You crack me up, lol
That would be a sad way, to fade into oblivion. Top talent seeing the writing on the wall, leaving gradually, and then a trickle turning into a torrent.....Too depressing to contemplate.
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Larry Ellison Hints at Bleak Future For Apple Without Steve Jobs
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You crack me up, lol
That would be a sad way, to fade into oblivion. Top talent seeing the writing on the wall, leaving gradually, and then a trickle turning into a torrent.....Too depressing to contemplate.
Did you know there actually was a PowerMac 9600? It was the top of their line at the time. I always wanted one but couldn't afford it on my $10 a week allowance.
I think he was in awe of Steve, and Steve tolerated him. What he is saying is a slap in the face to Steve's memory. Steve built the new version of Apple to fire on all cylinders without him. Ellison is saying Steve failed and so Apple will fail without Steve.
God damn I hate agreeing with a "Steve would have never allowed this", but this is something I agree on. This is something I feel would've pissed him off to no end. He took alot of small details too serious, so things like this? Yeah. He probably wouldn't like it.
BUT, that's not to say he's right. A plastic cheap iPhone does make sense and I just love the hell out of iOS 7. If this would've been suggested under his watch, he probably would've fired the person suggesting it. But I read in his biography he told Tim cook "don't think about how I would run the company and what would I do. Run it the way you think is best"
Agh, them iOS 7 icons again... Get use to them as they will NOT change and there is nothing inconsistent about graphic design in iOS 7 either.
This is not what will bring Apple down, lack of progress and innovation on hardware front will.
I.e investing in plastic crap iPhone 5C alongside with yet another boring, the same looking 5S instead of releasing bigger, wider screen one, will definitely not go very well with investors and potential iPhone buyers.
Just watch those shares tumbling down after 9/10...
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I don't belive scully brought any of his people in Apple. Jobs was kicked out of exec position by his friends (markula, was not suported by wiz, ext) cause he had no concept of spending to much money on products.
One of Jobs great side of being CEO was when he saw great product or component, he would make up his mind in 10 minutes. Other bigger companies would have surveys and some suit-and-tie-non-tech people to "look at this product" and would take them 3 months do decide (according to Steve Jobs book).
Also in Steve Jobs book, there is quote from Steve who said "Tim Cook is great, but he is no product person. He is not person for inovation" (this is not exact quote). Now, knowing that, i don't know why he would have timmy for CEO, but maybe others were worse? Mansifeld was/is all about money, Eddy Cue and Phil Schiller are marketing persons, Ive is hardware designer (his big task is iOS 7 and is not gods work as people here taught it would be since for them Ive is nothing short than second comming of christ). Maybe Forstall was in the game but was on Jobs 1.0 level, to young and wild. Maybe there will be Forstall 2.0 who can do something good for Apple again.
Ive is hardware designer...he had bromance with steve but he was not heart of Apple. iPod (who brought Apple back in spotlight) was NOT Ive's child. It was actually of engineer who took products available at the moment and did the work. And software team who made iTunes. Without iTunes, iPod would not be so big.
And dont forget that Ive (and steve) was responsible for antenna-gate on iPhone 4. But some engineer lost his jobs while Ive was smiling.
And Ives presentation on stage was...mediocre at best. No wonder they dont want him there.
Dude, Steve was the company, how could he not have cared?
There has never been a CEO that that much influenced a company ever.Let's not overstate what Jobs did.
The original iMac merely packaged relatively dated hardware, and an incredibly dated co-operative multitasking OS, into a cool case. Apple, even at that point, still had a 'cool brand factor' so Jobs, for the first time, really leveraged that. The iMac was cool enough to become an iconic consumer products but market share barely shifted overall. Still, it stopped the rot, and the drift away from Apple in the pro markets was halted.
Next came a lot of rubbish in amongst the good stuff to be honest. A toilet seat laptop? A cube that had less spec than a tower but cost more. The same basic iMac design in lots of colour, including flower power. The iApps were a good move, though, making an iMac a much more complete experience out of the box than a typical PC.
Then came the move that Steve Jobs' return was all about - taking neXt's OS, rather than an in-house solution or BeOS, updating it, and rebranding it Mac OS X. Soon Apple went from having an 80s-era OS to the most advanced on the planet.
Right away all-new pro-apps like Maya came on board, Final Cut, now on a tougher OS, made huge progress. The move to Intel opened up Xeon workstations. Xserve was a great enterprise server. There was even rumour of Apple looking to buy commercial unix vendors to get into the enterprise.
But then the iPod came about. Initially a Mac-only refined mp3 player it, of course, went crazy. Then iTunes launched and Apple had an easy-money machine on their hands.
