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It works fine for me, and I always keep Google maps installed as a backup.
For too many others, it does not work fine and that's the issue they're unable to increase the accuracy of the product never mind update it with new features.
 
YOU can use Google Maps, or any number of other mapping services. So why do you care so much?

You can use other mapping services but system integration is tied to the Apple Maps app. Having the option to chose your default mapping service would help those who live in areas of the world where Apple Maps isn't up to scratch.
 
Apple are easily 5-10 years behind Google with their development. Google keeps pulling further and further ahead with each new release which makes Apple Maps completely redundant on my devices.

Maybe a year or so at the moment and Googles new maps is plain horrible to use in a browser.

I don't understand why people keep 'saying with each version or release' It's all just server data they are both updating now. Constantly.

And the turn by turn on Apple is way more consistent than googles. I've done over 5000 miles in the past 2 months around europe and been using both. But it's not so good at local information yet.

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The person responsible for new iOS icons should be fired as well.

That's entirely down to taste. Bet you like Rolex Watches and Fast and the furious Cars?
 
You can use other mapping services but system integration is tied to the Apple Maps app. Having the option to chose your default mapping service would help those who live in areas of the world where Apple Maps isn't up to scratch.

You have nailed it. Its the system integration with Apple maps that makes the experience less than satisfactory. For those in the states, in areas where maps works, its probably a good experience, in Europe, /facepalm
 
Craig Federighi mentioned no improvements to Maps aside from enhanced maps in China and the addition of vector-based mapping.

Apple Maps is already vector-based which is one of its major advantages over Google Maps.

Craig's slide was talking purely about China. The TechCrunch article actually reads, "Apple gave a quick line to the news that it now offers vector maps and other improvements in China"

Just because the new stuff coming in Apple Maps didn't make the WWDC cutoff doesn't mean we have to wait until iOS9.

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Maybe a year or so at the moment and Googles new maps is plain horrible to use in a browser.

I don't understand why people keep 'saying with each version or release' It's all just server data they are both updating now. Constantly.

No ways its a year behind. The same was said when Apple maps launched, and I can honesty say that Apple maps is still "years" behind Google maps.

If you don't have the data to put in the server.... its not the servers fault ;) And there lies Apple problem, Google is years and years ahead in terms of collecting that data, ever seen a Apple car driving around the streets?
 
Quit trying to make Apple maps happen. It's not going to happen.

Just allow us to open Google Maps as our default map/nav app when we click on an address/navigate.

Also, bring back push Google email. I don't know whose fault it was, but these guys need to make it happen.
 
I'll look at Apple maps again when they have Street View and when they do public transport options as well as Google do.
 
Can they even do that? Distribute multi-platform free software and create a huge reliance on it, and then platform lock it.
They can cripple it like they were before Apple Maps. Google maps still would not have turn by turn if Apple didn't force them by competition. It was not in Googles plans to include it. That's why it took so long to produce a solution after Apple provided one. Even though their mobile maps learned a lot from Apple they kept features only for Android.
 
The bashing is fully deserved because Apple Maps is a piece of crap. It might work quite well in the US but in the UK it's still a crap. It should be noted that it's improved over the last 12 months, which is now why I call it a piece of crap rather than a fresh stinking turd.

For over 6 months, Apple Maps though my home town was over 320 miles from where it actually is and I live in one of the largest towns in the country! Apple Maps is inexcusably bad. Apple are easily 5-10 years behind Google with their development. Google keeps pulling further and further ahead with each new release which makes Apple Maps completely redundant on my devices.
I was trying to be diplomatic in my post but this is what I actually think. I am in the UK too.

I wish I could delete the Apple Map app to free up some space but I have to drag it to a special bin folder where it stays and can be easily ignored.
 
Google is years and years ahead in terms of collecting that data, ever seen a Apple car driving around the streets?

The google cars are collecting Streetview photography (and illegally scanning wifi). Now, considering that Apple don't have Streetview, you can sorta see why there are no Apple cars.

Have you ever seen a Google iPhone? No, because they are years behind making iPhones (this is essentially the same argument that you bought to the table).
 
Quit trying to make Apple maps happen. It's not going to happen.

Just allow us to open Google Maps as our default map/nav app when we click on an address/navigate.

Also, bring back push Google email. I don't know whose fault it was, but these guys need to make it happen.
The big draw for mapping is that you can control advertising using location, directions, eg combine search/directions with restaurants stops etc. It's hugely valuable which is why Google has invested so much.
 
Yes Forstall was responsible but firing the software guy for "Thinking Different" was not the answer, Forstall should have been given time and resources to rectify his mistake, Rom was not built in a day. In my opinion Forstall should have stayed and improvised on Apple Maps, Apple cannot/should not depend on Google for Maps, Google might pull the maps app nay day as iOS is in competition with Android. Just my 2 cents.

