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Can they even do that? Distribute multi-platform free software and create a huge reliance on it, and then platform lock it.
Of course they can.

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Yes Forstall was responsible but firing the software guy for "Thinking Different" was not the answer, Forstall should have been given time and resources to rectify his mistake, Rom was not built in a day. In my opinion Forstall should have stayed and improvised on Apple Maps, Apple cannot/should not depend on Google for Maps, Google might pull the maps app nay day as iOS is in competition with Android. Just my 2 cents.
Forstall wasn't fired over Maps, it was also his lack of being able to cooperate with the other VPs. Jony and Craig apparently could not stand to be around him.
 
I hope they don't get rid of Maps. I haven't used Google Maps since iOS 5 and it and it can only get better from here. I've used it for the past two years and I haven't had any major issues in my area.
 
OMG. Apple is doomed all because of maps fiasco.:p

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The 1 to 7 split is not adjusted until the market opens. Google having their own fun.

No, but its an embarrassing failure that is very un-apple like. If they continue to produce products that fail to live up to people's expectations, people will go elsewhere
 
Who cares? We got so much new stuff at WWDC I didn't even notice the lack of maps updates.

It works fine for me, and I always keep Google maps installed as a backup.
 
Saw a google maps car in my city again last week or week before. They've already mapped it but are still out doing it again and again. Don't see any apple cars or any other company. Google have it down. They own mapping. Apple if it wants to be number 1 needs to do what google is doing ie throw some money at the problem. Complaining about developers leaving when you have so much money makes you look incompetent and lost.

Well, Apple don't have maps, they have an app that displays TomToms maps(or was it garmin?), so you will never see an Apple car unless Apple decides to make their own maps
 
Apple's track record for Maps is extremely poor and is very un-apple like. At this stage, they would be better off killing the project and going with another company (other then google since they don't want that).

They're already going "with another company" - the information for different countries came from plenty of independent sources. That's why it's so haphazard outside the US, with wildly different degrees of completeness, accuracy etc. depending on the region. Even worse, some countries' data was sourced from Waze - and that's no longer in Apple's reach.


On a related note, the fact that they passed on buying Waze for 1 billion but spent 3 billion on Beats absolutely bewilders me, to the point that I seriously question Cook's competence - Waze has essentially complete mapping and POI information for plenty of non-1st world countries that is extremely difficult to get otherwise, due to the crowdsourced nature of this app.
 
Wow, that's a weird "mistake" by Google.

Nothing to do with google. It's just the way nasdaq works... the clue is in here some where.... Where could it be?!?!

"Pre-Market : 92.45 Down 553.12 (85.68%) 5:47AM EDT - Nasdaq Real Time Price"
 
...and this is a big deal because?

Last I checked, there were several alternative solutions in the App Store.
 
Wait a minute... those of you who do not follow actual politics, here is an explanation. Both Apple and Google are big companies and the presence of the mapping app is known by the installed user base i.e. the number of iOS users who have Apple/Google maps installed. A lot of users do not use it but these apps come by default.

Earlier when Apple was shipping Google Maps by default, the install base of google maps was directly proportional to number of iOS devices sold - no matter if people used the app or not.

But after introduction of Apple Maps, the install base of Apple Maps became proportional to number of iOS devices sold. Now since a lot of users do not use maps across the globe, they wont be installing google maps per se. Additionally casual users can happily rely on Apple Maps.

And hence Apple Maps user base is increasing with sales of iOS devices. Once it hits a number, that apple is seeking for, Apple will definitely come out with great features - enough to outnumber Google Maps.
 
WWDC had lot of awesome stuff. I did not even realised about absence of Maps update till I read this article. Now lot of arguments and Apple bashing will be coming soon on this article.
 
OMG. Apple is doomed all because of maps fiasco.:p

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The 1 to 7 split is not adjusted until the market opens. Google having their own fun.

Man, that is actually kind of dangerous. That could cause a real panic in the market, especially with how fast information moves nowadays and with people reacting to poorly-researched market reports. Sure, it'll get cleared up, but how much damage could be done before that happens?
 
