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I'm rooting for Thinkpads, yay! Goo TP!!

From Apples point of view every hardware sale that would run OS X, but is not an Apple product would be a lost sale for Apple. Want to run OS X? Buy Apple, want Vista/XP talk to everybody else.

Makes absolutely no sense for Apple to license OS X. They make much more revenue selling Mac's then they would selling OS licenses. Not going to happen.
 
From Apples point of view every hardware sale that would run OS X, but is not an Apple product would be a lost sale for Apple. Want to run OS X? Buy Apple, want Vista/XP talk to everybody else.
Never heard of a hackintosh? Or Linux? Oh, and Thinkpads are the supreme ruler of hardy notebooks, lest we forget.
Apple used to be in the same league, but not even the sale of the TP to Lenovo made Thinkpads' quality fall.
The macs, on the other hand …


Makes absolutely no sense for Apple to license OS X. They make much more review selling Mac's then they would selling OS licenses. Not going to happen.

I'm not saying it makes sense, but if they were going to license it, I would hope it would go to Lenovo.
 
If it happened it'd be too little, too late

There are many Mac owners who are very pleased with Macintosh hardware.

I wasn't one of them. I found every machine I used unreliable, and Apple's keyboards and mice woefully substandard. And, worst of all, this manifested itself most on their laptops. I cannot type on my Powerbook at any speed. And the trackpad is the mouse-replacement from hell.

I switched back to GNU/Linux around three years ago, buying a Thinkpad T60 and enjoying the benefits of an open operating system while suffering the geek-lead UI and attitudes towards software reliability and integration.

But then came Ubuntu. It "just worked". I missed having menus at the top of the screen as with Mac OS X, and I would prefer applications to be self-contained folders visible on the filesystem rather than the abomination that is packages, but Ubuntu is, after Mac OS X, clearly the second best desktop operating system in the world. Once installed and set up correctly, it is easier to use than Windows and comes a close second to OS X. To an advanced user it could even be said to be a little more efficient. In some areas, ironically related to the package management system, it's even just a little bit better.

And so we're talking about the vague possibility that at some point in the distant future Apple might possibly consider thinking about organizing some kind of meeting where an item on the agenda may allude to the concept of perhaps running Mac OS X on a machine that isn't made by Apple.

But it will not be open like Ubuntu. It will require regular payment of $130 if you don't want Apple's updates to stop working. If there's a problem, neither you nor a community of the smartest people in the world will be able to do anything about it, you'll have to live with Apple's decisions. And the "best case" scenario has it that Apple sells Mac OS X to end users just as Microsoft does Windows, but the "best case" is quite possibly not even on the agenda, with Apple doing a deal with Dell and leaving Lenovo in the cold, or vice-versa, or possibly worse.

It's surprising how much better Free Software operating systems like Ubuntu are today in comparison with the mainstream proprietary systems. There's no question in my mind that anyone spending money on Vista or XP for any purpose other than to retain compatibility with a handful of proprietary applications they can't replace is doing themselves no favours whatsoever. Is Ubuntu better than Mac OS X? In some areas, yes it is. In others, it falls short.

For me, I've made my choice. Apple is going to have to come up with something beyond compelling for me to consider switching back. And yes, they're going to have to let me choose my own hardware. This doesn't sound like enough.
 
Theoretically I'd like to use Linux. I like Firefox, and use open source software where I can. Open Office though just isn't there for me. I mean...it's fantastic for the price, but as long as I can run an old version of Office...

I've never had any real luck with Linux either. I tried a version of Ubuntu a while back in a virtual machine, but couldn't even get it to install. And for me there would just be so many compromises as far as what programs I run versus Windows.

I have a mixed feeling about Apple's hardware right now. I like how it looks, of course, and a lot of decisions regarding it. But I hate it's closed nature, stuff like sealed hard drives, parts that aren't upgradeable, etc. that are (thankfully) really rare outside of Apple. Ditto for their keyboards and mice. Some over the years have been fantastic. The old Apple Desktop Bus keyboard was fantastic. One of the beset over. But then you've got stuff like the "puck" mouse, or the current "desktop" keyboard with those flat keys that are just atrocious, and you wonder what on earth they were thinking. They seem to be completely form over function. Actually the lack of hardware controls on the iPod touch is that way too. Sacrifice usability for a certain look.
 
