And no one here has presented any facts about the "unreasonable amount of time" employees are regularly incurring. Citing a small handful of times where someone may have waited 10 to 20 minutes doesn't cut it when we're talking about a company that employs over 100,000 people.
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Lawsuit by Apple Retail Employees Over Off-the-Clock Bag Searches Dismissed
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checking bags when leaving the store is a VERY COMMON practice in retail. It's part of the stores policies. Every retail store I worked in had this policy. Apple is no different than the others. Obviously the biggest whiners on this board are the ones that NEVER worked retail. The lawyers are in it for the money they would make off the employees. In every store I worked, and I have witnessed it at my local Apple Store as well, any employee, not just the manager can check your bag when you leave. It takes all of 10-30 seconds. It's not a big deal. All 3 Apple Stores in my area usually have 2-3 greeters at the front of the store and I've witnessed them checking bags of other co-workers leaving the store.
One store I worked at in the Chicago area, you actually had to empty your pockets as part of the bag check and pat yourself down as well. In the winter you also had to have your coat patted down. Even in the winter this took no longer than a few minutes. And these checks were done whenever you exited the store for any reason.
If you do not like the policy, you can always find another job, or simply not bring personal bags into the store. It's a CHOICE you make. It's your CHOICE to accept the job, therefore you accept the policy and it's your CHOICE to bring the bag into the store. Either don't bring the bag in or don't accept the job. Plain and simple.
You want them to pay you for the 1 or 2 minutes tops to do a bag check, then they should also deduct the 1 or 2 minutes each time you are not productively working such as gossiping about who is dating who or chit chatting with the co-worker about the "game" last night, or when you go in the backroom to check your texts or to call home to check on the kids or whatever. You want to split hairs over a bag check, an employer can also do the same for all the unproductive time you are wasting while they are paying you. It works both ways.
One store I worked at in the Chicago area, you actually had to empty your pockets as part of the bag check and pat yourself down as well. In the winter you also had to have your coat patted down. Even in the winter this took no longer than a few minutes. And these checks were done whenever you exited the store for any reason.
If you do not like the policy, you can always find another job, or simply not bring personal bags into the store. It's a CHOICE you make. It's your CHOICE to accept the job, therefore you accept the policy and it's your CHOICE to bring the bag into the store. Either don't bring the bag in or don't accept the job. Plain and simple.
You want them to pay you for the 1 or 2 minutes tops to do a bag check, then they should also deduct the 1 or 2 minutes each time you are not productively working such as gossiping about who is dating who or chit chatting with the co-worker about the "game" last night, or when you go in the backroom to check your texts or to call home to check on the kids or whatever. You want to split hairs over a bag check, an employer can also do the same for all the unproductive time you are wasting while they are paying you. It works both ways.
Is the Judge really serious about this? Avoid the problem by not bringing bags?
It's easy for the Judge to say... leave alone the gentlemen, how about ladies? On their days of necessity, they MUST bring bags with them to cover their personal/private cleanliness...
I'm not an Apple employee so I'm not gonna take any side here... I'm just saying the Judge's excuse to dismiss the case is plain stupid!!!
It's easy for the Judge to say... leave alone the gentlemen, how about ladies? On their days of necessity, they MUST bring bags with them to cover their personal/private cleanliness...
I'm not an Apple employee so I'm not gonna take any side here... I'm just saying the Judge's excuse to dismiss the case is plain stupid!!!
If Apple had dedicated security that checked the bags, that is business as usual. When the workers have to wait for a manager to have free time to check their bags, that is a control freak manager who loves to micromanage. Why are Apple stores paying managers to do low level work like check bags?
No you are not required to bring a bag but Apple allows you to bring the bag, you should not be expected to stay there on your own time for a bag search if Apple allows you to bring it. What if they expected you to be there a lengthy amount of time before the bag search is completed? How much time should the person be expected to give up waiting for management to go thru the bag?
This is the kind of response, and the twisted logic it contains, that makes one wonder how our country will survive. This guy seems to be saying--like a ghost from the depression--if you don't like how we're exploiting you leave. Why, for example, do businesses think it's okay to require their employees to do anything off the clock? If it's so important to them to check bags, the why don't they do that before their employees clock out? Why does this guy believe that the simple act of bringing a purse, or a backpack to work is something pejorative? Millions of people bring these things to work every day in other fields, why is retail different? Why can't Apple or Amazon or any other huge company simply accommodate a simple lifestyle necessity that tens of millions of Americans employ every day? And why does this guy automatically believe that the other poster's child is doing something frivolous after work, just because she has a bag? This lack of logical thinking and jumping to conclusions is very sad.
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You are not required to bring a bag into the store. Since they allow you to bring a bag into the store YOU therefore agree to the check upon leaving. When do YOU take responsibility for your own actions. You bring the bag in, you accept the fact that you may have to wait a few minutes, or however long it takes, for it to be checked upon leaving.
I guess we just disagree, I do understand your point but just think that it should be Apples responsibility to make sure they do this on their time since they allow the employee to bring such item to work. Either way I guess the employee can seek employment elsewhere if they don't like giving up the time for the search.
Well now, the alternative is to not bother the people with very busy lives and let them rob Apple Stores all they want. After all, Apple has all the money in the world and the employees should be able to take as much as they want and sell it to their friends. Perhaps the truck drivers should just drive it to the employees homes directly and help unload it into their garages.
