… that’s VR”.

Nope. And no one looks at those and says “reality!” either.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Welllll I dunno if I agree with that. I think Vision Pro has one of the best approaches to "mixed" reality: turn the dial one way, and you get "augmented" reality; turn it the other way, and you get "virtual" reality. You basically configure how much you want to immerse yourself.

Whereas, for example, most Quest products are largely virtual reality, and Google Glass is largely augmented reality.

(You could argue the same holds true with AirPods Pro. Transparency is augmented, Noise Cancellation is virtual, and Adaptive is somewhere in the middle.)

What about Vision Pro augments reality? A floating screen ain’t augmented reality.

 

[chucker23n1]

That isn’t all. You forgot color fidelity, field of view and any number of other factors.

I invite you to think for a second regarding glasses and field of view.

I did leave out color fidelity, but only because I had already brought it up several posts earlier, and didn't really see the point in repeating all of that post.

Nope. And no one looks at those and says “reality!” either.

We get it, you don't like photographs, and think horse carriages worked better. Those young whippersnappers don't understand the world around them!

What about Vision Pro augments reality? A floating screen ain’t augmented reality.

So is your goal here to be mindlessly contrarian? Because, yeah, actually, sticking a transparent heads-up display on something surely does count as AR.

 

[Alan Wynn]

I totally agree. But at least that one investment can have a couple watching a movie together. Or a group or a family. 3,500 for one viewer is tough. Movies/Shows are a communal experience. No Super Bowl party with one Vision Pro. Lol

It might change the nature of some communal experiences by allowing non-physical shared spaces. One could watch a game together with friends who were in other place in the country. How well that will work remains to be seen.

 

[Alan Wynn]

If you listen to what they say about it? Yes they are.

Really? You are claiming that Apple has stated that this first version of the Apple Vision Pro, not the category it is building, is the future of the company? Can you provide a quote that shows that?

If it is successful enough to merit a second and future versions, Spatial Computing may very well be the future of computing, but it will likely take some time to know if they were right or not.

 

[darngooddesign]

Nope. And no one looks at those and says “reality!” either.

Since they are taking a photo of the reality in front of them, they do think the screen displays that reality. Now if the screen were overlaying a snapchat dog filter on a person, for example, they would not think it was reality.

 

[Realityck]

What about Vision Pro augments reality? A floating screen ain’t augmented reality.

Can you really trust your eyes to show reality?

 

[Surf Monkey]

We get it, you don't like photographs, and think horse carriages worked better. Those young whippersnappers don't understand the world around them!

How insulting. And no, that isn’t my position at all.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Really? You are claiming that Apple has stated that this first version of the Apple Vision Pro, not the category it is building, is the future of the company? Can you provide a quote that shows that?

If it is successful enough to merit a second and future versions, Spatial Computing may very well be the future of computing, but it will likely take some time to know if they were right or not.

Hair split. Apple isn’t qualifying their comments like that at all.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Can you really trust your eyes to show reality?

Can this be a more irrelevant “rebuttal”?

 

[Realityck]

Can this be a more irrelevant “rebuttal”?

I thought it was a nice close to an augmented reality debate.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Hair split. Apple isn’t qualifying their comments like that at all.

Is it your argument/view that Apple thinks this implementation of Spatial Computing is the future or that the category they are creating is the future. Let us review the thread to keep your position clear.

You said:

Apple is positioning it as the future of their company. It needs to sell way more than a Mac.

To which I replied:

Apple is positioning Spatial Computing as part of their company’s future, but they are not expecting that this product as it is shipping is the future of their company.

To which you replied:

If you listen to what they say about it? Yes they are.

To which I replied:

Really? You are claiming that Apple has stated that this first version of the Apple Vision Pro, not the category it is building, is the future of the company? Can you provide a quote that shows that?

Bringing us to your current quote. Either you are claiming that Apple is betting its future on this particular implementation (“If you listen to what they say about it? Yes they are.”) in which case please provide a quote that shows that, or you are acknowledging that they are talking about the category, but do not want to admit it (“Apple isn’t qualifying their comments like that at all.”). Unless you are taking the even more indefensible position that Apple never plans to update this product and therefore needs to recoup all its investment in this space with it.

 

[darngooddesign]

 

[ke-iron]

Apple will obviously sell as many as they can make. It will be supply constrained, not demand constrained.

It will be supply constrained but not by choice. Sony can only produce 500,000 of the displays a year.

 

[ke-iron]

I'd say it's more special to watch a movie with the people around you, instead of cooped-up in a set of goggles...unless you buy everyone a set, then for my house, hey, there goes $14k.

