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It would take too much work to do that if all the generic PCs in the world were to run OS X. There is a tight integration of the hardware and software and it does account for something. Yes they use the same parts as PCs, but only particular variations of that hardware that they have complete control over.

How do you think Microsoft does it? They certainly don't write drivers for every device on the market; that's the manufacturers job. As far as stability goes, that argument died around 8 years ago with Windows 2000. I'd venture to say that you could compare up times for Windows, OS X, and Linux and see very little difference.

Frankly, the "stability" argument has been busted for a long time. You're referring to Windows 95/98, and if you want to go that route we can start comparing Mac OS 9 to either of those and the comparison wouldn't do Apple any favors stability-wise.
 
It's a nice idea, personally I'd love to see OS X running on my current laptop that's almost entirely identical in specs to a Core Duo version MBP, but it will not happen. They've compiled for Intel only for the next build because the majority of PPC users probably don't see a point to buy OS X 10.5 for G5/G4 equipment and they always said they were transitioning over to Intel, which technically doesn't include continually supporting PPC builds as well.

I also very much doubt it's for mainstream PCs as they have no compiled version for AMD (that we know about), which still has a significant market segment, and the sheer amount of hardware they'd suddenly have to support would be overwhelming for a company far smaller than Microsoft with all their affiliated OEMs.
 
most hardware is pretty generic anyways..its not like it use to be where everything is so different that supporting different hardware is so difficult anymore

also, in order to make sure the user experience is good, just make the requirements for an OSX-ready labeled computer to have generous system requirements.






But.........I mean honestly..if it runs on a mac mini then it'll run on just about anything they release these days........
 
Now I don't actually expect Apple to allow OS X to be able to run on a PC, but I would like to point out that one of the arguments that no one seems to be able to rebuttal is piss poor.

"Where does Apple make most of their money? Hardware. Not software."

Yeah well no ****. The average Mac computer costs at least $1000. The equivalent in software would be upgrading iLife, iWork, and OS X 4 times. Figure in the fact that they only upgrade each of these every 15 months or so and that means you'd have to keep them constantly upgraded for 5 years... longer than the lifespan of an average computer (which is 4 years.)

The iPod and iPhone each also cost a couple hundred dollars and its not even possible to buy software for them.

So obviously their hardware sales are going to be much greater. If you buy the software that means you already own the hardware.

Do you see my point?

Now lets say Apple did chose to allow other PCs to run Mac OS X. Suddenly their software sales are boosted by quite a bit (I'd estimate anywhere between 50% more to 500% more... I really don't know but it seems like a safe range.) while their hardware sales aren't initially changed at all*.

Suddenly they're making more software sales and suddenly software sales is a the more profitable business for them.

*I'm not sure how it would effect hardware in the long run... I would imagine hardware sales go up as people realize that the potential of the software like iChat and iMovie and realize that on a Mac computer they'd be able to do even more with those programs.

Edit: Oh that's good, lol, there's a filter... I was about to edit that word out when I realized this isn't a video game forum and therefor not a good place to swear.
 
ok..lets look at possible hardware configurations here...

there are 2 major graphics card people...ATI and Nvidia. Apple uses both...so this is not an issue. Besides..i believe ATI and NVidia do the drivers anyways so this isn't really an issue.

CPU: dude..cpu is a cpu. There is intel and amd. Intel is already working with apple. AMD would need some slight tweaks..but its basically the same thing.

RAM: apple uses standard ram

Sound Card: apple doesn't use sound cards, but it wouldn't take to much work to make them compatible. THere are only a few companies that still make them and it isn't really a big deal.

MOBO: ok..this is the only piece of hardware that actually can cause some compatibility issues. Solution? Support only the major companies (Asus, intel, etc) or just work to support them all. THey all adhere to standards....

Its not like apple can't do it..it would just take a little work for a lot of profit
 
there are 2 major graphics card people...ATI and Nvidia. Apple uses both...so this is not an issue. Besides..i believe ATI and NVidia do the drivers anyways so this isn't really an issue.

ATI does their own drivers, Apple does the Geforce drivers with source code and technical support from Nvidia.
 
