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Then you are right :). All I see on most forums like here, Gizmodo, and ect is stupidity and ignorance. You are given then choice to turn on and use imessage. No one forced you. It is not a requirement in order to use an ios device. Not everyone who who switches has this problem either. In fact, it honestly is a very small subsection of people who switch that actually run into and still have this problem. Myself, until this past year I wasn't an apple fan at all. Due to circumstance changes I've grown to learn a lot more about apple and now love the company and the products.
So because it doesn't affect everyone or even most its therefore not a worthy issue of being addressed? That certainly sounds like sound logic right there.
 
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Okay, I had to sign up just so I can post because I am so sick of all the misinformation that floods these comments sections when it comes to the infamous "imessage problem". You can accept this or ignore it, I don't care but my information is right.

1. When you activate imessage it registers your phone number for the service
2. This is how other imessage users, ios or osx device, reach you using the service
3. When you deregister your number, it does remove your number from imessage service within 24-48 hours
4. The problem usually lies in either
A. your contact is still sending message to you as an imessage (typical in cases seen in group messages aka "this happens X amount of years after i've switched"
B. even though they have deleted your contact and readded it multiple times the message thread they still have going with you is an imessage thread and needs to be deleted as well

If you, friend, or family are having this issue still all these things must be done for each and every contact that still is using ios and osx. As long as your have a device with an active thread that still thinks its using imessage i will continue to try and use imessage instead of defaulting to SMS. Of course, you cant always tap and hold and choose send as SMS instead.
Welcome to macrumors Mr. Tim Cook.
Now tell your people to fix the problem.

kthxbai
 
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Okay, I had to sign up just so I can post because I am so sick of all the misinformation that floods these comments sections when it comes to the infamous "imessage problem". You can accept this or ignore it, I don't care but my information is right.

1. When you activate imessage it registers your phone number for the service
2. This is how other imessage users, ios or osx device, reach you using the service
3. When you deregister your number, it does remove your number from imessage service within 24-48 hours
4. The problem usually lies in either
A. your contact is still sending message to you as an imessage (typical in cases seen in group messages aka "this happens X amount of years after i've switched"
B. even though they have deleted your contact and readded it multiple times the message thread they still have going with you is an imessage thread and needs to be deleted as well

If you, friend, or family are having this issue still all these things must be done for each and every contact that still is using ios and osx. As long as your have a device with an active thread that still thinks its using imessage i will continue to try and use imessage instead of defaulting to SMS. Of course, you cant always tap and hold and choose send as SMS instead.

Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to register and post the solution to an issue Apple couldn't fix for over a year now.
 
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It doesn't to me, as I can't see anticompetitive behavior against android. It's a bug that requires user remediation, that's it no more.
It is not only against Android. It happened to me when I switched to BB10.

Not being a quasi-monopoly is no excuse for anticompetitive behaviour.

It's Apple's job to do due diligence to fix this. All I see is Apple dragging, that is why it smells. A workaround is not easy for the user in the general case.
 
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It is not only against Android. It happened to me when I switched to BB10.

Not being a quasi-monopoly is no excuse for anticompetitive behaviour.

It's Apple's job to do due diligence to fix this. All I see is Apple dragging, that is why it smells. A workaround is not easy for the user in the general case.
The workaround is about 3 minutes. Knowing what the work-around is is what takes the time.

I never knew Apple was a quasi-monopoly; can you explain?
 
The workaround is about 3 minutes. Knowing what the work-around is is what takes the time.

I never knew Apple was a quasi-monopoly; can you explain?

1. It is not true that the workaround took 3 minutes. We are tired of apologists like you.
2. Read properly.
 
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1. It is not true that the workaround took 3 minutes. We are tired of apologists like you.
2. Read properly.
You have no clue about what you are talking about, so I'll repeat it so you can read it properly.

I'm glad this whole thing blew over, it should have never been a class action suit to begin with, but who knows with our legal system.

I just went through this and the workaround is easy once you know how:

1. Deregister
2. Delete existing iMessage threads

End of story.
 
