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Landis tests positive for drugs

gauchogolfer said:
It still doesn't answer how he could have passed the other tests earlier (and later) in the tour. It doesn't make sense that he would only fail this one test (and fail it so spectacularly).
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Different tests for different drugs?

Maybe the testosterone usage and testing is alot different from the epo usage and tesing...
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Different tests for different drugs?

Maybe the testosterone usage and testing is alot different from the epo usage and tesing...
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But I assume they test for all possibilities each time, otherwise what's the point? It's not like they tested only for epo presence in the stage 16 winner, and then testosterone ratio in the stage 17 winner.

I'll reiterate my belief that a systematic use of testosterone would show up in other tests, and that testosterone itself provides no benefit if taken in the morning, for a ride that afternoon. It doesn't act that way on the body.

Lord Blackadder said:
I came across this open letter on a cycling news site that raises some salient points about the atmosphere that surrounds pro cycling at the mo.
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Thanks for that link, it was an interesting read.
 
I dunno.. maybe it's very expensive to do all the tests... :confused:

BTW... as pressumably drinking beer and whiskey can increase the testosterone level dramatically the folowwing day :)rolleyes: ), then one can assume that drugs which lead to higher testosterone levels only have to be taken in the night before?
If so, then it seems easy to pass all tests but one.
 
gauchogolfer said:
It still doesn't answer how he could have passed the other tests earlier (and later) in the tour. It doesn't make sense that he would only fail this one test (and fail it so spectacularly).
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He could have been given the wrong dosage. If they are trying to cheat the system, then they would have the dosage down to the science. But it could have been a mistake on the amount and thus the T:E ratio of more than 4:1 is considered a positive test; that ratio was lowered from 6:1 at the beginning of 2006.
 
"It would be a true legal aberration to strip him of his victory in the 2006 Tour de France, even if the result is confirmed," Sanz, one of landis's lawyers.

i think at this point landis and his lawyers should just keep as low a profile as possible until after the B sample. they are not helping themselves putting forward ridiculous excuses that are easily proven wrong.
and if he does come back positive again (especially if the radioisotope test was positive), he should just admit it and give a full account of all the details, including doctors, sources, other people involved. the whole story.
He would actually get a year off his penalty if he fully cooperates with WADA to bust doping rings. Of course then his popularity with his fellow users would most definitely be low, but its time someone breaks the wall of silence.


on a completely unrelated topic, I just noticed after 3 ys that the 'power on/off' indicator on the cinema display blinks intermittently but regularly (blink-blink-bliiiink----------). Is it trying to tell me something?
 
Transic said:
I'd like to give Landis the benefit of the doubt, but his story just keeps changing.
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-Transic

I wish the subjects of these news stories would just stop trying to appease the media by throwing these bones out there - it just doesn't work.

Just say "We don't know why he tested high, well find out soon." and toe that line.
 
Yep :(

I wonder how next year's Tour will be.
Let's hope that this year's troubles will be forgotten., soon.

I still want to enjoy this season's classics....
 
I cannot even imagine what kind of defence they'll put up now, but I'm sure the lawyers will try to create as much uncertainty as possible by coming up with different scenarios. The latest excuse I read was blaming a lotion used by a masseur... :rolleyes:

Landis just needs to come clean and stop this farce. Ok, so he topped up the testosterone level after the breakdown on stage 16 to stay in the race. Research has shown that testosterone levels falls during long events (they've researched skiers crossing the Greenland icecap), and that adding artificial testosterone will increase short term performance, according to Peter Hemmersbach, leader of the doping lab at Aker Hospital (link in Norwegian).

Congratulations to the new winner of 2006 TDF: Oscar Pereiro Sio!

Now I hope they throw the book at Landis and also disband the whole Phonak team. It doesn't help that they summarily fired Landis, there has just been too many cases with that team... :mad:
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
Congratulations to the new winner of 2006 TDF: Oscar Pereiro Sio!
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Yep! Didn't he actually got that far because of that one stage where he won something like 28 minutes over the rest of the favourites (well, who were left over ofcourse... ;) )
I wonder if he will get some kind of "winner's ceremony".... or will they just give him a call, wire the money, and send him the yellow jersey.
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
Now I hope they throw the book at Landis and also disband the whole Phonak team. There has just been too many cases with that team... :mad:
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That's the problem.
Phonak have now sacked him.... I always wonder how much a team knows about such affairs of a single rider. They pretend to not knowing, and "keep up apperances" by sacking the culprit.
If the team boss knew about this, he should be kicked out of cycling too.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Yep! Didn't he actually got that far because of that one stage where he won something like 28 minutes over the rest of the favourites (well, who were left over ofcourse... ;) )
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Yes, he came in second on the 13th stage when his breakaway went all the way. Came in 28' 28" (!) before the peloton...

