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Lag on Facebook? rMBP
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I am on 10.8.2 and the lag is gone. Apple is definitely working on it and it should be fixed with that update.
What trolls lol
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When will 10.8.2 be coming out? And I thought it was supposed to be fixed with 10.8.1......
As this is not a hardware issue, waiting for new hardware is meaningless, and most hardware improvements are incremental.
10.8.1 contained no new graphics drivers, nor new build of Safari so it wasn't aimed at GPU performance enhancements. 10.8.1 was small update. To give some of you hope, Mountain Lion is supposed to contain a substantial under-the-hood change to the GPU driver frameworks to make it easier for Apple to support future GPUs and keep up-to-date with OpenGL, this may make them a bit more nimble in keeping OS X graphics performance better than just "good enough". Apple have responded to demand to improve their graphics drivers, for example when Steam was released first released, so perhaps they will do so for this...
I think Safari or Chrome can improves things independently, but perhaps both are constrained by some API which needs further optimisation. This means we really have to wait, perhaps as soon as 10.8.2...
10.8.1 contained no new graphics drivers, nor new build of Safari so it wasn't aimed at GPU performance enhancements. 10.8.1 was small update. To give some of you hope, Mountain Lion is supposed to contain a substantial under-the-hood change to the GPU driver frameworks to make it easier for Apple to support future GPUs and keep up-to-date with OpenGL, this may make them a bit more nimble in keeping OS X graphics performance better than just "good enough". Apple have responded to demand to improve their graphics drivers, for example when Steam was released first released, so perhaps they will do so for this...
I think Safari or Chrome can improves things independently, but perhaps both are constrained by some API which needs further optimisation. This means we really have to wait, perhaps as soon as 10.8.2...
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So would you recommend for me to keep my current rMBP and not return it? I just thought 10.8.1 was supposed to fix everything... I'm still within my 14 day return period.
So you are 100% confident that this is not a hardware issue?
If it was a hardware issue you'd see your rMBP lag on other things outside Safari. It's cause Facebook is awfully coded. Hiding the news ticker decreases lag dramatically. If you want proof that it's Facebook, open activity monitor and look at the CPU usage of Safari Web Content, it'll go stupidly high when scrolling on FB.
Sorry edited my reply after you responded, recheck my post above yours (summary: 10.8.1 had no graphics fixes, so this wasn't targetted in 10.8.1).
Personally I wouldn't return my rMBP even if I did see lag on a few web sites, the readability and resolution of a 220DPI, 8bit IPS panel is so above any other display I use (including my lovely 27" cinema display), that you'd have to prise it out of my cold, dead hands. The fact the rMBP rips through advanced comutations, slices through complex graphics apps (Lightroom / Final Cut Pro X / Illustrator etc.) like a Samurai sword and generally stays cool where my 2010MBP doesn't.
I am confident[1] this is not a hardware problem, certainly no one has provided any evidence it is so far, and most people who say it is are just parroting what they read in a review that doesn't provide any evidence for that assertion. The hardware stats make both the integrated and discrete GPU more than capable of browsing facebook!
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[1] maybe evidence will come out it is, any scientist should deal in probabilities, not certainties, at which point I'd need to revise my hypothesis
Personally I wouldn't return my rMBP even if I did see lag on a few web sites, the readability and resolution of a 220DPI, 8bit IPS panel is so above any other display I use (including my lovely 27" cinema display), that you'd have to prise it out of my cold, dead hands. The fact the rMBP rips through advanced comutations, slices through complex graphics apps (Lightroom / Final Cut Pro X / Illustrator etc.) like a Samurai sword and generally stays cool where my 2010MBP doesn't.
I am confident[1] this is not a hardware problem, certainly no one has provided any evidence it is so far, and most people who say it is are just parroting what they read in a review that doesn't provide any evidence for that assertion. The hardware stats make both the integrated and discrete GPU more than capable of browsing facebook!
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[1] maybe evidence will come out it is, any scientist should deal in probabilities, not certainties, at which point I'd need to revise my hypothesis
Thank you very much for your help nontroppo, I really appreciate it.
I don't understand everything that is being said but I think I get the main gist of it
So what I understand from it all that is the hardware (both graphics chips) along with the other hardware components are more than capable of running the Retina Display? It's just software issues that are present within Safari and Mountain Lion 10.8.1 itself that are causing these slowdowns?