1. It is not true that the workaround took 3 minutes. We are tired of apologists like you.
2. Read properly.
People aren't realizing or are ignoring that the workaround isn't something that always works for quite a few people, and often requires things that aren't exactly easy to accomplish or constantly do (like keep on checking on your messages all the time to make sure they are actually sent or having all other people delete conversations with you in them and start them over). And that's all on top of the fact that with a workaround or not, there's (or at least was) still an underlying issue on Apple's side nevertheless that shouldn't be just ignored as it essentially had been for quite some time.

What they are also overlooking is that the whole de-registration process didn't even come about until fairly recently, mainly prompted by the threat of such a class action lawsuit and media attention around it that finally pushed Apple to at least do something about it, while the issues have been present for many for a long time before, with Apple not really doing much about them.
 
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You have no clue about what you are talking about, so I'll repeat it so you can read it properly.

I'm glad this whole thing blew over, it should have never been a class action suit to begin with, but who knows with our legal system.

I just went through this and the workaround is easy once you know how:

1. Deregister
2. Delete existing iMessage threads

End of story.

Because it is really practical to tell all your contacts to delete your iPhone reference from their iPhones.
 
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You seem to be the usual newbie Apple apologist that come on these sites. You don't fully understand why it is a big issue for Apple to break SMS.
Ha, the usual personal attack. Too difficult to write an actual argument? It is really appalling how some people simply can't have a normal discussion.

Ermmmm people still use SMS? Apple has only broken it and not improved on it at all. You don't seem to understand that. And it is being anti competitive as Apple are forcing you to jump through hoops and as others have stated on here, never have a working SMS again.
People were still using floppies when Apple decided to leave them out of their computers. Apple is indeed making you jump through hoops, nobody is denying that, but that is not what anti-competitive practices mean - https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/anticompetitive-practices. As to Apple not improving on the service at all, that is preposterous.
 
People aren't realizing or are ignoring that the workaround isn't something that always works for quite a few people, and often requires things that aren't exactly easy to accomplish or constantly do (like keep on checking on your messages all the time to make sure they are actually sent or having all other people delete conversations with you in them and start them over). And that's all on top of the fact that with a workaround or not, there's (or at least was) still an underlying issue on Apple's side nevertheless that shouldn't be just ignored as it essentially had been for quite some time.

What they are also overlooking is that the whole de-registration process didn't even come about until fairly recently, mainly prompted by the threat of such a class action lawsuit and media attention around it that finally pushed Apple to at least do something about it, while the issues have been present for many for a long time before, with Apple not really doing much about them.

Do you know people who this process didn't work for? I don't. It's very straightforward. The reason there might be some issue on the client end is due to the encryption of imessage. I don't know, but I'm guessing that where the issue is after deregistration.

Or may apple thought once your in the system, your always in the system.
 
Ha, the usual personal attack. Too difficult to write an actual argument? It is really appalling how some people simply can't have a normal discussion.


People were still using floppies when Apple decided to leave them out of their computers. Apple is indeed making you jump through hoops, nobody is denying that, but that is not what anti-competitive practices mean - https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/anticompetitive-practices. As to Apple not improving on the service at all, that is preposterous.

A link to an American government website means nothing to me as I live in Europe where they actually take anti competitive actions seriously, and Anti consumer which Apple is also doing here. And you are still spouting the useless 'people used floppies' pointless argument, to somehow excuse and glorify iMessage into something it is not.
As I said, iMessage adds nothing to SMS.
 
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A link to an American government website means nothing to me as I live in Europe where they actually take anti competitive actions seriously, and Anti consumer which Apple is also doing here. And you are still spouting the useless 'people used floppies' pointless argument, to somehow excuse and glorify iMessage into something it is not.
As I said, iMessage adds nothing to SMS.

Except the EU can spin this anyway. It's probably not anti-competitive as much as a process that wasn't well thought out; which is a huge difference.
 
To those saying it's user error, it's not. Even following these steps, I continue to have issues over a year after switching to an Android. It's completely sporadic, sometimes coming through correctly and sometimes not. I'm unable to receive messages from certain friends who include a specific set of other recipients in a group text, i.e. if they remove one of the other people I'm suddenly able to get the group texts.

I'm an Apple user in many other areas, so save the hate—this is a real issue.

Edit: to be clear, I'm suggesting the issues still needs to be addressed, not that anyone should profit from it.
Not sure I follow you - SMS doesn't support group chats, that's one of the benefits of iMessage.
 
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