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So does that mean we should call the Lacie adapter "USB 2.5"? I thought the joke of a USB 2.0 to USB 3.0 adapter was funny. If ExpressCard really has that limit then its just sad that they are selling a USB 3.0 express card adapter.

No, it's not sad because it provides compatibility with USB 3.0 devices at a speed which is not bad.

It gives you an option over eSATA at the same speed.
 
So is this the beginning of the end of Firewire? Or are we going to see Firewire 1600?

Edit: I just read the Lightpeak post. Question answered.

USB 3.0 is total overkill for everything except possibly hard drives. Printers don't need it, scanners don't need it, mice and keyboards certainly don't need it, USB sound systems don't need it. The list of things that gain nothing from USB 3.0 goes on and on. Once again the tech spec nerdocracy goes nuts over something the average user has no interest in or need for. All it is is something for the tech spec crowd to argue over and beat each other up over becasue this or that platform/device does or deosn't have it yet.:eek:
 
I wouldn't rush out to buy Lacie drives just for USB 3. Most of the drives we buy retail are really just drive enclosures designed by that company. The bridge between the enclosure and the drive is the most important designed piece by the company and in the case of Lacie they fail. BTW, if you do have a LaCie drive go down, just buy another enclosure and you will probably be back up and working in no time.
 
Wait it out...

How's about we all wait to see some real world performance test results before we go all postal over USB 3.0? Specs and reality are often two different things aren't they.
 
I think they should make a combo ExpressCard with one eSATA port and one USB 3.0 port, even if the total bandwidth available is only 2.5 Gbps.
 
I assume once apple adopts it, you will be praising the move. Until then, it is "stupid" tech right?

You should read my history of posts, then...I have said that about Blu-Ray and will say it about USB 3.0, independently of Apple's adoption of either technology...Intel is the key here, and they have already endorsed LP as the way to go. Fortunately, SJ is not as stupid as the rest of us: he anticipates future markets and understands very well that both technologies are going nowhere.

As for Blu-Ray, I have exhaustively argued that it represents a quality "leap" FAR BEHIND that of DVD over VHS, or of CDs over vinyl. Nobody cares about Blu-Ray, and its uptake is simply a force-fed movement by Sony and a few desperate studios...they know they're running out of time, and that streaming is increasingly the rule in broadband-abundant markets. Will it continue to exist? Sure, but not as the ubiquitous standard people purported it to be...not by a long shot.

And as regards other developing or emerging markets, DVD is and shall continue to be king, especially given Blu-Ray's stupid DRM...there is no question about it.
 
Nothing important; just another STILLBORN technology like Blu-Ray. Nice move by LaCie, but ineffective nevertheless.

Move along, citizens... :rolleyes:

Stillborn? What evidence do you have to say this? Just because its getting off the ground does not mean its stillborn. When Intel begins its formal support of the standard in 2011, we'll see how stillborn it is.
 
Stillborn? What evidence do you have to say this? Just because its getting off the ground does not mean its stillborn. When Intel begins its formal support of the standard in 2011, we'll see how stillborn it is.

So you really think that Intel will actively support both when it's heavily behind LP? Not a chance.
 
Clearly Apple will wait and implement Lightpeak

Catchy name : Blitzkrieg :)

La Cie is a French company. They just do things differently in France.

Just how often is everybody transferring stuff? So, it takes longer. Big deal.

Remember floppy transfers 400k? We did with that until they wrote to both sides. Then HD's and so on.

If people participate in technology means patience and obsolete stuff , lots of it:)

Apple will rarely be in a race to have the latest.

Given a choice of something that works well or latest technology unproven. I'll wait. Thank you!
 
Clearly Apple will wait and implement Lightpeak

Catchy name : Blitzkrieg :)

La Cie is a French company. They just do things differently in France.

Just how often is everybody transferring stuff? So, it takes longer. Big deal.

Remember floppy transfers 400k? We did with that until they wrote to both sides. Then HD's and so on.

If people participate in technology means patience and obsolete stuff , lots of it:)

Apple will rarely be in a race to have the latest.

Given a choice of something that works well or latest technology unproven. I'll wait. Thank you!

Apple at times races to be the first with new tech
 
HI can someone help me fix my safari problem it won't launch at all?? any suggestions I did reset,nothing it won't open more than 2sec and says it unexpectedly closed??
 
Here are some numbers and salient points:

So, with all the USB3 discussion, what is it really? Considering USB2 is a joke for drive usage due to the inherent design of USB, does 3 fix that? Or is it just faster but still including slow downs from other devices and overall latency?

USB3 is a lot faster in theory than USB2, and even in actual throughput it is still pretty impressive.