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  • Landmark Event (how can an OSX update be landmark, how is iPhone 3G landmark?)
  • Has to do with OSX
  • Parallel Bridges (hint at parallel)
  • "A landmark event in more ways than one" - again two of *something*
  • The Bridges - why two bridges, bridging gaps, bridging divides? What does this mean
Also why are the bridges divergent and forming a "V"?

I know Apple had been looking at porting it's OS to PC some years ago but it fell silent after the disaster of G.A. It could be entirely possible something is happening...

What would be landmark in todays terms? What would be classified as landmark... Certainly not iPhone 3G and certainly not an OSX update *unless* something landmark was happening with the OS...

Will be interested to see what this all means...
 
Tell me then... What would be the point of buying or owning an Apple computer? Apple destroying their own business... I think not.
 
Ok just got done reading all 11 pages of posts...

There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned and it's purely speculative...

The iPhone SDK has a version of the iPhone for want of a better term 'OS' that is run on the Mac platform under a form of virtualization...

Now if Apple is positioning itself as more of a mobile platform, how hard would it be to port that iPhone virtual OS over to the PC platform and allow "OSX iPhone" developed apps to work on the PC desktop?

It'd be like a model similar to that of Java, that could be a platform OS 'kernal' that could run on any hardware under kernal virtualization... This is the avenue Apple was once investigating back around 1995/1996 before the aquisition of NEXT and subsequent dropping of the kernal 'plug in' type architecture. This would strategically allow for the current Mac OSX platform and hardware to continue but at the same time position Apple strategically to be able to build OS[future] now ready to be able to take over the marketshare... It would also line up with past strategies but in a much more sophisticated and achievable way...

At least if I was the CEO of Apple that is the development path I would be taking in order to protect both current interests while at the same time building the structures to support an eventual flood of the market with mobile platform independent OS solutions...

Just my 2cents...

Apple = THINK DIFFERENT!
 
190857-landmark.jpg


  • Landmark Event (how can an OSX update be landmark, how is iPhone 3G landmark?)
  • Has to do with OSX
  • Parallel Bridges (hint at parallel)
  • "A landmark event in more ways than one" - again two of *something*
  • The Bridges - why two bridges, bridging gaps, bridging divides? What does this mean
Also why are the bridges divergent and forming a "V"?

I know Apple had been looking at porting it's OS to PC some years ago but it fell silent after the disaster of G.A. It could be entirely possible something is happening...

What would be landmark in todays terms? What would be classified as landmark... Certainly not iPhone 3G and certainly not an OSX update *unless* something landmark was happening with the OS...

Will be interested to see what this all means...

People can interpret that however they want, but I can tell you one thing, Mac OS X will always be for macs not pcs (hacked versions aside). The parallel that is being spoke of is between the iphone and mac. Be assured that WWDC will introduce an amazing new way to keep your phone and computer even more united. The new .mac may be this unity. Imagine being on the road, and needing a file from your computer. The iphone can be made into a tool to connect to your computer while away from it. there is no mobile device that can achieve the seamless integration that I speak of, except... The iphone. Imagine your phone being your computer away from your computer. Right now phones are struggling with their identity. They have a lot of feature that help keep you connected and organized, but they can't completely connect and organize your technological life. This can change. This will change!

Edit: And for the V shaped bridges. Imagine two technologies that were once far apart, being completely brought together. Your computer and your phone being brought together.
 
Ok just got done reading all 11 pages of posts...

There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned and it's purely speculative...

The iPhone SDK has a version of the iPhone for want of a better term 'OS' that is run on the Mac platform under a form of virtualization...

Now if Apple is positioning itself as more of a mobile platform, how hard would it be to port that iPhone virtual OS over to the PC platform and allow "OSX iPhone" developed apps to work on the PC desktop?

It'd be like a form of Java, that could be a platform 'kernal' that could run on any hardware under kernal virtualization... This is the avenue Apple was once investigating back around 1995/1996 before the aquisition of NEXT and subsequent dropping of the kernal 'plug in' type architecture. This would strategically allow for the current Mac OSX platform and hardware to continue but at the same time position Apple strategically to be able to build OS[future] now ready to be able to take over the marketshare... It would also line up with past strategies but in a much more sophisticated and achievable way...