Makes absolutely no sense for Apple to license OS X. They make much more revenue selling Mac's then they would selling OS licenses. Not going to happen.

Here's a thought, it's actually possible to do both. The computer world is branched far beyond the black and white consumer/professional distinction.
 
Here's a thought, it's actually possible to do both. The computer world is branched far beyond the black and white consumer/professional distinction.

Eh... sure they could do both, but they'd be eating into sales of their Macs. It could actually kill them as a hardware vendor.
 
really?

But then came Ubuntu. It "just worked". I missed having menus at the top of the screen as with Mac OS X, and I would prefer applications to be self-contained folders visible on the filesystem rather than the abomination that is packages, but Ubuntu is, after Mac OS X, clearly the second best desktop operating system in the world. Once installed and set up correctly, it is easier to use than Windows and comes a close second to OS X. To an advanced user it could even be said to be a little more efficient. In some areas, ironically related to the package management system, it's even just a little bit better.

Really? It "just worked"? Come on, most computer users don't even know what Ubuntu is.

And so we're talking about the vague possibility that at some point in the distant future Apple might possibly consider thinking about organizing some kind of meeting where an item on the agenda may allude to the concept of perhaps running Mac OS X on a machine that isn't made by Apple.

Never going to happen. Ever.

But it will not be open like Ubuntu. It will require regular payment of $130 if you don't want Apple's updates to stop working. If there's a problem, neither you nor a community of the smartest people in the world will be able to do anything about it, you'll have to live with Apple's decisions. And the "best case" scenario has it that Apple sells Mac OS X to end users just as Microsoft does Windows, but the "best case" is quite possibly not even on the agenda, with Apple doing a deal with Dell and leaving Lenovo in the cold, or vice-versa, or possibly worse.

I have two computers running Tiger. I didn't make the regular $130 payment and they didn't stop working. Did I just get lucky?

It's surprising how much better Free Software operating systems like Ubuntu are today in comparison with the mainstream proprietary systems. There's no question in my mind that anyone spending money on Vista or XP for any purpose other than to retain compatibility with a handful of proprietary applications they can't replace is doing themselves no favours whatsoever. Is Ubuntu better than Mac OS X? In some areas, yes it is. In others, it falls short.

Dude, nothing is free. How are the developers of Ubuntu earning a living? You think they can program food, too? Sure, we're not paying directly, but someone is footing the bill.

For me, I've made my choice. Apple is going to have to come up with something beyond compelling for me to consider switching back. And yes, they're going to have to let me choose my own hardware. This doesn't sound like enough.

You're obviously more of a computer geek than most, and that's cool, but Apple doesn't market to you. Your kind is simply a niche audience that is very, very picky and yet also very loyal. The reward isn't worth the price.
 
Really? It "just worked"? Come on, most computer users don't even know what Ubuntu is.

I gave copies of Ubuntu to my town's library and they now use it on most of their computers. They use it to index their books and for everyday office/internet cafe use. I also handed out craploads of Ubuntu CDs before I graduated high school. I assure you, MANY regular folk are aware of Ubuntu, ohhai, doesn't Dell offer Ubuntu on their computers too?

There are tons of people like me, spreading the good ol' word of Unix based operating systems.
 
Eh... sure they could do both, but they'd be eating into sales of their Macs. It could actually kill them as a hardware vendor.

How exactly? Did HP starting premium lifestyle computers? Have the teenagers who now make up Apple's base started to think Dell is cool? The ones that are going to bail are the prosumers that Apple already kicked to the curb.
 
How exactly? Did HP starting premium lifestyle computers? Have the teenagers who now make up Apple's base started to think Dell is cool? The ones that are going to bail are the prosumers that Apple already kicked to the curb.

Right now if you want OS X you're forced to buy a Mac-if you're not anymore, all the people buying Macs just for the OS may not buy them anymore. That won't be the whole market, but it *could* seriously hurt Apple's ability to compete.
 
I gave copies of Ubuntu to my town's library and they now use it on most of their computers. They use it to index their books and for everyday office/internet cafe use. I also handed out craploads of Ubuntu CDs before I graduated high school. I assure you, MANY regular folk are aware of Ubuntu, ohhai, doesn't Dell offer Ubuntu on their computers too?

There are tons of people like me, spreading the good ol' word of Unix based operating systems.

Mac is UNIX based, too.

But seriously, someone has to pay for everything. Ubuntu won't be able to keep up.
 
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