Laptop speakers...?

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  1. swamesp macrumors regular

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    I would like to buy a decent speakers to my laptop. I was looking at two different models in M-audio. Main use to listen music and use it in a small group singing.

    - AV 40

    - Studio Pro3

    Any suggestions on the above?
     
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  3. thegoldenmackid macrumors 604

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    I'd see if your local Guitar Center has both available for testing. I haven't heard the latter, so I can't give much of an opinion. Here's my normal speaker rant though:

    Let me start about by saying: sound is 100% subjective. Everyone's ears are different and while 100 of us can give you a recommendation - your ears are the ultimate judge. With that said, very rarely are you going to have the opportunity to test all the speakers we recommend or you find in one place (or even at all) some of the brands and models mentioned. You can spend $10 on a pair of speakers or $1,000 - if you can't tell the difference, it's just an extra $9,990. (no, seriously) So now let's get onto what I just described as a process that could be "worthess." I won't make judgement on anything I haven't gotten to hear, so those $1,000 Harman Kardons might be worth it, but...

    So, you want to know what's going to happen? A couple people are going to recommend Bose, soon the "Bose haters" and myself will tell you that's probably not the right idea (more on that later.) The Sound Sticks by Harman Kardon are going to get recommended shortly thereafter (if not before) - I'm going to tell you that these are also overrated, but perhaps not as much as the ones before. Next my old favorite the Altec Lansing FX6021s are going to get some love, at under $150 - I can't say they wouldn't tempt me; good luck trying to find that price though. Then we will get the Logitech Z-2300 and JBL Creatures. At this point in the discussion, there will be a couple of mass diversions. First, someone will swear to ___ that the $25 pair of speakers they found at Wal-Mart produce the greatest sound in the world. The Bose haters (and myself) will quickly attempt to bring back reality. M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 will get some love, go to the Apple store and check them out, they aren't a bad option, but I don't think they are the best. Next, someone will recommend getting yourself a good pair of headphones and explain to you that for the price, you aren't going to do better - while that is likely true in almost every case, it's not what you asked for. Next someone will tell you that there is no point buying computer speakers (more on that later). After that the Bose discussion will go on. Someone will recommend AudioEngines and pro monitors (more on both of those later) There will probably be some other recommendations, but at the end of all this, what you see above: sound is subjective, your ears, etc. That idea will be mentioned and probably agreed on - that doesn't really help you.

    Before all that happens, you'll likely be reading this post and my recommendation, which will generate some debate. My default recommendation for most users are the Swan M10s.
    My review and more questions answered, here. Thread I, got close but a lot of good audio discussion and answers about the M10s.
    Thread II.
    Swan M10 vs. M12
    Swan M10 vs. Swan 1080 MKII

    They are a 2.1 system that can be had for under $100 and produce results that are extremely impressive for the price range. Generally, most people swear by them, two cases of users not being happy with them have arose on here - but the overwhelming majority (86 Percent) seem to be extremely impressed. I will however make some warnings:
    • If you can't put the woofer box at near head level (plus or minus say three feet) these are not for you. The system is very directional and I wouldn't recommend these if you cannot get the woofer placed there.
    • If you are looking for earth-shattering bass that will annoy neighbors; these aren't for you. The Swans feature what most refer to as a "midwoofer." This produces an incredible accurate sounding bass, but it's not going to rumble - hence why you can place them at head level, as opposed to the ground. It's not to say that there is no bass, that would be a lie - it just may not be right for you.
    • If you want a system that is going to power a medium or large sized room, these aren't for you. They are plenty loud for desk use (turning these up beyond 65ish percent is probably going to be distateful for most users), but this is not a boombox for home DJ-ing.

    So, if not the Swans? All of the following I have gotten to hear, some I have owned, others not so much... Anyway here's a list and my brief thoughts:
    • Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 - Don't buy the second version of these, there was a huge gap in quality. This system is extremely loud and features decent accuracy. It's not like the Swans in that sense, but they aren't bad at all. Just find the first generation.
    • Cambridge Soundworks SoundWorks 2 - Need something small on your desk? The satellites are tiny, but the sound is anything but. Trying to find these aren't the easiest thing in the world, but I doubt that you'll be disappointed.
    • Logitech Z-2300 - The alternative to the Klipsch are these. The low-end is not as powerful as the Klipsch, but they do well as the little brother to the Z-5500. Very similar to the Klipsch Pro Media 2.1.
    • Altec Lansing FX6021 - Need something to match your 30" Cinema Display and your Mac Pro, here's what you wanted. Oh, by the way - they sound good too. Head to your local Apple store to take a listen.
    • Swan D2000 MKII - These are bookshelf-esk and sans subwoofer. Powered speakers that make music sound beautiful, if you don't have room for the midwoofer - these aren't a bad start.
    • Creative Sounds T40 - Needed something even more on a diet, Creative made the T40s. The bass can't replicate the lack of a subwoofer, but the tiny package delivers a huge and accurate punch.

