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broken_keyboard said:
Apple also used to boast about how many users were watching online. I remember Steve welcoming all those who were watching on the web. It seems like the place is always packed at a keynote, I can't imagine they'd stop showing it live because of ticket sales, but, well, who knows.
Safari 2.0, anytime soon or part of Tiger?
I'm so excited, especially about Tiger, I hope it's going to be a kick-ass new OS X version and not just a lame update to Panther. What about Safari 2.0? Will it be part of Tiger only or will it be released as a stand alone version anytime soon? Any ideas?
I'm so excited, especially about Tiger, I hope it's going to be a kick-ass new OS X version and not just a lame update to Panther. What about Safari 2.0? Will it be part of Tiger only or will it be released as a stand alone version anytime soon? Any ideas?
Zaty said:
me too
. I think Safari 2.0 would be a free download. Since it always has been, I don't think they would only include it with Tiger. Unless they do what they did with iChat, and make it cost something, I really hope not though. Maybe it will be released tomorrow 
3.1416 said:
Macworld reports:
While Boger didn't give a timeframe for an iMac G5, he did say the company faced similar challenges getting a G5 to work with their consumer desktop.
"It's the same story -- the challenges are obvious when you look at the G5 and the size of the heatsinks and the enclosure; that would be a heck of a challenge as well."
"It's the same story -- the challenges are obvious when you look at the G5 and the size of the heatsinks and the enclosure; that would be a heck of a challenge as well."
I reiterate: "It's the same story."
That being said, the only way I can see a quiet G5 iMac showing up is if it's either liquid cooled and vastly more expensive than the current model, or if it's clocked down ridiculously low. Either way, it's not what people here are looking for, because it's not some amazing, cheap, single processor dream machine that rubs your back and cooks your dinner while making sure the dog is put out - while also paying for itself b doing tricks outside your house with that wireless display everyone yammers about, like some kind of street performer.
The G5 is competitive at dual-processor levels, and a single that isn't higher clocked is going to have the same issues that people who don't understand how system design can affect performance have always whined about. It'll be "too slow" compared to some nebulous $400 machine that, when examined, turns out to have all kinds of crippling factors about it.
Take a look at Apple's history of releasing products. Here's a hint: It's only last year that they did a huge, sweeping show at WWDC that would interest consumers.
The G4 is still competitive... just not as a single processor. People love to trot this statement out, but have never, ever managed to show me a production machine that does what Apple's design do at the same price. Once you include all the software and usability of the mac, things get even uglier on the PC, since that tends to weigh in around an extra $250-300.
I've been playing this game a long time and I haven't lost yet.
It's about as disturbing as realizing that no major manufacturers are offering something as tiny and quiet as the iMac with a major desktop processor and all the goodies that come with the G5. Find something as small as the iMac, as elegant as the iMac, with the ease of use and security of OS X and iLife, the quietness, the range of external expansion options, and a nice - non-generic - LCD display.
Now show me how it can be done under the Apple price point by more than the typical PowerPC tax. Hint: It doesn't exist.
Not this tired old saw again...
So, if Apple goes x86, then what happens to all the programmers who have to shift their code over to the new APIs? What happens to legacy users who don't have x86 hardware? It would be hard enough for Apple to maintain a branching 32 and 64 bit separation on their OS, but to have the two major platforms instead? Suicide, plain and simple.
This says nothing of piracy, lack of security, driver creep, bloat, support nightmares, lack of hardware revenue (which means severe lack of profit for Apple) and other concerns.
The day that they release Mac OS on x86 hardware is the day Apple truly begins to do what the media has forever claimed they would - die.
MacFan26 said:Apple also used to boast about how many users were watching online. I remember Steve welcoming all those who were watching on the web. It seems like the place is always packed at a keynote, I can't imagine they'd stop showing it live because of ticket sales, but, well, who knows.
I guess there is still a small chance that there will be a life broadcast. The earlier Apple annouces the live stream the more people will watch which could lead to bandwith constraints.