At least if I was the CEO of Apple that is the development path I would be taking in order to protect both current interests while at the same time building the structures to support an eventual flood of the market with mobile platform OS solutions...

Just my 2cents...

Apple = THINK DIFFERENT!

Apple = Think different... not think crazy! You are a bit of a radical, my friend.
 
as much as i want os x for pcs i still think apple wont do that, thats like offering the iphone os x for other mobile phones, the only reason they offered itunes and quicktime was so that ppl with pcs can fully access their ipods, and safari, i think it was a little way to let the pc users get a taste of macs, and offcourse, now hopefully ichat will be on windows too, so we can all use video chatting on our fones :)
 
Apple = Think different... not think crazy! You are a bit of a radical, my friend.

Nope, just been an apple fan for a very long time and know the way the biz works and know also what Apple has researched and worked on in the past... I've also been on numerous beta teams, mostly for the other camp and know some of the processes involved in both the development side and as a CEO I also know the corporate/stockholder side of the equation...

Never say never and never put anything beyond Steve and the team at Apple...
 
Tell me then... What would be the point of buying or owning an Apple computer? Apple destroying their own business... I think not.

Actually, I really see it as being possible that it boosts their own business.

People are able to see options all over the OS that were made for Apple's hardware... things like iChat... which most of them can't use because they don't have a computer with a mic/camera built in and they aren't computer savvy enough to figure out how to install one themselves.

So while Apple claims to be supporting PCs... and they are... the computers are still ass ugly and don't have the all in one connivance of an iMac or the easy to upgradeness of the Mac Pro. (I guess the Mac Mini will be in trouble because it doesn't really offer anything special a PC won't in a world where PCs run Mac OS X... but then there's already lots of rumors that it's going to be discontinued too.)

So... not only do I think it will boost software sales, but in the long run it will boost hardware sells too.
 
Tell me then... What would be the point of buying or owning an Apple computer?
The point?! As in what would be the point of buying a premium car like Audi or BMW when you can buy a Saturn? Come to think of it why buy a Saturn when you can drive a rusty Gremlin or Pacer? Yeah, why do brands like Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo and Saab sell so much as a single car when there are cheaper alternatives?

Because these cars are associated with status, luxury and quality, and people who can afford them will buy them. People who can't afford them will dream of them at night.

When Honda created the Acura brand people said "pffffft uhhhh yah right AS IF someone would pay more for a stupid Honda with extra mayo on". Well, I guess Honda got the last laugh because now we have Nissan's Infiniti and Toyota's Lexus too.

Apple has the strongest brand loyalty of all computer manufacturers and that's not going to change just because Dell or whoever were to offer machines with OS X installed. Apple fans would rather die than be caught with a Dell laptop, not only because of its association with Windows but because it's a Dell.

There will always be people who will be willing to pay to get the real deal, the premium machine with the sleek design, the aluminium enclosure, the backlit keys and the big Apple logo, rather than have some plastic brick from Dell.

No, the idea here is to reach out with OS X to those who wouldn't buy an Apple computer anyway because they can't afford one or don't think it's worth the premium even though they would prefer OS X. Let's say you're starting up a small business and you're buying 50 laptops for your employees. Let's say it's a tossup between OS X or Windows, you could go either way. You find that 50 MacBooks will set you back $54,950. Then you take a look at Dell's Vostro series for small businesses and discover that 50 of those with the same specs as the MacBooks will set you back only $26,450. You're going to take the Vostro route, period. So which of these options is better for Apple in the long run? A) The 50 Vostros ship with Vista and Office installed. B) The 50 Vostros ship with OS X and iWork installed.

Yes, Apple would lose some hardware sales due to cheapskates, but OS X getting a foothold in places where it didn't stand a chance before will make up for it and then some.

as much as i want os x for pcs i still think apple wont do that, thats like offering the iphone os x for other mobile phones
...which would be a giant billboard for the real iPhone because no cellphone manufacturer has come close to offering a touchscreen that good. Go out and try any phone, any GPS unit and see if it will register a light touch of a fingertip. Nope, you need a stylus and sometimes you have to press 2 or 3 times to make it stick. I recently bought a top-of-the-line Navigon 8110, brushed stainless steel with all the bells and whistles and then some. But the touchscreen turned out to be more of a "punchscreen"; being accustomed to my iPod Touch, suddenly all these devices feel like something out of the 1980's.