I thought I read somewhere that 10.8.1 was supposed to fix these issues, clearly I was wrong.
So basically what you are recommending me to do is to wait the problem out? Just hold in there for 10.8.2 which should fix the problem? Do you have any idea when this will be released?
Also nontroppo, do you experience lag (occasionally) like myself typing here in this text box?
Thanks very much again,
Taylor
I don't understand everything that is being said but I think I get the main gist of it
So what I understand from it all that is the hardware (both graphics chips) along with the other hardware components are more than capable of running the Retina Display? It's just software issues that are present within Safari and Mountain Lion 10.8.1 itself that are causing these slowdowns?
I thought I read somewhere that 10.8.1 was supposed to fix these issues, clearly I was wrong.
So basically what you are recommending me to do is to wait the problem out? Just hold in there for 10.8.2 which should fix the problem? Do you have any idea when this will be released?
Also nontroppo, do you experience lag (occasionally) like myself typing here in this text box?
Thanks very much again,
Taylor
I would simply wait things out - there is nothing wrong with your specific rMBP if that's what you are getting at with this thread. However, if this seriously bothers you as it seems to, perhaps return it within the 14 day period as there are a lot of applications and web services that are currently "not optimized" so to speak for the rMBP.
At some point you are going to have to make a decision for yourself instead of asking others what they would do or decision they would make - I understand the point of this thread is you determining what the issue actually is, but only your opinion ultimately matters in the end and you are going to have to decide if the computer is worth it or not.
At some point you are going to have to make a decision for yourself instead of asking others what they would do or decision they would make - I understand the point of this thread is you determining what the issue actually is, but only your opinion ultimately matters in the end and you are going to have to decide if the computer is worth it or not.
I don't really need people to make a decision for me. There are people here such as nontroppo who are a lot smarter than me with issues such as this, so I greatly appreciate their opinion.
I needed a new laptop and thought that the rMBP would be the best option. I don't see the point of buying a cMBP. And with these issues, I looked up on the net what the problem could be, with a lot of people saying that it is a hardware issue. This scared me as I didn't want to pay so much for a machine that wouldnt even run Facebook? And as I have said, I love this machine except for those few issues.
I don't want to make a decision based off myself, I'm not that kind of person. There are people here with greater knowledge then me that can provide me with insight and assist me with my decision. I just want to make my decision within the 14 days, and hopefully it turns out to be the correct one.
I greatly appreciate the help of nontroppo who quite clearly has valuable and good information on the topic, so hopefully he continues to reply.
My point is that you are going to have to make the decision as to whether or not you are going to ultimately keep the computer or not, not someone on MacRumors forums. I expressed that I understand what you are doing with this thread - trying to determine what the problem actually is, you don't have to explain it again. If you're not the "kind of person" to make a decision for yourself (not sure what "kind of person" that is besides, well, everyone) then how did you even purchase this specific computer in the first place?
It's fine, in fact it's great to come to a place like this for insight and knowledge but you have to decide what's worth it in your situation, nobody can really do that for you. I'm not trying to be rude here, trying to give sound advice - that's life unfortunately.
It's fine, in fact it's great to come to a place like this for insight and knowledge but you have to decide what's worth it in your situation, nobody can really do that for you. I'm not trying to be rude here, trying to give sound advice - that's life unfortunately.
Except those who are most vocal with their complaints actually want it to be a hardware issue despite any amount of evidence to the contrary. Some people will criticize this laptop to no end because they find its sealed design threatening. Okay fine, to those people I say my goodness please go and get a life so you can occupy your time with more meaningful pursuits.
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Wow, you should probably have your cMBP sent to Stanford to be studied.
Just... what? What on earth makes you think this is the OP's only activity on their Mac?
When someone says "I want to know this by the end of my 14 day period so I actually don't waste $2500 on a computer that can't even use Facebook properly", the take-away is that browsing Facebook is the most important thing to this person otherwise why mention it specifically?
Anyone who thinks the RMBP can't browse Facebook "properly" needs to have their head examined.
But what gets me is... so what if it is? I don't do anything overly taxing on mine (although my old Dell couldn't cope with what I did do) and yet I bought one because it was a damn good deal with the student discount and I wanted one. It was my graduation present to myself. It just seems to disproportionately bother a lot of people on here what people actually use their machines for.
