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You mean you hope Apple will put HSDPA in the next iPhone. Much like people are hoping they put a plethora of other features there.

HSPA (or just HSDPA) is the most likely choice, Europe seems to have skipped W-CDMA/UMTS altogether for HSDPA, this is what AT&T is using, and well, I haven't really looked up the details on the other carriers in a while, but it's still a reasonable assumption to say that Apple is going to adopt HSPA.

Sebastian
 
I have to spoil the fun but this is a standard feature in all 3G phones. It would be silly from Apple not to provide this option as the difference in battery life is significant.

Don't be too hasty. My 3G phone does not have this option. I looked for it before, and I just looked for it again.
 
If AT&T are going for HSDPA then it would be unbelievably silly to suppose that Apple are not.

HSPA (or just HSDPA) is the most likely choice, Europe seems to have skipped W-CDMA/UMTS altogether for HSDPA, this is what AT&T is using, and well, I haven't really looked up the details on the other carriers in a while, but it's still a reasonable assumption to say that Apple is going to adopt HSPA.

Sebastian

It's all speculation until there is an announcement or release date. It could be iPhone 2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0.

Not that I disagree, just that we won't know until it comes.
 
Now how about an upgrade program where you take your old, outdated and totally obsolete iPhone to Apple and they just add the 3G chip in there for a reasonable fee? I mean, people are stuck with their EDGE iPhones for 2 years, right?

No, you're stuck with AT&T for 2 years.

You can get a new phone, but i think they make you extend your contract...
 
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Apple making a 3G iPhone - who would have thought?

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Especially after both AT&T and Apple have said such a phone is coming! It is nice people are digging into the new software releases but really what is needed is new dirt. That is stuff we don't know about.

Dave
 
for my money, iPhone v2.0 will only add standard 3G and a 3.2MP camera probably.

I think iPhone v3.0 will add HSDPA and more features - like hopefully GPS. That will be the version I'm holding out for - not paying £300+ when my current iPhone does most of what the next will do. I lack disposable income :)
 
HSPA (or just HSDPA) is the most likely choice, Europe seems to have skipped W-CDMA/UMTS altogether for HSDPA, this is what AT&T is using, and well, I haven't really looked up the details on the other carriers in a while, but it's still a reasonable assumption to say that Apple is going to adopt HSPA.

Hang on, you can't have HSDPA without W-CDMA/UMTS. All calls are still made using standard 3G W-CDMA/UMTS, and only non-voice data is carried slightly differently via HSDPA. It's a fairly similar relationship to GSM which had EDGE as the "high speed" data system.

It's very easy though for the chip manufacturers that supported GPRS to add support for EDGE, and in the same way they can take their 3G designs and add HSDPA. If Apple is going to support 3G, it will have HSDPA.
 
HSPA (or just HSDPA) is the most likely choice, Europe seems to have skipped W-CDMA/UMTS altogether for HSDPA, this is what AT&T is using, and well, I haven't really looked up the details on the other carriers in a while, but it's still a reasonable assumption to say that Apple is going to adopt HSPA.

Sebastian

Nope, Europe didnt skip UMTS but they did skip EDGE as it came around about the same time EDGE did and UMTS is obviously superior.
 
Possibly they are offering an option to turn off 3G to conserve power, similar to the ability to turn off WiFi. In other words, maybe 3G doesn't take as much power as EDGE, but Apple wants to give you the option to conserve your battery life as long as possible.
 
No, you're stuck with AT&T for 2 years.

You can get a new phone, but i think they make you extend your contract...

As long as you don't change your plan you can change your phone to your heart's content (With the exception of subsidized upgrades from AT&T itself).

Thats the great thing about GSM ... just swap the swim and go go go.

AT&T does NOT have separate data plans for 3G so if the new iphone s 3G capable a sim swap should be all that is necessary.

This leads me to believe the subsidize thing will ring true. AT&T wants a way for you to be locked in more more years.
 
The ability to turn off 3G and use Edge to save battery life is really, really smart! Great thinking, Apple!
 
What I get from this setting is that Apple is giving you the ability to conserve power for Data only - e.g. use HSDPA (on) or EDGE (off).

However, this then poses a new question - is the iPhone 2 still a GSM phone with 3G data capability? This then would still limit the marketability of the new iPhone 2 into countries like Japan (where there is no GSM) or remote areas like outside Australian cities (where GSM is not available, but Telstra's NextG is on UMTS / WCDMA).

So, is the new iPhone still GSM, or will it support UMTS / WCDMA instead of GSM for Voice? Time will tell if Apple has really made a true 3G / 3.5G device (Voice and Data), or GSM with 3G data. I personally would be disappointed if it were the latter ...

All 3G/GSM phones in existence are in either GSM mode or in 3G mode at one specific time. This means that both, voice calls and data go through either GSM or 3G. The iPhone will be no different and while in 3G your calls will go through 3G network.

Actually there are important benefits of doing calls through 3G with AT&T because the call quality is much better. When using GSM for voice calls in AT&T many times they force you to use the lower quality ARM-HR(amr half rate) voice codec. When in 3G you are always using AMR-FR (amr full rate) which sounds a lot better.

Also 3G brings the benefit of being to call and do data at the same time. You'll lose that if you switch 3G off.
 
The 700 MHz spectrum, and in particular the C block that Verizon holds and is under open access rules is just a really good piece of spectrum that can reach quite far and get through walls easily, but it's all a matter of how Verizon and AT&T (who also picked up a decent amount of spectrum, though not the C block) uses it.

They're planning to use it for their 4G Long Term Evolution network, and the technology for that looks like it's going to be OFDM for the downlink and SC-FDMA for the uplink, I haven't done any research on those or EPS (Evolved Packet System), E-UTRAN (Evolved UTRAN), or EPC (Evolved Packet Core) yet though as I just found out about it this morning and haven't even confirmed it yet.

Anyway, HSOPA (a preliminary standard to LTE or whatever the final name ends up being) is capable of 100 Mbps down and 50 Mbps up, though it's still limited by the base connection to the tower so actual user speeds (and throughput) will probably end up being slower.

In other words, it should function as both your primary connection (for your laptop and your mobile phone) and as your business line very very well. Verizon is planning their 4G rollout in 2010, AT&T has barely got 3G out the door but their rollout looks to be faster than I thought so maybe they can start their 4G network as well by around 2011 or 2012.

NTT DoCoMo unfortunately looks to be splitting from the LTE though I hoped whatever they were developing would become the LTE standard, their 4G technology is the first in the world to reach a 5 Gbps outdoor transmission.

Sebastian

You need to start a blog. People would be interested in this stuff, if it was explained plainly.

tom
 
HSPA (or just HSDPA) is the most likely choice, Europe seems to have skipped W-CDMA/UMTS altogether for HSDPA, this is what AT&T is using, and well, I haven't really looked up the details on the other carriers in a while, but it's still a reasonable assumption to say that Apple is going to adopt HSPA.

Sebastian

Are you kidding? Europe has had WCDMA/UMTS since 2001. Just two years ago they started deploying HSDPA, and actually later on than AT&T in the US.
 
Apple wasn't the first to do this, yet they continue to receive all the credit.

Right, people should be pissed because Apple added this!


Back off....people are glad the iPhone will soon have the feature, and hopefully 3G phones w/o this feature should get it soon. And phones who have it now, great!
 
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