But Jobs' final errors were forgetting that consumers, while a massive market, are fickle and to a large extent throwing the loyal pro market in the trash. Many a small fashion brand has become flavour of the month, expanded like crazy, then struggled as next year's thing takes over. iPhone was the cool thing for several years, but now it's phablets, next year it'll be some other shiny thing.
The original iMac merely packaged relatively dated hardware, and an incredibly dated co-operative multitasking OS, into a cool case. Apple, even at that point, still had a 'cool brand factor' so Jobs, for the first time, really leveraged that. The iMac was cool enough to become an iconic consumer products but market share barely shifted overall. Still, it stopped the rot, and the drift away from Apple in the pro markets was halted.
Next came a lot of rubbish in amongst the good stuff to be honest. A toilet seat laptop? A cube that had less spec than a tower but cost more. The same basic iMac design in lots of colour, including flower power. The iApps were a good move, though, making an iMac a much more complete experience out of the box than a typical PC.
Then came the move that Steve Jobs' return was all about - taking neXt's OS, rather than an in-house solution or BeOS, updating it, and rebranding it Mac OS X. Soon Apple went from having an 80s-era OS to the most advanced on the planet.
Right away all-new pro-apps like Maya came on board, Final Cut, now on a tougher OS, made huge progress. The move to Intel opened up Xeon workstations. Xserve was a great enterprise server. There was even rumour of Apple looking to buy commercial unix vendors to get into the enterprise.
But then the iPod came about. Initially a Mac-only refined mp3 player it, of course, went crazy. Then iTunes launched and Apple had an easy-money machine on their hands.
But Jobs' final errors were forgetting that consumers, while a massive market, are fickle and to a large extent throwing the loyal pro market in the trash. Many a small fashion brand has become flavour of the month, expanded like crazy, then struggled as next year's thing takes over. iPhone was the cool thing for several years, but now it's phablets, next year it'll be some other shiny thing.
For anyone interested there is a very well written article on iDownloadBlog:
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/0...e-doomsayer-camp-heres-why-hes-disillusioned/
Certainly worth few minutes of your time...
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/0...e-doomsayer-camp-heres-why-hes-disillusioned/
Certainly worth few minutes of your time...
That's kind what I was thinking. Back then he was ousted by people who didn't share his vision, in fact who arguably had no real vision (or at least not one worth anything long-term).
This time he has left many who share a vision, or at least have something heading in the same direction.
Ellison really sees the world in 1's and 0's.
Apple will be fine without Jobs. All the people he left in charge were what made Apple great. Steve Jobs was one man and he helped set the foundation.
When he left in the 80's the people who were there hated him. They did not follow his vision for the company they didn't believe in him and they didn't want to do anything that he wanted them to.
That is not true now. The Apple today is very different. Everyone knows Steve was a Genius everyone respects what he has done. Everyone tries to think like Steve thought.
And all they need is a bunch of people to be a barometer of quality which is what they have and the company will be fine.
Apple will be fine without Jobs. All the people he left in charge were what made Apple great. Steve Jobs was one man and he helped set the foundation.
When he left in the 80's the people who were there hated him. They did not follow his vision for the company they didn't believe in him and they didn't want to do anything that he wanted them to.
That is not true now. The Apple today is very different. Everyone knows Steve was a Genius everyone respects what he has done. Everyone tries to think like Steve thought.
And all they need is a bunch of people to be a barometer of quality which is what they have and the company will be fine.
Apple is doomed.
Hey, Larry, how's that Sun acquisition working out for you? Things running smoothly on the Java team? Image
Exactly what I was thinking, this guy hasn't got a clue. Oracle seems like its flying blind these days so it doesn't matter what ever way anyone thinks Apple is going its probably best not to listen to this guy.
This is all you need to see. All is well.
Bar one crazy blip year brought on by stupid investors and media hype ( not apples for once )
And who thinks Larry looks like a Botox Mickey Rourke these days?
Bar one crazy blip year brought on by stupid investors and media hype ( not apples for once
)And who thinks Larry looks like a Botox Mickey Rourke these days?
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Timothy Cook has always been set to fail at taking over Steve Jobs legacy.. If would ever be able to recreate what Steve has done at Apple that would be one of the most impressive things in history.
It's quite funny how people expect Tim to keep growing the tree into heaven even after it's creator has gone. I don't think Steve himself ever believed or wanted Tim to keep going down the same path, it would simply be impossible in the long term as Tim and Steve are not the same person, we have yet to see anyone like Steve in this business and most likely never will.
One should really ask oneself what would really be different if Steve Jobs was still around, what kind of breathtaking devices would he have pulled out of his hat that Tim has not done up to this point? It's not like it's been a decade without Steve Jobs, so it's not like Apple hasn't done anything after his death. It was not like Steve Jobs pulled out some crazy ground-breaking new device each year, normally it would take several years between the big stuff and mostly it was only redefinitions of existing products like introducing the iPod Mini, then the Nano etc..
