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Kuycon G32P - 31.5″ 6K (6144×3456) IPS Black Monitor
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M1 Pro here. Now it‘s working fine and 6k looks pretty amazingly sharp.
But with my M1 Pro, HDMI is only 4k.
USB-C 6k.
I didn‘t knew the monitor won’t turn on (not even the status led) if no output source is available.
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Again I cant turn on the monitor. Nor HDMI nor USB.
To all owners. Do you have a led when there is no source connected and can you use the OSD when no source is connected?
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Usually an OSD sub-menu for selecting an input source should be available when the input-select button is pressed (or from the remote control 'source input selector' if there are no buttons on the monitor).
I appreciate the Kuycon remote control is very minimalist in design. 😯 Maybe the monitor is always set to Auto Select, or maybe two buttons might have to pressed at once...
Once the monitor detects a signal from an appropriate input source, then the internal video board should power up and display the full OSD - and an image on-screen...
I appreciate the Kuycon remote control is very minimalist in design. 😯 Maybe the monitor is always set to Auto Select, or maybe two buttons might have to pressed at once...
Once the monitor detects a signal from an appropriate input source, then the internal video board should power up and display the full OSD - and an image on-screen...
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I just found out that the powercable they sent with the monitor was faulty and did not worked. Thats why my monitor did not showed any sign of life.
Now with a different cable all good.
A quick report. Retina looks great, monitor is very bright @ 100%, the sides of the monitor shift a bit to a blueish tint.
But only noticeable on white. Blacks looks pretty even.
Currently with my M1 Pro connected via TB4 cable only running @ 4:2:2 8 bit.
Is there even a possibility to get 10 Bit 4:4:4 on a M1 Pro?
Do you use the G32P combined with a dock and is there any you can recommend?
Th G32P has no TB so I can't connect my 10GBE adapter to it, right?
Now with a different cable all good.
A quick report. Retina looks great, monitor is very bright @ 100%, the sides of the monitor shift a bit to a blueish tint.
But only noticeable on white. Blacks looks pretty even.
Currently with my M1 Pro connected via TB4 cable only running @ 4:2:2 8 bit.
Is there even a possibility to get 10 Bit 4:4:4 on a M1 Pro?
Do you use the G32P combined with a dock and is there any you can recommend?
Th G32P has no TB so I can't connect my 10GBE adapter to it, right?
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Interesting. I just connected my MacBook Pro M3 Pro to the USB-C port of the Kuycon G32P using a Thunderbolt 4 cable. Under macOS Tahoe, I was able to use a resolution of up to 6144x3456 at 60 Hz with and without DSC.
But first and foremost, I use my 4090s with the Kuycon
? @xoa's comment was about 8-bit bit depth and 4:2:2 chroma. Your response makes no mention of either bit depth or chroma.
The bit depth used to be listed (as 30-bit or 24-bit) in the System Report, but it's gone now for some reason. Third party apps can show the bit depth though. You can also check for banding.
Our Monitor Picture Quality Tests: Gradient
Gradient handling is an important part of picture quality as it helps deliver better details in the shadows and minimizes banding, especially if you want to game in HDR, view HDR content, or create content.
www.rtings.com
As for chroma, you can do the RTINGS test, which would involve setting macOS to 1:1 (non-scaled) 6144x3456 and loading up this image in Safari (non-zoomed):
Whether you actually care about that chroma test though is another question. A lot of people would be happy with 4:2:2 on a 2X scaled display.
That doesn't make sense.
If DSC is off, 6144x3456 10-bit 4:4:4 at 60 Hz is not supported on DisplayPort 1.4.
In fact, even 8-bit 4:4:4 is not supported without DSC.
Furthermore, 10-bit 4:2:2 is not supported either without DSC.
8-bit 4:2:2 is supported though without DSC.
Test it yourself, but it seems that there are no problems at all with USB-C on macOS Tahoe with the Kuycon G32P.
Feel free to disbelieve me, but like I said, your claim that DSC is off makes no sense. With DSC off, it’s literally impossible for DisplayPort 1.4 to support 6K 60 Hz 4:4:4.
I’m not talking just about the Kuycon, but DisplayPort 1.4 itself on any monitor.
@EugW "...you can do the RTINGS test, which would involve setting macOS to 1:1 (non-scaled) 6144x3456 and loading up this image in Safari (non-zoomed):"
https://www.rtings.com/images/test-materials/2017/chroma-444.png
The problem with using Safari is that, by design, Safari is an 8 bit program (using sRGB).
The recommended methodology for the RTings tests (especially the gradient tests) is to download the file, and then open it in Preview, and check that View>Actual Size is selected.
That way you get a 10 bit if your System Settings>Displays is set to a 10 bit mode - like Display P3.
https://www.rtings.com/images/test-materials/2017/chroma-444.png
The problem with using Safari is that, by design, Safari is an 8 bit program (using sRGB).