EDIT: I just read Apple confirmed there would be no broadcast, oh dear
Zaty said:
Good question about Safari. Isn't is the case that the current version of Safari doesn't run on 10.2 Jaguar? So maybe people who don't upgrade to Tiger won't get Safari 2
broken_keyboard said:
That's excatly why I asked that question. OTH, if Safari was ready I don't think they would wait until the release of Tiger. They could still include Safari 2.1 with Tiger.
QCassidy352 said:Another quick comparison: the formac 2010. A 20" monitor with just as good a viewing angle, 250 brightness, and a stellar 600:1 contrast ratio. AND, formac guarantees no more than 2 dead pixels - or you get a new one. I don't believe apple's policy is that generous (it wasn't even close about a year ago, but they may have gotten on the ball.) All for the same $1300 apple charges.
The bottom line is that there are quite a few options out there with specs that are the same or better for equal or less money. I've given you two very quick examples, and there are more out there. Apple is combining good-but-not-great specs with top end pricing. I'm not sure how or why you're defending that.
Anyway, hopefully it'll all be better in the morning.
Well we both look at it from different angles I guess. I disagree with you on some points. I spend a lot of time looking at other companies and products they offer. Formac has been hit and miss for me so even though they now have that 2 pixel promise, still not as reliable. And please don't get me wrong, Formac is not a bad company. There are some other companies out there making LCD that are not as great. Some that are (Sony has been good IMO).
Ahh, its getting late. I am not defending the price level staying the same, for what it is worth. I agree, the prices can, and should drop. Like you, I hope if will all be better in the morning.
Probably wants to cut down on the number of people he has to say "actually I was bullsh1tting you about Dual 3GHz" to simultaneously.MacFan26 said:Apple also used to boast about how many users were watching online. I remember Steve welcoming all those who were watching on the web. It seems like the place is always packed at a keynote, I can't imagine they'd stop showing it live because of ticket sales, but, well, who knows.
I just came back from the Ginza Store in Tokyo, and they had a white curtin covering half the floor on the ground floor. The people at the store obviously won't tell me!!! There has to be something big!
Skiniftz said:
That's what a lot of people have already said, and if you look up this same page, there's a guy rebutting all that stuff. I thought the same, it's already been discussed in these and a few other threads thoguh.
Skiniftz said:Probably wants to cut down on the number of people he has to say "actually I was bullsh1tting you about Dual 3GHz" to simultaneously.
haha, good point.
Icekey said:I just came back from the Ginza Store in Tokyo, and they had a white curtin covering half the floor on the ground floor. The people at the store obviously won't tell me!!! There has to be something big!
um..... good news??? i hope.....
please be something big.... if anyone lives near a store ge your ass down there and check for white sheets
AL-FAMOUS said:
If it wasn't 2 AM I would
. I wonder if that would mean hardware announcement. Would they have to put up something like that for a OS preview?edit: you beat me to the 2 AM comment
klaus said:that's no problem, put on some clothes, hop on ur bike and go look
I'll be sure to bring my spy gear so I can cut a hole in the glass that makes the roof of the mall the store is in, then bungy down, doing all sorts of cool 007 moves as I evade mall security to check out the store
Okay, IceKey's post is getting me kinda excited.
They wont be covering Tiger signs, because the release for that will be october at the soonest.
I doubt they will be covering displays. Who cares?
I think there is something bigger. Something that not even thinksecret has caught up on.
They wont be covering Tiger signs, because the release for that will be october at the soonest.
I doubt they will be covering displays. Who cares?
I think there is something bigger. Something that not even thinksecret has caught up on.
good attitude!MacFan25863 said:I'll be sure to bring my spy gear so I can cut a hole in the glass that makes the roof of the mall the store is in, then bungy down, doing all sorts of cool 007 moves as I evade mall security to check out the store
take a new display for me while you are at it
and do it mr bean - style, skateboard, yellow gloves, funny face