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Im not experiancing any other lag except for on Safari, like typing here at the moment is slightly laggy occasionally. And Facebook (scrolling etc.)

Everything else on my rMBP appears ok...
 
So your basically saying that the websites that are laggy is their fault? E.g. The lag on Facebook, is their websites fault? And there is no problem at all with our rMBP's?

if all websites were laggy I would say it is the fault of the computer....if only one is bad...then yes, it is their fault for sloppy code.
 
The ONLY time I notice lag is on Facebook, especially since the ML upgrade! There was no lag on FB under Lion !!

Safari is also acting weird with lag while typing and text disappearing....

Sure hope 10.8.2 fix this as I love this laptop otherwise!!!
 
Not all websites are laggy....

As I have said like 5 times now, in this text box, typing can be slightly laggy, and Facebook is. Scrolling on MacRumors, Google etc. is fine...

I just want to know if this is a HARDWARE problem that CANNOT be fixed. If it is a problem with my rMBP I will RETURN it. If it can be fixed and it's not just a problem with my rMBP, I can wait for it to be fixed.
 
I just downloaded Chrome to see any differences.

After you let the page load, it doesn't seem to have any lag whatsoever on facebook? And I can't actually see any lag while typing on here aswell...

Does this confirm that is is a software issue and not a hardware issue? If thats the case then this will be a relief, except for I want to use Safari, not Chrome :(
 
should safari be updated to work like chrome?

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Chrome appears to only be slightly laggy at times.
 
fecesbook has been lagging for me in over 4 months now (firefox with 17" 2007 mbp), i get the rainbow beach ball of death once ever other 4 minutes.:eek:
 
So basically I should just return this as the rMBP isn't ready? Or is it a software issue that will be fixed?

I want to know this by the end of my 14 day period so I actually don't waste $2500 on a computer that can't even use Facebook properly?
 
So basically I should just return this as the rMBP isn't ready? Or is it a software issue that will be fixed?

I want to know this by the end of my 14 day period so I actually don't waste $2500 on a computer that can't even use Facebook properly?

Maybe try doing something more productive with your time?
 
Maybe try doing something more productive with your time?

So instead of trying to be helpful about the question you try be funny or just plain stupid? I'm trying to make sure I'm not wasting $2500 with this computer if it cannot even browse the internet.

So if your going to be a **** take it somewhere else.
 
Hi all,

Recently got a new rMBP, only issue I seem to be having is lag on facebook, fro example, scrolling.

I updated EVERYTHING on the rMBP and it still doesn't seem too good where as websites such as MacRumors seem ok??? :confused::confused: (Although typing at the moment is slightly laggy :l)

Is this a software issue or a hardware issue?

Hopefully someone will have an idea about this,

Thanks,
Taylor

P.s. I'm loving everything about this laptop except for these lag issues :l

I'm seeing the same issues and it frustrates the hell out of me. I can scroll faster on my 2009 iMac......... Cool beans $2600 later. Don't get me wrong I love this machine, but it is extremely frustrating at times. Hopefully something is resolved soon.
 
I'm seeing the same issues and it frustrates the hell out of me. I can scroll faster on my 2009 iMac......... Cool beans $2600 later. Don't get me wrong I love this machine, but it is extremely frustrating at times. Hopefully something is resolved soon.

Same problem.

I love everything about it except for this, thats why I want to know if it's hardware or software. If it's a hardware issue, I'm going to be taking this back as I'm not spending $2500 on something that cannot even run Facebook, if it's a software issue that can be fixed, I may just wait.
 
You really think Apple would release dodgy software drivers for their brand new product? Of course it's purely hardware related. Don't expect any further update to fix anything. If anything it will only get worse as they add more features.

What's more likely; that they released an unfinished product because of some arbitrary time limit? The product hadn't even been announced yet. It's more likely that they did the best they could with the hardware that was available at the time.
 
You really think Apple would release dodgy software drivers for their brand new product? Of course it's purely hardware related. Don't expect any further update to fix anything. If anything it will only get worse as they add more features.

What's more likely; that they released an unfinished product because of some arbitrary time limit? The product hadn't even been announced yet. It's more likely that they did the best they could with the hardware that was available at the time.

So your saying this is purely hardware related? Why do different browsers react differently? And why couldn't they release software with some 'issues'?
 
So basically I should just return this as the rMBP isn't ready? Or is it a software issue that will be fixed?

I want to know this by the end of my 14 day period so I actually don't waste $2500 on a computer that can't even use Facebook properly?

The hardware cannot keep up. The OS cannot be tweaked any further to improve matters or Apple would have obviously done so by now.

It doesn't bother some people or they choose not to notice it while it bothers many others. To me, it's a constant irritation like a grain of sand in my eye. It's clear you feel the same way so return it and wait for the second, refined version next summer.
 
The hardware cannot keep up. The OS cannot be tweaked any further to improve matters or Apple would have obviously done so by now.

It doesn't bother some people or they choose not to notice it while it bothers many others. To me, it's a constant irritation like a grain of sand in my eye. It's clear you feel the same way so return it and wait for the second, refined version next summer.

Ok so since we have worked it out now as a hardware fault, I have to admit I am disappointed.

