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I got Google Photos just after Photos. The tech world was raving. I let it do its thing, and I wasn't impressed. It had no idea who anybody was -- I thought it was supposed to auto-tag. Like when I tried Google calendar and found that my calendar items now came in twos, Google started adding a bunch of misidentified dumb stuff to my Camera Roll. How do I fix that? Oh, yeah, delete. I did. You like Google, you don't like Google. Either is fine with me.
 
It's also because many users have people's Mail address, as target for messages. Of course you won't receive messages as sms, when they are sent to an apple ID Mail address..
 
Even if the class-action failed, what's with all the hate directed at a plaintiff that was trying to protect consumers by calling out a PIA caused by a billion-dollar corporation? It's not like this plaintiff was doing something against all of our interests here - we all benefit when people call out corporations on their BS in a court.

American's do love a class action law suit though - its why we're now petrified of doing anything remotely risky in the UK
 
This is about someone upset because they switched from an iPhone to an Android and were unable to receive texts, so they figured they'd try and make a few extra bucks by suing due to being upset.
This is a "sue" happy nation these days. So award the plaintiff a few bucks for pain and suffering over some lost sms.

There is an issue on a conversation where the former iMessage recipient is tagged. The recipient will never receive an sms from that thread.
 
In my experience the iMessage eventually times out and get it sent as a text message. Then messages to that person go out as text messages from now on.

Maybe it used to be broken and now it works, but this has been my experience.

It still doesn't work. I still don't always get messages when an iPhone user sends a message to a group of people that Apple thinks have iMessage capability. It is awful and Apple should fix it.
 
Some people on here just don't seem to get it? SMS has been in use for years and years, waaayyyy before the iPhone turned up, it has been a standard set up through the industry and carriers and has worked perfectly fine too.
That has been the case for floppy disks, CDs and horses.

And as far as I know, Apple is the ONLY and I do mean ONLY manufacture on the entire planet that has screwed up the SMS system for its own stupid replacement, because it wants to force everyone to use its standards and apps, that what Apple has always been about, ignoring the industry and doing everything itself. It is a highly anti competitive measure effectively forcing you to only use iOS or jump through many hoops to allow you to properly receive messages.
That is not what anti-competitive means. And breaking standards and setting new ones has worked quite well for Apple in the majority of cases. iMessage has its advantages.
 
You're missing the point entirely. No one is talking about removing icloud or email accounts or restoring phones... this is about SMS, a feature that has always followed your number since the beginning. That is of course until iMessage came along. The sheer fact that some customers have difficulties with technology should be reason enough to make this as dead simple as possible... something that Apple has always touted as their reason for being. And just because they might not be as savvy as you or I doesn't negate their right to own these devices. In fact, the ones demanding more technology are probably the ones who didn't have any problems with iMessage and switching... those who don't quite understand it probably aren't asking for anything more than they currently have, yet are victims of the tech everyone else is screaming for and perhaps their peers or family members are pushing on them. How many non-tech-savvy individuals out there have upgraded to smartphones simply so they can video chat with their relatives (for an example)?

I think it's rather harsh for these people to be called ignorant while at the same time being pressured into keeping up.

But back to the point... SMS is SMS is SMS... it should always follow your number, plain and simple. Apple should never have been allowed to intercept this, or however it works.

But its not SMS, its iMessage. iMessage is a feature that relies on different technology. It uses Apple servers to send encrypted text messages. It uses your data plan vs your sms plan. You just proved my point.

I never had issues when I disabled everything and deleted accounts to use an android device I got for free that I used when traveling oversees so my iPhone wouldn't get stolen or lost and have to worry about it. I always got my texts.
 
I disabled imessage on all my Apple devices when I switched from iPhone to Android in late 2013. This didn't prevent me from missing messages from iPhone users for several days after the switch.

How long was several days. I can see 2-3 days being acceptable. I'm sure Apple has a lot of servers and they all cache some intelligence about your phone number and iMessage. So just like DNS, it can take up to 72 hours to propagate. However, it should have worked shortly after that.
 
That has been the case for floppy disks, CDs and horses.


That is not what anti-competitive means. And breaking standards and setting new ones has worked quite well for Apple in the majority of cases. iMessage has its advantages.

Ermmmm people still use SMS? Apple has only broken it and not improved on it at all. You don't seem to understand that. And it is being anti competitive as Apple are forcing you to jump through hoops and as others have stated on here, never have a working SMS again.

You seem to be the usual newbie Apple apologist that come on these sites. You don't fully understand why it is a big issue for Apple to break SMS.
 