You do know some people live alone right? There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to enhance their experiences.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Is it your argument/view that Apple thinks this implementation of Spatial Computing is the future or that the category they are creating is the future. Let us review the thread to keep your position clear.

You said:


To which I replied:



To which you replied:



To which I replied:


Bringing us to your current quote. Either you are claiming that Apple is betting its future on this particular implementation (“If you listen to what they say about it? Yes they are.”) in which case please provide a quote that shows that, or you are acknowledging that they are talking about the category, but do not want to admit it (“Apple isn’t qualifying their comments like that at all.”). Unless you are taking the even more indefensible position that Apple never plans to update this product and therefore needs to recoup all its investment in this space with it.

My comments aren’t unclear.

 

[Realityck]

You do know some people live alone right? There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to enhance their experiences.

IMHO if your all by yourself why would you necessary prefer to use something that isolate's you further from normal natural audio reproduction or larger visual displays within your living residence.

I can see the Vision Pro is likely more useful for apartment living with thin walls, then simply living alone.

One should note given the streaming spatial audio that the Vision Pro is limited to, is anyone that enjoys the spacious of what audio really can sound like, will they be indeed satisfied with the Vision Pro instead of multi ch audio? Right away I can think of many wonderful high quality planar headphones when listening to a various music tracks where the bass reproduction would sound wonderful.

From a reviewer concerning video quality of this Vision Pro at WWDC 2023 private session . . .

The one thing I’ll note about video passthrough is that it doesn’t quite match the sharpness of real life as seen from your own eyes. I could tell it was a video feed, but it was a high-quality 4K one. It was in full color, refreshing at 90Hz, so yes, I could tell it was a video of my surroundings, but it was a great one.

This is typical 4k streaming quality, the so called 32 Mbps limited video that iTunes Movies and Movies Anywhere is capable of. Not the usual Disney + quality where it is less HDR like, missing depth and intense colors in very bright or dark scenes. Hey they are already discussing improved displays in the Vision Pro 2.

I think the fact that Apple/Disney are trying to hype their services can be viewed on the Vision Pro is a bit suspicious. Versus someone that just goes home and sits on the couch and watches TV/Movies from an Apple TV going to a wonderful very large OLED screen. You obvious will need to use a good quality PC gaming computer with display, as the Vision Pro doesn't support that form of entertainment.

So in the end of these thoughts, how many people that live alone really want the Vision Pro is a good question. IMHO I think it's more for the causal usage of isolating yourself from a family for some moments in the day more likely.

 

[ke-iron]

IMHO if your all by yourself why would you necessary prefer to use something that isolate's you further from normal natural audio reproduction or larger visual displays within your living residence.

I can see the Vision Pro is likely more useful for apartment living with thin walls, then simply living alone.

One should note given the streaming spatial audio that the Vision Pro is limited to, is anyone that enjoys the spacious of what audio really can sound like, will they be indeed satisfied with the Vision Pro instead of multi ch audio? Right away I can think of many wonderful high quality planar headphones when listening to a various music tracks where the bass reproduction would sound wonderful.

From a reviewer concerning video quality of this Vision Pro at WWDC 2023 private session . . .

This is typical 4k streaming quality, the so called 32 Mbps limited video that iTunes Movies and Movies Anywhere is capable of. Not the usual Disney + quality where it is less HDR like, missing depth and intense colors in very bright or dark scenes. Hey they are already discussing improved displays in the Vision Pro 2.

I think the fact that Apple/Disney are trying to hype their services can be viewed on the Vision Pro is a bit suspicious. Versus someone that just goes home and sits on the couch and watches TV/Movies from an Apple TV going to a wonderful very large OLED screen. You obvious will need to use a good quality PC gaming computer with display, as the Vision Pro doesn't support that form of entertainment.

So in the end of these thoughts, how many people that live alone really want the Vision Pro is a good question. IMHO I think it's more for the causal usage of isolating yourself from a family for some moments in the day more likely.

You don’t get to determine when and how the Vision Pro could be useful to other people. Your opinion is exactly that, just an opinion. You should really think carefully before commenting.

 

[Realityck]

You don’t get to determine when and how the Vision Pro could be useful to other people. Your opinion is exactly that, just an opinion. You should really think carefully before commenting.

The Vision Pro is being critiqued without a real user base. It's unique as far a preannounced Apple product at least 8 months before it ships. Every other product before it ships, has been discussed at length for pro's and con's in MacRumors as seen by the many threads related to that product. It will continue to be that way after it ships as people get a lot more insight to what it can and cannot do.