How do you think Microsoft does it? They certainly don't write drivers for every device on the market; that's the manufacturers job. As far as stability goes, that argument died around 8 years ago with Windows 2000. I'd venture to say that you could compare up times for Windows, OS X, and Linux and see very little difference.

Frankly, the "stability" argument has been busted for a long time. You're referring to Windows 95/98, and if you want to go that route we can start comparing Mac OS 9 to either of those and the comparison wouldn't do Apple any favors stability-wise.
I pretty much agree, though you gotta admit the transition to Vista was a little shaky. Mostly due to the fact that Vista introduced a whole new driver model which would eventually result in improved stability (no more BSoD) once all hardware drivers had been rewritten, but it took a while to get there -- many initial releases included with Vista were crap. But it's very stable now and I barely ever reboot my PCs, I just put them in hybrid sleep mode. The one I'm typing on right now hasn't been rebooted for over a month. The same can certainly not be said about my iMac...

But I think it's important to acknowledge that Microsoft fessed up to stability issues long ago and have built a lot of stuff into Windows to help address these problems. They've had System Restore for many years, they've had detailed error reporting etc, and the "Problem Reports and Solutions" logger built into Vista is quite remarkable. OS X on the other hand basically refuses to acknowledge that problems are even on the map, so when a Mac crashes it does so in classic Win95/98 style with a brief and cryptic error message and that's that, and if you run into major issues it's back to the old Neanderthal method, "archive/reinstall". Apple has some serious pride issues to get over.
 
Maybe, Maybe not

This one is pretty hard to be sure of.

Firstly, it could be no. It would just seem silly for Apple to release the OS for PC and then let their hardware sales plummet. You can buy the same amount of hardware as there is in a mac for way less if you go the PC way, so it would be foolish to let them loose all that money on it.

Then again,

An absolutley HUGE proportion of people use PCs, and in recent times dissatisfaction with Microsoft's products has been on the rise. WHile Linux is a good alternative, many people either aren't aware of it or are too scared to switch to something that is free/developed by a non profit organisation, etc.

If Apple were to release an operating system alternative to Vista, that (even if stripped down) is safer, more secure and easier to use than Vista, then Apple could have a potential of hundreds of millions of customers at their door. The only thing which currently stops so many people from switching to Mac OS X is the hardware. Familiarity with Apple and the success of their products is already out there. They just don't want to have to splash a little bit more out on new hardware. I would still buy a Mac anyway :)

Oh well, the conference is on tomorrow, so we'll find out soon enough.
 
Tell me then... What would be the point of buying or owning an Apple computer? Apple destroying their own business... I think not.

The Point is that Apple makes unique (not better or worse) designs. If you want something different and stylish, you come to Apple.

So... not only do I think it will boost software sales, but in the long run it will boost hardware sells too.

I agree. The more the Mac OS is accepted, the more sales potential there is for Apple. While Apple IS the entire Mac platform, they have to be everything to everybody and that isn't possible without a huge product lineup, the computer industry is just too diverse. Not everyone wants or needs the same thing. Do will continuously want questions about why Apple doesn't have a consumer tower line, or 15" and 17" consumer Macbooks, or a real entry level desktop instead of the disaster that is the Mini? Or do we want to let the companies that specialize in those things continue to build them while Apple continues to build great products in their premium niches while raking in cash that formerly belonged to redmond.
 
Yes, Apple would lose some hardware sales due to cheapskates, but OS X getting a foothold in places where it didn't stand a chance before will make up for it and then some.

And a few places where Apple doesn't choose to compete. I wouldn't call someone who things buying a $2300+workstation to get the capabilities of a desktop is a little insane exactly a cheapskate.
 
...so when a Mac crashes it does so in classic Win95/98 style with a brief and cryptic error message and that's that, and if you run into major issues it's back to the old Neanderthal method, "archive/reinstall". Apple has some serious pride issues to get over.

