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The United States Department of Homeland Security may be planning expand its laptop ban, disallowing laptops in the cabins of all flights from Europe to the United States. News of the expanded ban, which could be announced as soon as Thursday, came from European security officials that spoke to The Daily Beast.

Passengers flying from Europe to the United States will need to put their laptops in their checked luggage should the ban be expanded to cover European countries. The Department of Homeland Security has not yet made a final decision on whether or not to expand the laptop restrictions, with Security Secretary John Kelly planning to discuss the matter with senators in a classified briefing on Thursday.
"No final decisions have been made on expanding the restriction on large electronic devices in aircraft cabins; however, it is under consideration. DHS continues to evaluate the threat environment and will make changes when necessary to keep air travelers safe."
A laptop and tablet in-cabin ban was first announced in March on intelligence suggesting terrorists had discovered a way to turn laptops into bombs, but at the time, the ban only applied to passengers flying to the United States from Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. That first ban is still in place.

Though The Daily Beast's source says laptops will be banned on all flights from Europe, Reuters says the ban will include "some European countries." The government is said to be reviewing how to make sure lithium batteries stored in luggage holds don't explode before enacting the ban.
One issue under discussion is how to ensure that lithium batteries in any large collection of devices stored in airplane holds do not explode in midair, officials told Reuters.

European regulators have warned placing what could be potentially hundreds of devices in the hold on long-haul flights could compromise safety by increasing the risk of fire from poorly deactivated lithium-ion batteries.
A ban in European countries could impact many United States carriers that offer European flights, including United Airlines, Delta, and American Airlines. Airports and airlines in Europe have reportedly already been working on plans for an extension of the ban since it was first announced.

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Article Link: Laptop Ban May Expand to Flights Coming to U.S. From Europe
 

garirry

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This is going way too far. If they really were concerned with the batteries being in good health then they might as well ban all cell phones too because the Note 7 is more dangerous than any laptop made in the last decade. It's not even safety at this point, it's paranoia from people who have no idea how the world works. If I'm in a plane for 10+ hours, I better have something to do in the meantime. Well, whatever. Let's hope that this ban doesn't apply to flights within Canada, or else I'll be really pissed.
 

Moccasin

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This is going to really impact on transatlantic business travel. Few companies are going to be prepared to have laptops holding their data (encrypted or not) leave their employees' sight.

If business travel drops significantly, that then affects the whole pricing model for airlines as that's where they make their money. Emirates have already reduced flights to the US after the ban has been in place for only 2 months.
 

zone23

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I don't get it couldn't I just build an Android device into a laptop with an explosive device inside, and detonate it with my phone via Bluetooth? How is stowing it going to prevent anything?

Edit: I guess you have to put it in with your luggage my bad..
 

Porco

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I can understand if they have intelligence about terrorists wanting to turn laptops into bombs they need to do something, but even if it's safer to have them in the hold it seems rather a weird 'balance' to settle on. Surely there is either enough evidence so that they should be banning all laptops (and probably electronic devices altogether) or else there isn't a major risk? I find it weird.

I don't get it couldn't I just build an Android device into a laptop with an explosive device inside, and detonate it with my phone via Bluetooth? How is stowing it going to prevent anything?

I wondered that too, but apparently I think the argument goes that if something in the hold blew, the way it's designed is that it would blow outwards and the plane (and passengers) would be more likely to survive the experience. Which is why I find it odd, like if that is the reasoning they sound like they are playing the odds a little too much.
 

Zenithal

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This is going to really impact on transatlantic business travel. Few companies are going to be prepared to have laptops holding their data (encrypted or not) leave their employees' sight.

If business travel drops significantly, that then affects the whole pricing model for airlines as that's where they make their money. Emirates have already reduced flights to the US after the ban has been in place for only 2 months.
I'd imagine having money set aside to purchase a clean laptop from a store and logging into a offsite company website and downloading encrypted documentation will become the norm.
 

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az431

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This is going way too far. If they really were concerned with the batteries being in good health then they might as well ban all cell phones too because the Note 7 is more dangerous than any laptop made in the last decade. It's not even safety at this point, it's paranoia from people who have no idea how the world works. If I'm in a plane for 10+ hours, I better have something to do in the meantime. Well, whatever. Let's hope that this ban doesn't apply to flights within Canada, or else I'll be really pissed.

Did you read the article? The purpose of the cabin ban on laptops is related to security, not battery hazards. The concern is with batteries stored in the cargo hold, not in the cabin, because cargo holds are subject to extreme temperature and pressure differences.
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Terrorists may not be everywhere but they sure are in a lot of places and killing lots of people.
Terrorists have a history of building bombs into electronic devices, handing them off to pregnant girlfriends that are then duped into taking them onto planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair

...because that happens every day on an airplane
 

Markoth

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The US is getting pretty ********. They are seeing terrorist everywhere, ridiculous.
Being overcautious is better than not being cautious enough, like most European countries have been. Look at what has happened in France. All it takes are a few maniacs to kill a large number of people. I don't think the people who have died in France would share your sentiment. Obviously, the French were not careful enough.
 
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