I doubt Forstall was fired just because of maps. I think it was mostly because he was an impediment to collaboration. Look at all the improvements coming to iOS and OSX. Those are all happening after he left, after Tim Cook consolidated iOS and OSX engineering under one leader. Plus it seems that he and Jony Ive get a long quiet well, which certainly wasn't the case with Forstall. Craig Federighi was a rock star at WWDC. Do an Instagram search and you'll see tons of 'selfies' he (and Ive) took with attendees. I can't remember a WWDC where Apple showed developers this much love. Cook wanted to move Apple forward, to free it from 'what would Steve do' constraints and he needed to let Forstall go to be able to do that.
 
The google cars are collecting Streetview photography (and illegally scanning wifi). Now, considering that Apple don't have Streetview, you can sorta see why there are no Apple cars.

Have you ever seen a Google iPhone? No, because they are years behind making iPhones (this is essentially the same argument that you bought to the table).
I would imagine the data collected is being used in maps, updating one way streets, new roads etc. Google makes Android, that's it's focus, its not for me but they have many fans. Apple Maps is garbage, its an embarrassment to the company and damages the brand.
 
Well, Apple don't have maps, they have an app that displays TomToms maps(or was it garmin?), so you will never see an Apple car unless Apple decides to make their own maps

Was just making a point how google are all over making their maps the best they can. Going above and beyond.
 
I use it for turn-by-turn. Works flawlessly with clean UI. I like it.

Flawlessly? It's an abomination. It takes forever to lock on and recalculate and it's never clear when to take a turn. It also lags behind considerably.

It might be different on the 5s but my exerience with Maps as turn by turn satnav is horrible. I prefer my Garmin with lane assists. It also actually zooms in when you're about to take a turn and it doesn't lag behind.
 
I would like to see Apple fix maps outside the US, for where I am it's crap. Maps as an app has some advantages over Google's offering, but Map's points of interest where I am are inaccurate and out of date. Moreover, they have not fixed many of the POI errors I and others in my town have reported. Thus, I think Apple needs to focus on the quality of their geographic database, not the app itself. Just using using data from companies with poor databases won't help. Apple needs to invest in the human and technical resources to provide Maps with high quality information. If Google can do it, why can't Apple do it better? A good start would be to actually use the feedback about POI errors from users....

Instead, Apple chooses to buy a headphone company for billions of dollars.
 
You know you don't 'map' using a car don't you?

Street view which is what you are talking about. It is very nice to use now and again. but it's not essential in anyway to find where you are going is it.

And Apple have said nothing of the kind... 'A report said' - 'The source said' is just hearsay and guess what Macrumors!

The issues with Maps have nothing to do with the App in iOS. that works fine. The issue is the data and it's handling on the servers. The back end stuff they are fixing constantly

6 Months ago they still didn't have exact mapping in Brighton, UK. That has not appeared without an app update.

The main problem is context searching. If you type LONDON, you get a map of london. Then KINGSTON... you'd think you'd get Kingston in London... but you get Kingston, Jamaica. Which I am guessing means it searches based on Importance of the Town etc instead of an intelligent local search.

Even if you search for Kingston UK - you don't get the option of the town directly. you get 4 Businesses called Kingston in the London Area. ( why only 4 even ) You have to be specific and put in KINGSTON UPON THAMES and then it finds it.

Just doing a test for actually finding places seem to have got a lot better in the past few months. It even finds a tiny little sandwich shop round the corner that isn't on google even.

But the one thing that bug me intensely in London at least is the Tube and Rail icons are not the standard UK icons like you get on google etc. You have a purple picture with a train for overground and ANOTHER Purple one with a train wearing a hat ( tunnel ) for the Subway/Underground/metro/Tube etc. Make them a different colour at least!

But the actual app is way faster than google because of the better and clearer vector mapping and the Turn by turn is fine because of Tom Tom. And I genuinely find the overhead 3d building view more useful in london than street view as you have context of all the crazy junctions and roads and it's a lot easier to find a building as a landmark to head to.


Was just making a point how google are all over making their maps the best they can. Apple are so far behind. Money could close the gap but apple seem frugal. Preferring to spent 3 billion on beats headphones company.
 
For the sake of being free of google I have relied on iMaps since it came out (i have removed all google apps from all devices, and have switched my search engine to yahoo). It could use improvements especially public transportation, but for my use, it has gotten the job done and I really have no major complaints.

Whatever the situation I hope Apple gets things sorted out. The announcement last week shows that they are moving in the right direction and I feel good about what I will experience with the next upgrade. Go Apple.
 
I have always suspected internal issues at apple, but I wonder how bad is it. Apple is short on staff and that is leading to obvious stress.

The tough part about that is they sure don't act like that. Of my 3 years at my university, some Apple reps came by for the very first time during winter. They weren't terribly enthusiastic either, only looking for very specific grad students that did opengl/computer graphics related projects. You could speak to the 'best of the best' line that most companies do, but it didn't even seem like they cared.
 
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