The recommended methodology for the RTings tests (especially the gradient tests) is to download the file, and then open it in Preview, and check that View>Actual Size is selected.
That way you get a 10 bit if your System Settings>Displays is set to a 10 bit mode - like Display P3.
Hmmm… Safari has supported Display P3 since 2021. Chrome has it too.
If you want to check to see if Display P3 wide colour gamut is working, you can check it on the Webkit blog on Display P3.
I can see the Webkit logo in the Display P3 pic on my M4 Mac mini with 10-bit monitor, but I can't see the logo on my 2017 MacBook with built-in 8-bit screen.
Interestingly though, if I download that Display P3 pic and then upload it to MacRumors, I can see the logo on my 2017 MacBook. I guess it is being converted at some point during this process for compatibility reasons.
I can see the Webkit logo in the Display P3 pic on my M4 Mac mini with 10-bit monitor, but I can't see the logo on my 2017 MacBook with built-in 8-bit screen.
Interestingly though, if I download that Display P3 pic and then upload it to MacRumors, I can see the logo on my 2017 MacBook. I guess it is being converted at some point during this process for compatibility reasons.
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@EugW
Thanks for the info.
The test is indistinguishable in either Safari or Preview.
But since there are only a handful of colours onscreen in the Chroma Test, it doesn't matter whether it's 16.7M or 1.07Bn colours. 😉
The real thing is it's not about the photograph, because than never reproduces properly (because of the camera pixels).
It's about looking closely at the screen, and interpreting what you see.
The important thing to look for are the pixels that should have colour, to check if they don't.
These will be pure Red or Blue pixels, because with YCbCr encoding they don't have a Y component.
Y (Luminance) is always transmitted for every pixel.
When the colour drops from 4.4.4 to 4.2.2 then whole areas of the image just aren't there.
It's most noticeable with the vertical lines under the text
Here's my 5K screen, with two RGB 4.4.4 and two YCbCr 4.2.2 images, photographed through a loupe so every individual phosphor is visible to the eye. Less so to the camera...
In the third image, you can clearly see that in the yellow or green lines every other line has no colour, only luminance.
Thanks for the info.
The test is indistinguishable in either Safari or Preview.
But since there are only a handful of colours onscreen in the Chroma Test, it doesn't matter whether it's 16.7M or 1.07Bn colours. 😉
The real thing is it's not about the photograph, because than never reproduces properly (because of the camera pixels).
It's about looking closely at the screen, and interpreting what you see.
The important thing to look for are the pixels that should have colour, to check if they don't.
These will be pure Red or Blue pixels, because with YCbCr encoding they don't have a Y component.
Y (Luminance) is always transmitted for every pixel.
When the colour drops from 4.4.4 to 4.2.2 then whole areas of the image just aren't there.
It's most noticeable with the vertical lines under the text
Here's my 5K screen, with two RGB 4.4.4 and two YCbCr 4.2.2 images, photographed through a loupe so every individual phosphor is visible to the eye. Less so to the camera...
In the third image, you can clearly see that in the yellow or green lines every other line has no colour, only luminance.
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^Nice pix @PaulD-UK
BTW, if I direct link the Display P3 image from that Webkit blog page, it will show properly at MacRumors.
I can see the logo on my Tahoe Mac mini with 10-bit 6K monitor, but I cannot see it on my Ventura 8-bit 12" MacBook screen. (On the MacBook it just looks like a solid red square.)
Display P3 (wide colour gamut):
BTW, if I direct link the Display P3 image from that Webkit blog page, it will show properly at MacRumors.
I can see the logo on my Tahoe Mac mini with 10-bit 6K monitor, but I cannot see it on my Ventura 8-bit 12" MacBook screen. (On the MacBook it just looks like a solid red square.)
Display P3 (wide colour gamut):
Thunderbolt 4 (i.e. DP1.4 with DSC) can drive 8K60 thus it easily can drive 5K120 or 6K90.
In theory it could be 6K90 with TB4 and 6K120 with TB5.
it's clearly a macOS bug, it was eventually fixed but then has been reintroduced some time ago. BTW, Apple uses DP1.4 DSC in most of its computers nowadays, not dual channel TB3.
obviously it should affect picture quality, especially smaller colorful text quality because chroma subsampling is a technique used to reduce amount of data transferred to a monitor. And it's not lossless.
this theory breaks down at a moment you see that Dell 6K (which uses TB4) is also affected by this bug.
No, USB-C to DP1.4 Adapter can't help but this specific USB-C to HDMI adapter can. You can find out more here.
that's right. You have only USB 2.0.
that's just not possible. MacBook Pro M3 Pro doesn't support DP2.1 so it uses DP1.4 which simply can't drive full 6K without DSC.