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Once again cancer is nothing to do with my comment. I said 'when he makes an effort'.

Effort to what? Look nice? Yeah cancer DOES take an impact on how a person looks. You loose your hair for one and jobs is in his mid to late 50s so I doubt the "natural hair loss" wouldn't have happend if he didn't get cancer. He may loose the remaining hair he has in about 15-20 years.
 
Effort to what? Look nice? Yeah cancer DOES take an impact on how a person looks. You loose your hair for one and jobs is in his mid to late 50s so I doubt the "natural hair loss" wouldn't have happend if he didn't get cancer. He may loose the remaining hair he has in about 15-20 years.

Yeah exactly.... he should make an effort to grow his hair back...:rolleyes:

Gimme a break. Quit throwing around cancer to back yourself up. You know it's not what people are talking about. He was wearing a suit in the picture. Now he wears a black turtle-neck and jeans.
 
Yeah exactly.... he should make an effort to grow his hair back...:rolleyes:

Gimme a break. Quit throwing around cancer to back yourself up. You know it's not what people are talking about. He was wearing a suit in the picture. Now he wears a black turtle-neck and jeans.

and? Your point is? Steve doesn't need to wear the black turtle neck and the tight girl jeans, but he does. He could come out in a White t shirt and shorts and the same thing will happen. An product will be announced. sure there will be a few hundred forum posts of people throwing a fit over him changing his "signature items"
 
Nothing worng with wearing a suit. Steve jobs wears the same thing each keynote starting with macworld 2000. (he wore a suit at keynote events 1997-1998 and then wore a white top at the 1999 keynotes) Shows how much you kids know about decentcy when you wear baggy clothes that show your butt ox.

Besides this topic should really be read by 18 +. Sexual harasment is something we dont need these kids learning


jesus dude, i've never been compelled to post in this forum until I started noticing your comments. you're either hilariously dryly sarcastic or a huge prude, and I have no idea which is the case.
 
and? Your point is? Steve doesn't need to wear the black turtle neck and the tight girl jeans, but he does. He could come out in a White t shirt and shorts and the same thing will happen. An product will be announced. sure there will be a few hundred forum posts of people throwing a fit over him changing his "signature items"

He doesn't need to now, he needed to then.

I see their point though, but this would defy Apple's business model.
 
Effort to what? Look nice? Yeah cancer DOES take an impact on how a person looks. You loose your hair for one and jobs is in his mid to late 50s so I doubt the "natural hair loss" wouldn't have happend if he didn't get cancer. He may loose the remaining hair he has in about 15-20 years.

Man, you must be the only person to not know what he means.
 
Cancer, middle age, and thinning hair have nothing to do with the clothes one wears. Name anyone with the above who cannot wear anything different due to their condition.

I think it's a sad reflection of our culture. So many people look like they just rolled out of a brown paper bag that it's become the norm. Just look at photos of people from the 50s, 40s, even depression era 30s, and prior.

Steve looks better suited to be cleaning the leaves out of his gutters. Asking anyone if they can do better is a logical fallacy...or is it a rhetorical question, because people can and do.

Still, I'm not hating on what he wears...exactly. I chalk it up to a billionaire's eccentricity, and I'm all for eccentricities. But man he looked SHARP when he testified before Congress...cancer, mid age, thinning hair, and all.

My question is (if anyone knows) is when he donned his trademark look? Was it an overnight...boom...now I'll only have one wardrobe. Or was it a more gradual process.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I wonder if his attire has anything to do with his practice of Zen Buddhism...where simplicity is a way of life. One wardrobe does make life simpler. I think that is one of the reasons for a monk or nun's (Christian, Buddhist, or whatever) habit. Although Steve would have looked far more sweet if he would have taken up a saffron robe...no wait...that's Theravada Buddhism.
 
As a former HP employee, I think I can safely say Crazy Larry is way off base here. Hurd did nothing but buy up companies, and cut jobs.

As another former HP employee, I tend to agree. However, Hurd did turn around what Carly Fiorina nearly destroyed. HP, you might remember, absorbed Compaq which had absorbed Tandem and DEC. Fiorina's only vision was to have a huge company. Other than that, she was the most clueless CEO I've seen in the technology sector in a long time. That said, I am particularly glad that I'm not working for HP right now. People I know who still work there have the deer in the headlights look from knowing their jobs are going away but not when.
I'm sure Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard have been spinning in their graves the past few years, seeing what has become of this once great company.
Yes...in fact when they were alive and running the show, HP was probably the prototype for Apple...a company whose employees were loyal because they were treated well and with respect.
 