Are you actually serious? What cryptic error message have you seen on a Mac??? "You need to restart your computer" is about as cryptic as they usually get and thats a complete kernel panic. Although, i suppose if "[Application] has unexpectedly quit" is too hard for one to understand then maybe computers aren't really something they should be using at all.

With that said, I don't think Apple has "programmed" a certain way for their apps to crash just to hide what's going on in order to piss you off. It just happens to be that Mac OS X doesn't make a big scene like Windows does/did when an application crashes because thats how its foundation works, and it has also had a "Report" button to send crash logs to Apple for quite awhile now.

so i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. i enjoyed most of your post but that last paragraph made you look a little bit ignorant.
 
..'If Apple were to release an operating system alternative to Vista, that (even if stripped down) is safer, more secure and easier to use than Vista, then Apple could have a potential of hundreds of millions of customers at their door.'..

Woah there, Apple could not develop that entirely. I'm not a Microsoft advocate, but as you've said yourself, Microsoft have hundreds of millions of customers, and a very large company. That equates to one of the most sophisticated Security R&D platforms in existence.

Whilst I would be the first to admit the GUI for Vista is in no way easy to use, it's one of the most secure OS's there is based on the huge amount of people that use it (ergo a huge amount of people hacking it and posting vulnerabilities to the developers) and the huge amount of people and resources Microsoft have.

Apple in comparison is perceived to be more secure, but this is because of their significantly smaller user base, rather than actually having an OS go through what Windows releases go through.

I would love to see OS X on other computers than Macs, but that makes no business sense.
 
There gaps in the apple system that need to be filled like.

A $700 to $2200 desktop system with desktop parts and 1 cpu.

The mini is over priced for it's hardware and should be at $500 with 2gb of ram and a DVD / RW

The 1 cpu mac pro starts at $2300 with sever parts and 2gb of ram with a low end video card.

A $1500 or less laptop with a real video card.

A laptop under $1900 with a 15" or bigger screen.

A AIO with a good screen for pro use. In The $1200 to $2200 range.

Apple needs to fill the gaps and that will take away some of people who want os x on all pc's.
 
There gaps in the apple system that need to be filled like.

A $700 to $2200 desktop system with desktop parts and 1 cpu.

The mini is over priced for it's hardware and should be at $500 with 2gb of ram and a DVD / RW

The 1 cpu mac pro starts at $2300 with sever parts and 2gb of ram with a low end video card.

A $1500 or less laptop with a real video card.

A laptop under $1900 with a 15" or bigger screen.

A AIO with a good screen for pro use. In The $1200 to $2200 range.

Apple needs to fill the gaps and that will take away some of people who want os x on all pc's.

If Apple were a computer company, then yes, it should do those things.

But it is not. Apple is a software and computer form factor company. No computer companies make their own chips or components, they just assemble them in a box and ship them out.

So Apple redefines the form and then attaches a unique software product. This allows them to protect high margins. If they decided to hit every market niche, they'd increase market share while devastating their margins.

So it won't happen.
 
Edit: And for the V shaped bridges. Imagine two technologies that were once far apart, being completely brought together. Your computer and your phone being brought together.

I do not agree.

For one, the bridges form a V..yes, but the V opens up as it heads into the city. IMO the city symbolizes progress and the future. If your comment about the 2 technologies being brought together, it would make more sense if the bridge was coming together towards the city.

It might be nothing, but it might also be everything.

I think that the landmark does have to do with this "bridges in the shape of a V splitting up" dealio, but I can't think of what. :(
 
so, what you think about next?
two dridges as two OS variants??
2 platforms for select hardware platform..
a. OS X for Apple (Mac OS X)
b. OS X for PC (OS X)

??

if your choise MacBook - 4u - > Mac OS X Leo
if our choice PC platform -> OS X Leo.....
2ways, 2 platforms

and as variant if PC -> its OS X (demo version of Mac OS X for PC, why?? to living any time at PC on OS X and buying Apple mark hardware with fullest Maoc OS)....
 
For the bridge picture, I think it's for the international iPhone. It's finally crossing seas.
 
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