    If you like to watch movies or play video games: the answer is fairly easy, Logitech Z-5500 (or similar model.) These feature a ridiculously powerful bass in a THX-certified 5.1 package. This system is designed for gaming and movies, not to say music sounds awful - but the bass overwhelming at times, that's an understatement. If you are wondering, most Mac computers can connect to these via Toslink meaning no external sound card needed.

    If you want to spend a $1000 on computer speakers: don't. Go and buy yourself a home theater system with a proper amp and proper bookshelves.

    My thoughts on Bose. Audiophiles will tell you never to buy Bose. People like me, that want to be audiophiles will tell you not to buy Bose. I don't think they sound awful, but when you place the price tag next to them, then they start to sound awful. For the most part, the Bose stuff is mid-range stuff at top range prices. With that being said, if you are satisfied with your purchase, then more power to you. To say that Bose is "junk" is probably a little overstating it, because they are no worse then any of the other companies. But, to say that they are the best, is giving way too much credit. I love my 901s, but I believe that the in-ear headphones belong only in one place, the trash.

    My thoughts on AudioEngine. I really feel like the Mac community just got duped into the Bose story again. Are they bad? no. Are they overpriced? yes. I feel that AudioEngine has done an incredible job targeting the high-end computer speaker market, but I really wasn't impressed with the A2 or A5 for the price. There are quite a few consumer and professional applications that will achieve the same result. Some people swear by them, just like Bose. If one wants wireless speakers, their adaptor might be the best route to go.

    My thoughts on pro monitors. It's what I use, but I do little mixing now-a-days. They aren't the greatest speakers for personal enjoyment and they definitely aren't the best value. I love my KRK museum (V88, V8 Series I, E8T), but I don't need them to enjoy music. The Swan M10s aren't going to come close to the KRK set-up; but I don't even want to imagine the tiny fraction of the price. Many will tell you that the monitors can produce sound that is "painful." (Shrugs) I can say that there are times in which listening to music for hours straight became annoying, but... In short, stay away unless you are doing mixing - it will save you the money. ​

    Lastly, some notes about soundcards and outputs, etc. There are three main ways to get sound to the speakers. First, is the option most users use - standard 1/8" audio cable directly to them, for most 2.1/2.0 systems this work. If you have a 5.1 system you run into some additional options. First, you can buy a cheap splitter from Radio Shack, this is the cheapest option and will produce sound in all five speakers - but, it will not produce true surround sound. You might be able to use a Toslink cable, but some speaker systems do not support it. If all those options work there are plenty of external sound cards that will allow you to do what you want. Obviously you can use an external sound card or Toslink connection on a 2.1 system, but it may not be required. Every speaker system is different, etc.

    Speakers Discussions Are Rampant:
    A good example of my comments are found here.
    Here is one thread for $100 USD. Good Discussion.
    USB Speaker Discussion Here
    Here is another discussion
    Wireless Thread Here...although it diverged.
    2.0 Discussion Here
    $200 Discussion Here
     
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  5. swamesp thread starter macrumors regular

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    Wow... That's so much detail in the post.... Thanks for taking time, thegoldenmackid.

    I'm looking at all the options. I do not need the 5.1 system as I'm not creating a surround or home theater effect.

    I do not record or mix audios but I would like to have a good speakers that would give a perfect result when used with a guitar or for a small group singing. Anything that is portable (I know portable term is subjective but it should not be 15-20lbs) Should I choose 2.1 or 2.0 for this?

    Maximum budget for now is $150 and that's why I chose AV40.
     
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  7. swamesp thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thank you, but I'm not in for 5.1 as it is too much to handle. I'm looking at some decent to good speaker sets (with or without woofer) for a small group singing.

    Also at times, interested to hook it to instruments like guitar.

    Should I look at 2.0 or 2.1 for this?
     
  8. strausd macrumors 68030

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    I had Bose Companion 3s for a while and they were really nice. I liked everything about them, especially the easy mute and volume control. Since then, I have upgraded to Logitech z-5500s. Not laptop speakers, but definitely amazing!
     
  9. swamesp thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks, but as goldenmac said and most of the reviews I have read, Bose series are costly for the value they offer.

    Also I have finalized to purchase 2.0 instead of 2.1 as I'm not bassy person but interested to hear a clear & amplified music. It will be easy for me to lug around as well.

    - I have one more question, does anyone buy DAC (Dig-Ana converter) for these systems and how do they work with these?

    - I live in a place where Interstate runs very close to my apartment, how about cleaning dust that enters into the speaker grill? Any suggestion? Any idea about grill free speakers or removable grills?
     
