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As others have pointed out, everyone salivating over the idea of consumer gadgets at WWDC might want to calm down. The G5 was justs released to the professional and home user market as the powerful topend that it's supposed to be, and Apple has gone on record as stating that the PowerBook and iMac are a ways off from getting a G5 under the hood. While true that the iMac is getting a little long in the tooth, it doesn't necessarily mean that there will be anything at WWDC, because it would be logistically stupid to introduce one machine when you're trying to get its succesor out as fast as possible.

I won't say it's impossible that either will show up at the conference, but I find it extremely unlikely without the webcast being done as it was lasst year. The displays, operating system, and software that will likely be shown are of more interest to developers - both hardware and software - than to the general mac user. They need to see this stuff now so that they can work towards the official release of Tiger.

Remember, the G4 showed up first in a PowerMac in October of 1999, clocking at 350mhz and costing $1,599 at the low end. The iMac was a 350mhz G3 at the time. Two and a half years later, in January of 2002, the flat-panel iMac marked the arrival of the G4 in the consumer model, at 700mhz. At the same time, the PowerMac was 800mhz at the low end and cost $100 more than the mid-level iMac - $1,599.

It was a shorter, but still lengthy, wait for the PowerBook G4 - January of 2001, which meant a year and a half instead of two and a half. At the time the towers were G4s, the PowerBook were 400mhz G3s.

So far, the G5 hasn't gotten anywhere close to the wait for the G4.
 
Rocketfella said:
Hmmm, the new rumored display pricing makes for a more difficult purchasing decision.

Someone posted a rumor that the new displays would be less reliable than the old. Can anyone substantiate that rumor or give more info?

If true, why would this be?

well it is pretty hard to determine reliability when the product isn't announced yet. :D
 
So that those of us outside the US don't have to manually work it all out, 10:00 Pacific = 17:00 GMT.
 
Just because there is now a 20" display at $1300, and there may be a 20" display tomorrow at $1300, that does not mean nothing has changed. The current apple displays lag badly in LCD technology. The 20" has a contrast of 350:1, which, frankly, sucks. This update could also improve the viewing angle, brightness, resolution (unlikely) and refresh rate, as well as add ports.

All 20" LCDs are no more equal than all laptops with 1 Ghz processors are equal. Bottom line is that even if apple releases new 20" and 23" displays tomorrow at the same prices, they could be significantly better bargains than they are now. Because right now we are paying top dollar for second rate tech - top dollar for first rate tech would be a lot better.

We'll see soon enough.
 
thedogcow said:
So basically if you're buying the new 23inch, you get the new design but without the 500 brilliant savings rebate?

That sucks

But it's NEWER!

OK, everyone, let's go ahead and get everything out:
* What, no, WiFi iPod?
* What, no G5 iMac?
* What, no pizza box?
* What, no G5 PowerMac?
 
newamiga said:
I don't know about you but the Europe ITMS announcement was not the typical Stevenote in terms of energy. I think he will really hit it tomorrow. They have been so quiet about this one and then the Tiger posters at the hall. I just can't imagine a dead show. Steve will come through. Just wish I could be there this year instead of on a plane. May have to break the rules and see if my T-Mobile Sidekick can get reception at 35000 ft.

You're right, he did seem very tired. I hope it was just jet-lag or something, but I began to get really concerned when during the middle of the announcement he completely forgot what he was showing to the crowd. I hope nothing's wrong with him. :(
 
another thing - just for the sake of comparison, the current apple 20" vs. a Sony 20":

Apple:
1680x1050 resolution
170 degree viewing angle
230 cd/m2 (brightness)
350:1 (contrast)
$1300