But its not SMS, its iMessage. iMessage is a feature that relies on different technology. It uses Apple servers to send encrypted text messages. It uses your data plan vs your sms plan. You just proved my point.

I never had issues when I disabled everything and deleted accounts to use an android device I got for free that I used when traveling oversees so my iPhone wouldn't get stolen or lost and have to worry about it. I always got my texts.
And plenty of others did what they were supposed to do and still had problems.
 
Ermmmm people still use SMS? Apple has only broken it and not improved on it at all. You don't seem to understand that. And it is being anti competitive as Apple are forcing you to jump through hoops and as others have stated on here, never have a working SMS again.

You seem to be the usual newbie Apple apologist that come on these sites. You don't fully understand why it is a big issue for Apple to break SMS.
What nonsense! And the typical name calling. The issue boils down to existing threads where the former phone number was iMessage. Unfortunately those have to be deleted. That's a far cry from anti-competitive where the features of iMessage far outweigh sms.
 
I'm still trying to figure out WHY messages were being missed at all.

When you send an iMessage to someone, it will say "Delivered" under the message when it's delivered to the person's device. If there is no "Delivered" something went wrong. At this point the person sending the message should contact the recipient to find out why the messages wasn't delivered.

"Oh, I switched to an Android phone."

Hold the message, resend as text message. At that point, the phone will use text messages from now on.

There is no excuse for missed messages; if your phone is using iMessage to send messages than you will know right away if something is wrong because nothing will show as Delivered. The phone will even eventually put up a red ! to tell you there was a problem, or re-send as a text message if you have that option set in preferences.

This is all a case of people being clueless and trying to do a cash grab.
 
As someone who switches back and forth between ios and Android, this is why I don't have iMessage enabled.

I was really hoping this suit would gain some traction. Because I know folks who actually went and got new numbers because of this.

There are better 3rd party messages out there that are better and cross platform.
 
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Where is the class action lawsuit on Microsoft for their BSOD...Everyone had one of those, should be no problem gathering a billion people.
 
This problem annoyed the hell out of me a few years ago when I switched from my iPhone 4 to an android device. Any iPhone user who I had previously texted was now unable to text message me at all, as their phones defaulted to attempting to send iMessages to me, which I was unable to receive. At the time there was no tool to remove myself from being sent iMessages provided by Apple, and I missed out on many contract work opportunities over a period of months. I only realized what had happened when I dropped my new phone and powered up my old iPhone, and received a flood of old messages. Even if I sent my contacts SMS messages from my new phone, their phones would still default to sending iMessages unless they deleted my contact.

Apple didn't exactly make fixing this problem a priority either. I was always surprised they didn't have a fallback-to-SMS feature if iMessages weren't delivered within X time period. Maybe it wasn't intentional, but it shouldn't have been as hard for Apple to resolve as they claimed and I can totally believe the delay could have been a subverted attempt to keep people from switching platforms.
 
You're missing the point entirely. No one is talking about removing icloud or email accounts or restoring phones... this is about SMS, a feature that has always followed your number since the beginning. That is of course until iMessage came along. The sheer fact that some customers have difficulties with technology should be reason enough to make this as dead simple as possible... something that Apple has always touted as their reason for being. And just because they might not be as savvy as you or I doesn't negate their right to own these devices. In fact, the ones demanding more technology are probably the ones who didn't have any problems with iMessage and switching... those who don't quite understand it probably aren't asking for anything more than they currently have, yet are victims of the tech everyone else is screaming for and perhaps their peers or family members are pushing on them. How many non-tech-savvy individuals out there have upgraded to smartphones simply so they can video chat with their relatives (for an example)?

I think it's rather harsh for these people to be called ignorant while at the same time being pressured into keeping up.

But back to the point... SMS is SMS is SMS... it should always follow your number, plain and simple. Apple should never have been allowed to intercept this, or however it works.

Yes, SMS is SMS is SMS.
iMessage, on the other hand, is a different beast. It is a messaging service which uses MMS (not SMS) as a *fallback* if a) data service isn't available, or b) the destination phone number isn't registered to receive iMessages.

MMS vs. SMS: http://www.diffen.com/difference/MMS_vs_SMS
 
As someone who switches back and forth between ios and Android, this is why I don't have iMessage enabled.

I was really hoping this suit would gain some traction. Because I know folks who actually went and got new numbers because of this.

There are better 3rd party messages out there that are better and cross platform.
That's like buying a new car because of a flat tire. The Apple website tool makes this a no brained.

1. De-register your account.
2. Delete all iMessage threads on your device and have your senders delete all iMessage threads.
 
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