Only problem is, I really needed a new laptop, and now I don't have any other option?

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But I also don't understand how I can use aperture smoothly, but the hardware can't keep up with Facebook? :confused::confused:
 
Ok so since we have worked it out now as a hardware fault, I have to admit I am disappointed.

Only problem is, I really needed a new laptop, and now I don't have any other option?

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But I also don't understand how I can use aperture smoothly, but the hardware can't keep up with Facebook? :confused::confused:

I find it odd that people have differing results. Like I said earlier, I use Chrome and have no lag that I can see. I just tried FB on Safari and whilst it ran slower while the images were loading, once they had loaded it was arguably smoother than Chrome! (As an aside, I have come from a three year old Dell so maybe my threshold for perfection is lower.)
 
This is not a hardware issue!!! Both the Intel and NVidia GPU can easily handle both much higher aggregate resolutions than even the 3840x2400 scaled HiDPI mode (Intel has about 20x the required memory bandwidth, Nvidia nearly 80x required memory bandwidth), and can easily easily handle the scaling using any interpolation technique (a very cheap operation). People just seem to repeat what Anand said without understanding whether it was accurate or not:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15526427/

Apple's GPU drivers however are well known to be buggy and clearly slower performance wise than native (NVidia/ATI binary drivers on Windows or Linux for example) equivalents, and the APIs Apple are using are often not even optimised for their poor drivers. Remember how long Apple took to utilise hardware accelerated video playback (years after the hardware was capable and working on Windows, and only for some variants of hardware when all their GPUs were capable)? And that they are incapable of keeping up to date with the OpenGL spec even though OpenGL is the core of Apple's graphics pipeline. Apple's graphics drivers are simply just "good enough".

Again, the fact this affects some people and not others, affects some software more than others, or some versions (i.e. compare Chrome vs nightly Chromium) of the same software, along with the fact that empirically the hardware is more than capable and this should be clear!
 
This is not a hardware issue!!! Both the Intel and NVidia GPU can easily handle both much higher aggregate resolutions than even the 3840x2400 scaled HiDPI mode (Intel has about 20x the required memory bandwidth, Nvidia nearly 80x required memory bandwidth), and can easily easily handle the scaling using any interpolation technique (a very cheap operation). People just seem to repeat what Anand said without understanding whether it was accurate or not:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15526427/

Apple's GPU drivers however are well known to be buggy and clearly slower performance wise than native (NVidia/ATI binary drivers on Windows or Linux for example) equivalents, and the APIs Apple are using are often not even optimised for their poor drivers. Remember how long Apple took to utilise hardware accelerated video playback (years after the hardware was capable and working on Windows, and only for some variants of hardware when all their GPUs were capable)? And that they are incapable of keeping up to date with the OpenGL spec even though OpenGL is the core of Apple's graphics pipeline. Apple's graphics drivers are simply just "good enough".

Again, the fact this affects some people and not others, affects some software more than others, or some versions (i.e. compare Chrome vs nightly Chromium) of the same software, along with the fact that empirically the hardware is more than capable and this should be clear!

Ok to be honest I didn't really understand much of that, but thank you very much for taking the time.

Why are people saying it is a hardware problem? And what would you recommend to do now?
 
People are saying it is a hardware problem because of the review made by Anand Lal Shimpi of the rMBP (running on Lion IIRC). He didn't back up his claim, and the hardware specifications do not support his assertion.

What to do; well I don't use Facebook, and I don't see stuttering on sites I visit so for me there is no problem. I certainly see no problems with professional software that do much more challenging things than surf a webpage.

But for those who do see stuttering/lag, use the Apple feedback forms or bugreporter, go and bother Apple Geniuses about it; Apple are notoriously bad at fixing their GPU code. I am a visual Neuroscientist and we use Macs for research, there are bugs we've reported in the OpenGL implementation that have remained unfixed for years, but we are a small community and doubt ever register a blip on their radar. I suspect Facebookers make up a larger contingent of new Apple users, and shouting is more likely to get heard...
 
People are saying it is a hardware problem because of the review made by Anand Lal Shimpi of the rMBP (running on Lion IIRC). He didn't back up his claim, and the hardware specifications do not support his assertion.

What to do; well I don't use Facebook, and I don't see stuttering on sites I visit so for me there is no problem. I certainly see no problems with professional software that do much more challenging things than surf a webpage.

But for those who do see stuttering/lag, use the Apple feedback forms or bugreporter, go and bother Apple Geniuses about it; Apple are notoriously bad at fixing their GPU code. I am a visual Neuroscientist and we use Macs for research, there are bugs we've reported in the OpenGL implementation that have remained unfixed for years, but we are a small community and doubt ever register a blip on their radar. I suspect Facebookers make up a larger contingent of new Apple users, and shouting is more likely to get heard...

Thanks for your time to help us with this :)

So should I keep my rMBP? Like I love everything about it, except for this lag. And as I have said previously, this lag can be present even typing a reply here. I haven't really discovered much lag outside of Safari.

I really want to keep up to date with Apple's newest gear, and don't really want to have to buy the cMBP, but I also don't really want to wait a year for the next rMBP...
 
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