MacsRgr8 said:
Phonak have now sacked him.... I always wonder how much a team knows about such affairs of a single rider. They pretend to not knowing, and "keep up apperances" by sacking the culprit.
If the team boss knew about this, he should be kicked out of cycling too.
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That's always a problem, but teams have been collectively punished earlier, and at least one team was disbanded, as far as I remember. And this is, what, the 10th, 11th case with Phonak in very few years. I'd say it's not a coincidence... even if the team leaders have assured themselves some sort of plausible deniability...
 
Blah, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To have a countryman disgraced in such a way...it's horrible.

I want to hear what he has to say, but I suspect it will be weak excuses and lawyer-speak.

Every time one of these scandals breaks people say that cycling is in shambles, until the next scandal makes it worse. Have we hit bottom yet?
 
This just sucks. Landis and Gatlin both testing positive? This is not good...not good at all...

However, I think that the better question is how did he pass all those other tests, but fail just this one? Does testosterone really leave the body that quickly...?

Also, does anyone else believe that they should move the testing site out of France to another, more neutral site? Remember this was the testing location involved in some of the (false) allegations against Armstrong...
 
ham_man said:
This just sucks. Landis and Gatlin both testing positive? This is not good...not good at all...

However, I think that the better question is how did he pass all those other tests, but fail just this one? Does testosterone really leave the body that quickly...?

Also, does anyone else believe that they should move the testing site out of France to another, more neutral site? Remember this was the testing location involved in some of the (false) allegations against Armstrong...
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I'm not sure who quickly testosterone dissipates but I would think rather quickly.

Sounds like you have a problem with the French.
 
Ugg said:
Sounds like you have a problem with the French.
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Problem with the French? Nah...I just get kind of suspicious when the same laboratory that has produced false allegations against Armstrong repeatedly is still trusted to decide the careers and legacies of some great atheletes.
 
ham_man said:
Problem with the French? Nah...I just get kind of suspicious when the same laboratory that has produced false allegations against Armstrong repeatedly is still trusted to decide the careers and legacies of some great atheletes.
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which false allegations? what interest could they possibly have in ruining the premiere event of their country?
get the blinders off. Landis cheated. So does/did everyone in the sport at that level.
 
Better stated:
Probably the most at that level.

BTW... I haven't told you what a gr8 'tar you have XIII!

I went to his testimonial against Ajax. It was also the first time I was in the new stadium... :cool:

First impressions were.... :eek: OMG!! What a beautiful place! I was really very impressed.
But later, during the game it came to me that I missed some real atmosphere. I was used to the North Bank (lower tier) ambience. Now I sat "Club Level" (got the orange DB 10 shirt ;) ), right above the Ajax supprters (who had a little fight during the first half.. :rolleyes: ), so in a "corner", behind the corner flag.
There is a lot of space between the rows (which is very handy, you can stay sat down when others pass), but it does give a less of a "togetherness" feeling (if you know what I mean...).

Many people say that of new stadiums. It's hard to get the "old" atmosphere back.
I hope when I come see Arsenal again in the (hopefully very) near future, I sit low again, behind a goal. Much more fun, IMHO.

Sorry for hijacking this thread abit, but XIII's tar got me going! :D
 
XIII said:
What an informed statement. :rolleyes:
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It is a very informed statement.
We have discussed this ad nauseam, in this and other threads. I am in the opinion (which I made clear several times) that very few, if any, of the very elite riders are clean. i think they all use whatever they can to gain an advantage or to just keep the pace, especially during training. some more than others.

I have been following the doping issues closely, especially cycling's for quite a while. I know that most if not all of the 'champions' of a few years ago were doped. Most of them are now coaches and general managers of today's champions.
Not so long ago, before they finally put the 50% limit to the ematocrit level and EPO use was rampant, the blood of some of the top athletes was so thick that they where risking a cardiac arrest every night during the races, most had a doctor in their hotel room at all times who would wake them up every time the heart rate would dip below a certain (life-treathening) threshold, to exercise.

I am pretty confident things have not gotten any better since then. just more sophisticated.
unfortunately the anti-doping controls are very easy to beat, especially for gains to be obtained during training, so not having failed one (or a dozen) test means just that: they passed the test.
but sometimes, through bad luck or stupidity, something goes wrong and the athletes do get caught. and then we are treated to Floyd's maelstrom of lies.
 
I remember him on the Leno show, and he obviously mentioned how he didn't user performance enhancing drugs. Then weeks later, the original story broke.

In the back of my mind, whenever these tests are revealed, I know that a lot of atheletes use drugs. It's all one big arms race. Horrible.

At least he finally admitted it but that's so pathetic it took so long.
 
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