  10. Gakboi macrumors regular

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    DAC are part of every soundcard whether it's the onboard mbp soundcard or on a special breakout box soundcard which you plug into usb/FW
    The sound needs to be convert from I's and O's to actual physical waves somewhere along the line in order for you to hear it. The more money you spend on a soundcard the better the ADC and DAC converters will be though the onboard converters on mac products are way better than you get with other brands. I use an Digidesign MBox 2 breakout box for home and it does the job though it is definitely not the best system out there....

    Regarding your dust question. If you keep you place clean enough (eg vacuum once a week at least) you shouldn't worry. Just wipe the external surfaces of your gear with a dry clothe to remove the dust. The speaker cones vibrate to produce sound which wil shake all the dust off of them. Take the grills off... it looks better :)
     
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    Well, that was comprehensive (and informative).

    I own the Bose Companion 2 Series II, Harman Kardon SoundSticks II, and at work use M-Audio Studiophile AV 40s.

    Of those three, I like the Soundsticks best, but the Bose are powerful and rich. As noted, Bose products are solid and good quality, just a bit overpriced. The AV 40 series is decent too.

    Good luck!
     
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    If money is no object and you want great sound and build quality from a speaker about the size of a 1/2 pint milk carton I recommend the Bose Computer Music Monitors. I know they are $399, but they are worth a look. When I bought a pair I thought the price was pretty high, but soon I realized that I will be using these little gems for years and years to come.

    The aluminum (either silver or black) enclosure and design looks great with Apple products. Anyhow probably more then you want to pay, but for the size they pack a lot of punch and sound very good. They also offer a special semi-hard carrying case for them which is great if you want to take your speakers on the go.
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    I never understood why these were $400. -_____-
     
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    I can vouch for the Swan D1080MKII (which compete with the AV40) to be good. All my friends thought they sounded great.
     
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    Wow, I got my z5500s for less than that!
     
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    Epitome of Bose's market strategy. If money is no object, buy Bose (the company, not a single set of speakers), lower prices and eat the loss of margins.
     
  17. swamesp thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yep well said...

    I'm least interested in Bose as I'm not ready to pay for the brand name. I understand that they have quality but currently my wallet is not that heavy.

    I'm leaning towards Swan and M-Audio. The guitar center near my place (TN,USA) has AV40's with them but I could nowhere see Swans.

    If Swan I would choose D1080MkII 08 as the look and features are good.
     
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    BX5a

    I just got a pair of M-Audio BX5as They're studio monitors, so a bit 'flat' in a great way. They sound more real than any speakers I've owned. And you can always add some EQ from iTunes. They might be a bit larger than you imagined, but the price from B and H Photo might surprise you. Add it to the cart to see what I mean.
     
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    I recommend this "beast" too! :D :cool:
    Producing (almost) flat sound at small package, the best in its class, and (almost) as good as mixing speakers like Genelec.

    Oh, $399? I think the price is $599..

    edited: (maybe I was too exaggerate comparing this with Genelec, but for the small form factor I can't think of anything hahaha.. oops)


     
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    Only two places carry Swan computer speakers in the U.S. The only way to see their full line-up stateside is at CES. :)


    Most studio monitors are going to sound "flat" - go find a pair of NS10s, you're mind will be blown.

    They aren't Genelecs. The same could be said about my SE530s, imagine if I could multiply the sound of the IEMs to a speaker size.
     
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    The M-Audio AV40's are nice, but don't pay $149 for them. I have a set that I use with our sound system at church that we got for $89.99. Search around, you can find them at or around $100 easily. They're nice speakers, but be prepared for their size - they will dwarf just about any laptop! :)
     
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    The Edirol MA-15D which I recommended are small monitors. They do not need a subwoofer, which makes them nicely portable. (maybe a sub would make them sound even better, but I'm not a bass head and they sound plenty good to me) These $150 speakers will blow away the Bose speakers which cost nearly three times as much, in my opinion. Good luck.
     
  23. swamesp thread starter macrumors regular

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    Finally I was able to get a deal for AV 40s. $120 (inc tax and shipping) from guitar center.


    A good pair of speakers and doesn't feel to be bulky as I have already seen it few times earlier and the sound quality is also very good. I'm thinking to get a pro-coverage from GC on this as there is a very high failure rate.

    As I mentioned before I would like to use these with a small group singing and playing few instruments.

    - Any special cable required for hooking the mic to these speakers?
    - How about using this as the output of yamaha keyboard?
    - Do I need to have a sub for a complete effect?

    Please share your thoughts.
     
  24. thegoldenmackid macrumors 604

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    The AV40s use TRS or RCA L/R connections. Easiest solution is a RCA to 1/8th inch. Not sure about the other things like the keyboard, but 1/4 inch TRS and RCA are the standards in the Pro World. The cable mentioned above should cover just about everything else.
     

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