Sony:
1600x1200 (not widescreen)
170 degree viewing angle
250 cd/m2
500:1
$1100

The sony has better tech for less money. If the apple is going to cost more, let's at least hope that tomorrow's updates bring the tech up to par or better. Of course, better tech for $1000 would be great too. :)
 
thatwendigo said:
The G5 was justs released to the professional and home user market as the powerful topend that it's supposed to be, and Apple has gone on record as stating that the PowerBook and iMac are a ways off from getting a G5 under the hood.
Actually they only said the Powerbook was a ways off. They made no such statement for the iMac, only that putting a G5 in it would be a challenge.
The displays, operating system, and software that will likely be shown are of more interest to developers - both hardware and software - than to the general mac user.
Last year there was Panther, G5 towers, and iChat AV, all of which are very interesting to regular users.
So far, the G5 hasn't gotten anywhere close to the wait for the G4.
True, but the G3 was a competitive processor when the iMac was still using it. Today, the G4 isn't, especially at the iMac's price points. The iMac needs a G5 (and a price cut) yesterday, and Apple would be nuts not to release it as soon as possible. There's no way they'd hold off on G5 iMacs until they can go into Powerbooks as well. Unfortunately it's looking increasingly like they *can't* get a G5 into the iMac today, which is disturbing. If IBM doesn't get better somewhat soon, Steve may be dusting off the x86 plan again.
 
Porchland said:
* What, no, WiFi iPod?
* What, no G5 iMac?
* What, no pizza box?
* What, no G5 PowerMac?

* What, no Cube?
* What, no DVR?
* What, no PDA?
* What, no gaming console?

;)
 
Freg3000 said:
Pricing is a big no-no.....why the hell did it take 18 months for a 20 inch display at $1299 to become.......a 20 inch display at $1299 with some extra ports???

WHY?

I highly agree. Granted, an Apple Display is a cool thing to have, but at those prices - I'm simply going to keep my old TFT (Sony 17" X-Series).

If those prices are true: no Apple Displays for me... at least not anytime soon. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere (on other gadgets ;))

let's wait and see.
 
If the new iMac G5 is going to be marketed as a pro-sumer machine, then wouldn't it make sense to introduce it at WWDC. I'm going with AppleInsider on this one, all the people that are saying that there is no way for Apple to intro a consumer device at a developer's conference are still stuck in the mindset of the iMac being a consumer product. I think that with the iMac upgrade tomorrow we will also see the iMac "redefined" as a product that can be useful as a high-end consumer machine and a low-end professional machine. The upgraded iMac will be a kind of bridge.
 
New Displays

I am in the market for a new G5, depending on whether there will be an iMac announced with one will determine if I get a tower or not. I admit to really liking the idea of new displays but I agree with some of the previous posters that if the price doesn't come down or some other insanely GREAT features are added I am not getting an Apple monitor. The Sony referenced above sounds like a winner to me. I own their tv's and really like them.
 
I think steve needs to do something drastic with the displays and prices, would like to throw a new 20" aluminum G5 matching display with my new powerbook, say for about $899.

Also where is that 17" widescreen from the powerbook and iMac, come on that thing would sell like crazy, perfect size and for something like $599.

MY FIRST POST!!! NEWLY SWITCHED MAC USER IN JUNE 04'!!! :D
 
geez, i hope apple updates the iMac line or introduces a replacement product. if they don't, my brother is going to kill me, because he has been waiting for months due to my insistence that there would be a refresh.
 
windowsblowsass said:
so do we have any news on what the displays will look like

Here is an artist's rendition.. I hope apple legal doesn't make me take it down

new-apple-screens.jpg
 
the 23" display rebate is still being advertised. not that it matters much i don[t think. just tired and bored. peach cobbler then bed, i swear.
 
Shipping??

Whaddya think? Displays are released tommorow, don't ship till august?

What has been the track record on new additions to the display line?

I got a 2.5 G5 on the way, and I don't want it to be lonely... :eek:
 
joeboy_45101 said:
I think Steve needs to bitch slap Gates. I'd pay to see that! :D

Ok, I'm coming out. I know I'm under a NDA, but still... yes, that happens tomorrow! He will introduce Tiger, a few features, and then everyone will be asked to look under their seats for a mock head of Gates. Then everyone gets to bitch slap him, but Steve on stage. Ok, that's the big news people. Sorry to ruin it for you.
–Chase
 
Soire said:
Whaddya think? Displays are released tommorow, don't ship till august?

What has been the track record on new additions to the display line?

I got a 2.5 G5 on the way, and I don't want it to be lonely... :eek:

I think since after the first introduction, almost instant.
–Chase
 
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