If you read my quote you would see that the op said if it can't display facebook smoothly it's not worth having.
If this machine works properly for all your other use cases, why on earth would you be worried about Facebook performance?
That is what makes me think you spend a large proportion of your time on Facebook, hence my comment. Only YOU can determine if you wasting money. If scroll lag on Facebook impacts your use of the machine to a large degree then return the machine and get something else.
I have no idea more than anyone else on their release schedule, nor do I know if the lag some people experience will be fixed in 10.8.2 -- I personally don't have much faith in Apple's graphics engineers.
No, my rMBP has absolutely no lag on MR, nor at most other site, in particular sites like Github which are very complex pages. I've noticed some lag in Chromium at 1920x1200 on http://www.theverge.com/ but it is variable, and I only visited it because people said it lags. The worst performance I've seen is on the App Store, but that is as bad on my beefy 2012 desktop Mac Pro, not specific to the rMBP. My experience is that lag is not an issue whatsoever on my machine...
Wait for a Safari update [ 6.0.1 ]
As far as I have experienced, it's a Software issue. I am not using Safari currently [ either Firefox ver 15 or Chrome ] because it has issues!
Apple has seeded a Safari update to developers. I am sure they are aware of the problems with Safari. Read about it here >>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/24/apple-seeds-safari-6-0-1-for-os-x-lion-to-developers/
AFAIK, the .1 update was to *secretly* address the excessive battery drain post ML update. The .2 update should cover/resolve many more issues!
As far as I have experienced, it's a Software issue. I am not using Safari currently [ either Firefox ver 15 or Chrome ] because it has issues!
Apple has seeded a Safari update to developers. I am sure they are aware of the problems with Safari. Read about it here >>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/24/apple-seeds-safari-6-0-1-for-os-x-lion-to-developers/
AFAIK, the .1 update was to *secretly* address the excessive battery drain post ML update. The .2 update should cover/resolve many more issues!
EVERY Computer I own including my brand new 15" cMBP lags on facebook. It has to be THE MOST poorly programed and optimized website on the planet.
I wouldn't base the performance of my computer on such a horrible site. Try browsing through a 300 picture album on facebook. Laggy as hell.
I wouldn't base the performance of my computer on such a horrible site. Try browsing through a 300 picture album on facebook. Laggy as hell.
Let's get this straight, a I can make my own decision, as I did to buy this machine. Clearly I am looking for advice of what to do. Whatever happens it is ultimately my decision.
And as for Facebook? I use my computer for other things other than Facebook, but I have Facebook open in a webpage for 99% of the time, no matter what else I am doing. In all honestly, I could have got away with getting a cheaper Mac, but I like new products. I was attracted to the Retina screen, slim design and having the power there if I do need it. Clearly what I am saying is that if Facebook is laggy on a $2500 computer, what did I just spend my money on? On my old 13" Pro, I had no lag at all, anywhere on the net. I don't understand why people have to come on here and just go on with **** as to why I have a Retina Macbook. I could afford one, I wanted one, so I got one.
The problems I have are is some websites are laggy, typing in a text box like this can be laggy, text disappear for a bit etc. When bringing out of sleepmode, screen will go half black, or blue whatever, and take maybe 20 seconds.
People like nontroppo, who are actually helping, I appreciate it.
And as for Facebook? I use my computer for other things other than Facebook, but I have Facebook open in a webpage for 99% of the time, no matter what else I am doing. In all honestly, I could have got away with getting a cheaper Mac, but I like new products. I was attracted to the Retina screen, slim design and having the power there if I do need it. Clearly what I am saying is that if Facebook is laggy on a $2500 computer, what did I just spend my money on? On my old 13" Pro, I had no lag at all, anywhere on the net. I don't understand why people have to come on here and just go on with **** as to why I have a Retina Macbook. I could afford one, I wanted one, so I got one.
The problems I have are is some websites are laggy, typing in a text box like this can be laggy, text disappear for a bit etc. When bringing out of sleepmode, screen will go half black, or blue whatever, and take maybe 20 seconds.
People like nontroppo, who are actually helping, I appreciate it.
I hate Facebook, but not being able to type in a text box without a delay, that is a behavior that requires a cure when it occurs, usually a reboot. If that doesn't work then it's time for a fresh install. If a fresh install doesn't work then new hardware is required.