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Terrorists may not be everywhere but they sure are in a lot of places and killing lots of people.
Terrorists have a history of building bombs into electronic devices, handing them off to pregnant girlfriends that are then duped into taking them onto planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair

And again with this event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

The US government is dropping far more bombs and killing far more civilians than anyone else at the moment.

Personally I am less concerned about North Korea getting Nukes than the US already having them.

Is it possible for a whole country to be mentally ill ??? the US seems to be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia
 
I can understand if they have intelligence about terrorists wanting to turn laptops into bombs they need to do something, but even if it's safer to have them in the hold it seems rather a weird 'balance' to settle on. Surely there is either enough evidence so that they should be banning all laptops (and probably electronic devices altogether) or else there isn't a major risk? I find it weird.



I wondered that too, but apparently I think the argument goes that if something in the hold blew, the way it's designed is that it would blow outwards and the plane (and passengers) would be more likely to survive the experience. Which is why I find it odd, like if that is the reasoning they sound like they are playing the odds a little too much.

I read that the method they're trying to prevent is a terrorist detonating a small device next to the aircraft cabin wall, as happened in Somalia recently (only killing the terrorist I think as the plane wasn't at cruising altitude and not fully pressurised). If an explosive device is in the metal luggage containers used in the hold, any damage will be contained and will likely be too far away from the aircraft fuselage wall to be catastrophic.
 
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Being overcautious is better than not being cautious enough, like most European countries have been. Look at what has happened in France. All it takes are a few maniacs to kill a large number of people. I don't think the people who have died in France would share your sentiment. Obviously, the French were not careful enough.

Perhaps... but there is a fine line between sufficiently cautious and just plan stupid.

Life is inherently risky and we'll all die in the end. Do I want one single person to perish at the hands of terrorists (in all forms)? Nope. Am I willing to live a life where every action is monitored just to prevent it? Nope. The real question - the one that everyone is asking - is about the balance. Like most conservatives and social libertarians I lean toward significantly greater freedom in exchange for a statistically slight increase in risk.
 
I'd imagine having money set aside to purchase a clean laptop from a store and logging into a offsite company website and downloading encrypted documentation will become the norm.

More than likely the norm will be to conduct business outside of the US where it's not a complete ordeal to get things done. Our foreign counterparts will say "well, if this meeting is important to you, then YOU get on the plane and come HERE."
 
This is going way too far. If they really were concerned with the batteries being in good health then they might as well ban all cell phones too because the Note 7 is more dangerous than any laptop made in the last decade. It's not even safety at this point, it's paranoia from people who have no idea how the world works. If I'm in a plane for 10+ hours, I better have something to do in the meantime. Well, whatever. Let's hope that this ban doesn't apply to flights within Canada, or else I'll be really pissed.
You don't seem to understand the issue. There was evidence recently uncovered that terrorists (im guessing isis but I'm not certain on that) were going to hide bombs inside laptops. No one is worried about the laptop batteries exploding due to manufacturer defect. They are worried about actual bombs.
 
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This is getting really ridiculous. I travel for work and there's no way my company is going to let me continue to use a laptop that the TSA potentially tampered with when it was away from my side. This means I'm going to have to have equipment waiting for me in Europe that I'll have to load up with data once I arrive. It's a huge inconvenience to US businesses and just one more thing that makes us less competitive.
 
Being overcautious is better than not being cautious enough, like most European countries have been. Look at what has happened in France. All it takes are a few maniacs to kill a large number of people. I don't think the people who have died in France would share your sentiment. Obviously, the French were not careful enough.

Bullocks, if you were to actually look at the statistics you would find you are hundreds of times more likely to be killed while in a car, hundreds of time more likely to be murdered by some one you know (friend, family, co-worker, neighbour, etc).

If the US wants to be "safe", implement gun control
If the US wants to be "safe", realise that "US interests" finish at the US boarder, don't get all bitchy when Russia interferes in US politics when the US interferes in the politics of other countries, including funding and supplying arms to terrorist groups.
 
The US government is dropping far more bombs and killing far more civilians than anyone else at the moment.

Personally I am less concerned about North Korea getting Nukes than the US already having them.

Is it possible for a whole country to be mentally ill ??? the US seems to be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia

Sadly, the citizens and government are not one. Back in the early days of the US I'd of agreed, but the people at the top these days are an entirely different societal tier within our borders. They keep themselves in the government and keep those that try to change it out. Even when they get in, they're crippled to the point they leave without getting much of anything done.
 
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It is only a matter of time until it is extended to all countries. Sorry, I prefer to leave my laptop, safe at home that give a TSA agent and easy means to steal it in checked luggage. Especially a Mac. This sucks though.
 
Being overcautious is better than not being cautious enough, like most European countries have been. Look at what has happened in France. All it takes are a few maniacs to kill a large number of people. I don't think the people who have died in France would share your sentiment. Obviously, the French were not careful enough.
Sorry, don't remember any recent French terrorist plane crashes. Attacks yes, and I've been to Nice and it's very moving, but that had zero to do with onboard security. Surely better scanning is the answer: ah but look it seems to have already worked.
 
Bullocks, if you were to actually look at the statistics you would find you are hundreds of times more likely to be killed while in a car, hundreds of time more likely to be murdered by some one you know (friend, family, co-worker, neighbour, etc).

If the US wants to be "safe", implement gun control
If the US wants to be "safe", realise that "US interests" finish at the US boarder, don't get all bitchy when Russia interferes in US politics when the US interferes in the politics of other countries, including funding and supplying arms to terrorist groups.

Yep. The US is the neighbor that's complaining about a weed in your front lawn while their own house is burning down behind them.
 
About time. If I have to see another Italian man waving his spaghetti arms in front of a webcam before committing a bombing I'm going to go crazy
 
This is getting really ridiculous. I travel for work and there's no way my company is going to let me continue to use a laptop that the TSA potentially tampered with when it was away from my side. This means I'm going to have to have equipment waiting for me in Europe that I'll have to load up with data once I arrive. It's a huge inconvenience to US businesses and just one more thing that makes us less competitive.

Its not only that but people are actively avoiding travel to/through the USA. Having been to the US 6-7 times often for up to a month or more we as a family have chosen not to go to/through the USA. There are large parts of the world left to see and experience than don't involve us being treated as potential criminals.
 
Like most conservatives and social libertarians I lean toward significantly greater freedom in exchange for a statistically slight increase in risk.
I am willing to bet that you will be the first in line yelling at government representatives, "why did you not protect my family member" when they are a victim of a terrorist attack. (yes, I know that statistically its rather low that it will happen to you but that is what many family members of victims thought right up to the time it did happen.) The reality is that these horrific things do happen and they have happened more than once, and government policy makers are required to plan and act accordingly.
 
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This means I'm going to have to have equipment waiting for me in Europe that I'll have to load up with data once I arrive. It's a huge inconvenience to US businesses and just one more thing that makes us less competitive.
Wow. what amazing selfishness. If you or a family member had been victimized by a terrorist attack you probably would feel differently about an 'inconvenience.'
 
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This is how the Trump administration is going to get "Clean Coal" to rise and power all our devices!!!
 
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