WWDC had lot of awesome stuff. I did not even realised about absence of Maps update till I read this article. Now lot of arguments and Apple bashing will be coming soon on this article.

The bashing is fully deserved because Apple Maps is a piece of crap. It might work quite well in the US but in the UK it's still crap. It should be noted that it's improved over the last 12 months, which is now why I call it a piece of crap rather than a fresh stinking turd.

For over 6 months Apple Maps thought my home town was over 320 miles from where it actually is and I live in one of the largest towns in the country! Apple Maps is inexcusably bad. Apple are easily 5-10 years behind Google with their development. Google keeps pulling further and further ahead with each new release which makes Apple Maps completely redundant on my devices.
 
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TechCrunch doesn't strike me as the most in-the-know tech site out there. I'd take this with a grain of salt. Apple has been acquiring mapping companies up the wazoo.
 
What a joke. Absolute joke. "Working non-stop to fix this" – it appears this hasn't happened. Everyone knows other mapping services are superior in *most* aspects to Apple maps. Why Apple can't just swallow its damn pride and use other companies' services is beyond me.

Its the elephant in the room. I hope they completely overhaul and massively improve by iOS 9, or be done with it, and move to another provider.

Maps works extremely well in my corner of the world -- Los Angeles. And it's much improved with new maps, etc. Apple was not going to get the turn-by-turn from Google, at the same time it was available in Android. So there was nothing to do but to develop one's own version. YOU can use Google Maps, or any number of other mapping services. So why do you care so much?
 
Saw a google maps car in my city again last week or week before. They've already mapped it but are still out doing it again and again. Don't see any apple cars or any other company. Google have it down. They own mapping. Apple if it wants to be number 1 needs to do what google is doing ie throw some money at the problem. Complaining about developers leaving when you have so much money makes you look incompetent and lost.

You know you don't 'map' using a car don't you?

Street view which is what you are talking about. It is very nice to use now and again. but it's not essential in anyway to find where you are going is it.

And Apple have said nothing of the kind... 'A report said' - 'The source said' is just hearsay and guess what Macrumors!

The issues with Maps have nothing to do with the App in iOS. that works fine. The issue is the data and it's handling on the servers. The back end stuff they are fixing constantly

6 Months ago they still didn't have exact mapping in Brighton, UK. That has not appeared without an app update.

The main problem is context searching. If you type LONDON, you get a map of london. Then KINGSTON... you'd think you'd get Kingston in London... but you get Kingston, Jamaica. Which I am guessing means it searches based on Importance of the Town etc instead of an intelligent local search.

Even if you search for Kingston UK - you don't get the option of the town directly. you get 4 Businesses called Kingston in the London Area. ( why only 4 even ) You have to be specific and put in KINGSTON UPON THAMES and then it finds it.

Just doing a test for actually finding places seem to have got a lot better in the past few months. It even finds a tiny little sandwich shop round the corner that isn't on google even.

But the one thing that bug me intensely in London at least is the Tube and Rail icons are not the standard UK icons like you get on google etc. You have a purple picture with a train for overground and ANOTHER Purple one with a train wearing a hat ( tunnel ) for the Subway/Underground/metro/Tube etc. Make them a different colour at least!

But the actual app is way faster than google because of the better and clearer vector mapping and the Turn by turn is fine because of Tom Tom. And I genuinely find the overhead 3d building view more useful in london than street view as you have context of all the crazy junctions and roads and it's a lot easier to find a building as a landmark to head to.
 
Well, Apple don't have maps, they have an app that displays TomToms maps(or was it garmin?), so you will never see an Apple car unless Apple decides to make their own maps

Phil stood on stage and claimed they did all of their own cartography. Only themselves to blame.
 
We've had numerous stories this year on issues with iTunes (and of course Apple having to spend $3B on Beats). Now maps. Maybe we need to question if Eddy Cue is up to the task for all the responsibilities he has. I guess we'll really find out this fall when OSX and iOS hit. If the new iCloud features don't "just work" Apple will have a lot of unhappy customers.
 
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