I think it's a sad reflection of our culture. So many people look like they just rolled out of a brown paper bag that it's become the norm. Just look at photos of people from the 50s, 40s, even depression era 30s, and prior.

I have to agree. I think people used to dress better because it was considered respectful to the others around you, in the same way that people at least still wear suits to job interviews. In general I think people in modern society are much less respectful of others than 50 years ago, and it shows in the increased vulgarity and general sloppiness we see...

This is a general comment--not necessarily about Jobs' turtleneck.
 
CEOs almost never turn a company around by introducing new and better products and services, it is all pretty much by firing people and paying themselves.

Jobs certainly can be criticized for a number of things, but he turned Apple around by actually selling good stuff people want to buy.
 
Only in America. A guy gets a pieceofass and loses his job. :cool:

You haven't been the England I see. People get fired and quit at the drop of a hat over there over a sex scandal all the time. Hell, The Sun has a semi-regular column over that.
 
It's not that easy to get rid of good people, when you have the chance you must take it. With less good people around it's easier to look good, and it you don't even have to work on it.
 
Apples vs Oranges

You haven't been the England I see. People get fired and quit at the drop of a hat over there over a sex scandal all the time. Hell, The Sun has a semi-regular column over that.

This is America, not a 3rd world country like England, mired in outdated traditions that allow "royal" parasites to sit around on their royal behinds.:p
 
I noticed in CNET, they discussed one of Larry's presidents that would be a possible match for the new President of HP. That is probably one of the reasons for Larry's message.

I doubt if Larry would go that way. However, here is one from the wild side of the valley overheard and then joined in on a conversation at a martini bar in Palo Alto.

Supposedly, Microsoft is behind the HP CEO ouster.

Why? The logic over over a few martini's goes like this. The Palm buyout made it possible for HP to cut the entire Windows Mobile license from the HP portfolio. If the plans went ahead as the CEO wanted, HP would only license Windows 7 for laptops, desktops and servers. This could have killed the entire Windows Mobile division at Microsoft.

Whomever is the new CEO, they may be more friendly toward Microsoft and do a "fold and cut" on the Palm buyout. More bizarre things have happened in this valley in the name of "just business."

One of those things so ridiculous but workable, I'm still trying to think this one through.
 
Cancer, middle age, and thinning hair have nothing to do with the clothes one wears. Name anyone with the above who cannot wear anything different due to their condition.

I think it's a sad reflection of our culture. So many people look like they just rolled out of a brown paper bag that it's become the norm.

What's far more sad is you judging people based on something as completely superficial as what type of clothes they wear. As if it wasn't 100% personal preference...

:rolleyes:
 
What's far more sad is you judging people based on something as completely superficial as what type of clothes they wear. As if it wasn't 100% personal preference...

Completely superficial? Hardly. Lex orandi, lex credendi applies here. These “superficial” details are in a symbiotic relationship with everything else. Our culture has become increasingly sloppy, disrespectful, crude, thoughtless, and base. Personal preference? A small pebble in a pond creates ripples.

And Steve himself reportedly made hiring decisions based on something as superficial as what the candidate was wearing. What's good for the goose...

Details and aesthetics matter. If they didn’t why would anyone coo over Apple’s own often form over function products??? Why would Steve himself coo over…gorgeous, beautiful, stunning, etc?

“What's far more sad is you judging people…” But your judgment of me isn’t? Huh.
 
What's far more sad is you judging people based on something as completely superficial as what type of clothes they wear. As if it wasn't 100% personal preference...

The type of clothing someone wears in public isn't "entirely superficial", in that, as I mentioned before, it also conveys a sign of respect and consideration to those around you for the atmosphere/look they are trying to maintain. For example, most people would not show up in shorts, tank top, and flip-flops to a friend's wedding, job interview, or to an important meeting with potential customers, etc., even if it was hot and humid. Why not? Because if they did, most people would label them as "jerks" precisely because it shows that they are too self-centered to care about anything but their own comfort or to take more than 5 minutes to throw on whatever may be lying around the room.

OK, in this thread, the discussion was over the contrast between Jobs' suit in the 1980's picture and the jeans/turtleneck today and not shorts and flip-flops. But I'm just commenting on the general trend at all levels of society toward down-dressing during the last few decades, where there are fewer and fewer occasions and circumstances where people actually dress decently, much less well.
 
Look how smart Steve looked back when he used to make an effort.
I read the headline.
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