It seems like people have got spoiled, now a days people seem to expect revolutionary productions and innovation at every corner and everyone and their mother seems to be looking at Apple to lead the way into the future every year, at every conference. That's just stupid, people need to get their exceptions down to a more realistic level and you'll see that one of these days Apple or some other company will come up with something revolutionary and innovative, it's just not happening every year as people for some reason have started to expect.
It's even funnier how Apple is supposedly required to revolutionize and innovate year in and year out, at the same time as people are cheering for companies like Samsung every single time they come up with a half-decent specc bump on their device, oh the irony of this generation.
It's quite funny how people expect Tim to keep growing the tree into heaven even after it's creator has gone. I don't think Steve himself ever believed or wanted Tim to keep going down the same path, it would simply be impossible in the long term as Tim and Steve are not the same person, we have yet to see anyone like Steve in this business and most likely never will.
One should really ask oneself what would really be different if Steve Jobs was still around, what kind of breathtaking devices would he have pulled out of his hat that Tim has not done up to this point? It's not like it's been a decade without Steve Jobs, so it's not like Apple hasn't done anything after his death. It was not like Steve Jobs pulled out some crazy ground-breaking new device each year, normally it would take several years between the big stuff and mostly it was only redefinitions of existing products like introducing the iPod Mini, then the Nano etc..
It seems like people have got spoiled, now a days people seem to expect revolutionary productions and innovation at every corner and everyone and their mother seems to be looking at Apple to lead the way into the future every year, at every conference. That's just stupid, people need to get their exceptions down to a more realistic level and you'll see that one of these days Apple or some other company will come up with something revolutionary and innovative, it's just not happening every year as people for some reason have started to expect.
It's even funnier how Apple is supposedly required to revolutionize and innovate year in and year out, at the same time as people are cheering for companies like Samsung every single time they come up with a half-decent specc bump on their device, oh the irony of this generation.
Maybe this is true. But it was also said that he laid out 4 years of pipeline before he died. That was what he was doing before he died because he knew Apple (without Steve) needed direction while they adjusted. You can't expect the company to remain the same. Besides the fact he is no longer able to do what he did and whip people into line or adjust his ideas and process of thought as events change (the pipeline doesn't have that part of his influence any longer). But also a company that does not change is at risk of being left behind. It's believed by many that in fact Apple are being left behind in in the mobile communications industry. But as is always the case, nothing is written in stone, success or failure. The plastic "affordable" iPhone is a step towards strengthening the company in an area that it is clearly failing its customer base, "being left behind".
Where I live (Australia) if you go into a mobile store it's clear what is most likely to sell, many people simply can't afford the iPhone 5. I can't. I'm paying through the nose with Telstra just to keep my iPhone 3Gs in service using "bring your own". Just so you know, I live in a rural town so Telstra is pretty much my only choice if I don't want to remain in the dark ages. It would actually be cheaper for me to go with an android phone than to keep this old thing going. However I can't stand the thought since I helped setup a few family members 3G's and that was enough to scare me off the idea. As it happens I'm going to invest in buying an older iPhone outright. Waiting to see what the lower cost iPhone will cost. Otherwise I might have to take advantage of the brief period where 4s is still in stock.
Ok I'll stop now. Food for thought.
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Uhm, you know that the original iPhone was not plastic, while all it succesors (3G, 3GS), until the iPhone 4, were in fact plastic, right?
Ellison is an egomaniac. He just loves everyone talking about him. He knew his statement would get people riled up. It's just his schtick. He likes to be provocative for the sake of being provocative. This is the kind of thing John C. Dvorak used to say. Let it pass.
Ellison is brilliant. But he's no longer all that relevant. Just another silicon valley billionaire who has lost touch.
Ellison is brilliant. But he's no longer all that relevant. Just another silicon valley billionaire who has lost touch.
Unfortunately he's probably right. As good as Tim Cook is, he can't manipulate the media impression of Apple as Jobs did. Apple are probably innovating now as much as they ever did but there's radio silence from Tim Cook. OK, he can't spill the beans but just to keep repeating over again 'we want to build the best products' is wearing a bit thin especially as it was a 1990s Steve Jobs mantra in the first place.
Jobs was a brilliant smoke and mirrors guy - he could get both the media and the pundits enthused about next to nothing if Apple needed a bit more time to release a forthcoming product. It never seemed that long between big steps as it does under Cook.
Leadership is more than just great talent and logistics; it requires an element of cunning!
Jobs was a brilliant smoke and mirrors guy - he could get both the media and the pundits enthused about next to nothing if Apple needed a bit more time to release a forthcoming product. It never seemed that long between big steps as it does under Cook.
Leadership is more than just great talent and logistics; it requires an element of cunning!