USB2 : 60MB/s (actual only ~ 35MB/s)
USB3 : 625MB/s (actual only ~ 400MB/s)

for comparison:

Gigbit ethernet: 125MB/s
Firewire 800: 98.304 MB/s
SATA II (as used in Macbook Pros) : 300 MB/s

But, take note that ExpressCard 34 is only specced to 312.5 MB/s...
 
And as regards other developing or emerging markets, DVD is and shall continue to be king, especially given Blu-Ray's stupid DRM...there is no question about it.
Ah, now I understand your position. Because it is harder to copy/steal, you think it is dead. Interesting.

People said the same thing of DVD, VHS will never die, DVD is niche-only, blah, blah, blah. And BD has had a faster growth rate/market penetration than DVD at the same age.
 
So you really think that Intel will actively support both when it's heavily behind LP? Not a chance.

Intel does not live in vacuum. AMD and others (e.g. LaCie, Black Magic, Gigabyte) have taken it upon themselves to add USB 3, making its inclusion by Intel almost a necessity at some point. I don't know if they will be pushing it hard, but the marketplace seems to be moving forward with the standard.

Currently we have two device connections, FireWire and USB 2.0. Relatively speaking, one is fast and the other is super-fast. In a few years we will have two device connections, LightPeak and USB 3.0, relatively speaking one will be fast and the other super-fast.
 
USB3 is a lot faster in theory than USB2, and even in actual throughput it is still pretty impressive.

USB2 : 60MB/s (actual only ~ 35MB/s)
USB3 : 625MB/s (actual only ~ 400MB/s)

for comparison:

Gigbit ethernet: 125MB/s
Firewire 800: 98.304 MB/s
SATA II (as used in Macbook Pros) : 300 MB/s

But, take note that ExpressCard 34 is only specced to 312.5 MB/s...
Thanks. So, is your FW800 calc really accurate to three decimal places?? :D
 
You should read my history of posts, then...I have said that about Blu-Ray and will say it about USB 3.0, independently of Apple's adoption of either technology...Intel is the key here, and they have already endorsed LP as the way to go. Fortunately, SJ is not as stupid as the rest of us: he anticipates future markets and understands very well that both technologies are going nowhere.

As for Blu-Ray, I have exhaustively argued that it represents a quality "leap" FAR BEHIND that of DVD over VHS, or of CDs over vinyl. Nobody cares about Blu-Ray, and its uptake is simply a force-fed movement by Sony and a few desperate studios...they know they're running out of time, and that streaming is increasingly the rule in broadband-abundant markets. Will it continue to exist? Sure, but not as the ubiquitous standard people purported it to be...not by a long shot.

And as regards other developing or emerging markets, DVD is and shall continue to be king, especially given Blu-Ray's stupid DRM...there is no question about it.

Huh? I have a hard time keep up with all your ridiculous assumptions. Bluray market share increases every quarter, but its a stillborn? :rolleyes:

Oh as it is right now, Intel is behind the curve on USB3. Lightpeak is essentially and unproduced concept, while USB 3.0 is being installed in laptops and desktops as we speak.
 
HI can someone help me fix my safari problem it won't launch at all?? any suggestions I did reset,nothing it won't open more than 2sec and says it unexpectedly closed??

Firstly, just google it, go to an Apple support thread, or start your own thread on MR. Don't go around spamming other threads. We can hardly help unless you start a proper thread, and give us proper information. ie. When did the problem start? Was there any Hardware or software changes that may have provoked it? What exactly have you done to try to troubleshoot it? What version software are you running, and on what computer? Unless you're specific, we can't help.
I'll give it a try though, uninstall and re-download Safari from Apple. Failing that, get yourself either Firefox or Chrome. :D
 
I've got a 32gb USB3 flash drive that I use with my PC. I transfered 20GB of movies from it to my desktop in 2 and half minutes. :cool: Too bad there is still a lack of support meaning most of time, getting files from others is still at usb2 speed
 
Ah, now I understand your position. Because it is harder to copy/steal, you think it is dead. Interesting.

People said the same thing of DVD, VHS will never die, DVD is niche-only, blah, blah, blah. And BD has had a faster growth rate/market penetration than DVD at the same age.

I hope you didn't imply what I think you did - especially since "stealing" is a legal concept that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In Switzerland, for example, it's still legal to download copyrighted works for personal use as long as you don't distribute them. So get off your "high" moral US horse or BS about stealing and try to come back with a better argument.

As for Blu-Ray's famed "higher" adoption rate when compared to DVDs, this is just another example of misleading stats...we're talking a WHOLE new migration from a totally different technology (VHS) in much less mature markets in the 80s/90s...to compare that with a world where pretty much everybody owns DVDs is ludicrous to say the least...it's obvious that, for those replacing technology, Blu-Ray may seem as the only way to go...to imply from that that the technology is wildly successful is pathetic.
 
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