What if you're a bodybuilder and can't eat the slop they sell in the mall food court? Oh wait, you don't see many of them working at Apple anyways...
Basically, if you've always been a bottom wrung employee, you're going to side with the Apple employees, if you're a manager or heaven forbid, own your own company, you're going to side with the judge and Apple.
Good. They should have acted like progressive adults and proposed a different system to Apple, such as surrender upon arrival, etc. with an employee fridge for their foods. Use democracy, not this "Sue, Sue, Sue!" bull$&@#. It's passive and dishonourable to one of the best retail environments globally. Sheesh.
Employers argue that they are paying for your time (hourly workers), not the job done. This is why you are not allowed to surf the net and play video games if you are caught up on all your work. The US Supreme Court has weighed in on that one too.
If the employer (Apple, Amazon, Wal-Mart, whoever), wants to keep me around for whatever reason, they need to pay for that time. Once they stop paying me, I should be free to go. If my employer wants to do a bag check, it should be on their dime.
Now a quick 3-5 minute deal, I can probably stand. 15 minutes makes it to the timecard.
Yes, I am aware that the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. They also ruled Plessy vs. Ferguson (saying segregation in schools is okay) and were wrong then, too. Given how they are being treated by Wall Street (how much does your wife make, Judge Thomas, or would you like to comment on the ridiculously overpriced weekend you took courtesy of the Koch Brothers?), it isn't surprising that no billionaire gets left behind.
No, your daughter isn't a princess because she gets paid for her bag check, or because she get paid at least minimum wage, or because she gets overtime if she works more than 40 hours in a week. This should be the expectation of every hourly worker.
Its bad enough that wages are so freaking stagnant for workers while corporate profits soar, but to nickel and dime folks making $10/hour while making billions a quarter is just rampant greed.
If the employer (Apple, Amazon, Wal-Mart, whoever), wants to keep me around for whatever reason, they need to pay for that time. Once they stop paying me, I should be free to go. If my employer wants to do a bag check, it should be on their dime.
Now a quick 3-5 minute deal, I can probably stand. 15 minutes makes it to the timecard.
Yes, I am aware that the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. They also ruled Plessy vs. Ferguson (saying segregation in schools is okay) and were wrong then, too. Given how they are being treated by Wall Street (how much does your wife make, Judge Thomas, or would you like to comment on the ridiculously overpriced weekend you took courtesy of the Koch Brothers?), it isn't surprising that no billionaire gets left behind.
No, your daughter isn't a princess because she gets paid for her bag check, or because she get paid at least minimum wage, or because she gets overtime if she works more than 40 hours in a week. This should be the expectation of every hourly worker.
Its bad enough that wages are so freaking stagnant for workers while corporate profits soar, but to nickel and dime folks making $10/hour while making billions a quarter is just rampant greed.
If my employer had this little trust in me and my coworkers, I'd look for another job.
Pretty ridiculous that people think this is a suable "offense." I worked in retail a long time ago and was offended by the bag search, I just thought it was stupid to hire people you didn't trust, but I'd never think Oh my god, I must sue - what would I even get $1?
Exactly! How many people really work 8 hrs "Nonstop?" I would say each day is probably 5 or 6 hours of real work and 2 hours doing stuff like lunch, walking and bathroom breaks, etc.
Exactly! How many people really work 8 hrs "Nonstop?" I would say each day is probably 5 or 6 hours of real work and 2 hours doing stuff like lunch, walking and bathroom breaks, etc.
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I love how so many people's solutions to this argument is "don't bring a bag."
As if telling all women not to bring their purse to work was reasonable. Hey, ladies, just clutch a few tampons/pads during your periods! Diabetics, open-carry your needles and insulin! And, of course, any other reason to have a bag is entirely unreasonable!
We apparently live in a country where the meaning of the word "compromise" is to shove your fingers in your ears and yell.
Sad.
As if telling all women not to bring their purse to work was reasonable. Hey, ladies, just clutch a few tampons/pads during your periods! Diabetics, open-carry your needles and insulin! And, of course, any other reason to have a bag is entirely unreasonable!
We apparently live in a country where the meaning of the word "compromise" is to shove your fingers in your ears and yell.
Sad.
Apple influence.
A very powerful and intimidating force, Apple is not to be taken lightly. There's more than one way for them to hit back whenever they don't get their way.
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I work for T-Mobile which doesn't search my stuff, but I understand why Apple searches ppl's things. They most likely have employees that have stolen things in the past and this is there way to make sure it doesn't happen again. If the few break the rules it hurts everyone. Ppl need to stop crying and deal with it. Like others are saying. If you don't like it find a different Job. Apple can't make you stay and work for them. If they would of won this, I would of laughed at those employees when Apple didn't give anyone any raises for a few years to recop the lost. Apple would of found away to get the money back.
Or, what about cycling to work.
When:
It's hot I need to change my clothes otherwise people complain I smell.
It rains I need a rain jacket and pants.
My bike has a flat I need tools and new tubes.
It's wintertime I need gloves.
I DO need a bag!
Cycling to my job is also good for my employer, I don't get sick as many times as my co-workers so my employer saves money.
You know, unlike other stores Apple stores are loaded with small, high-value items.
A klepto at a Wal-Mart could make out with some groceries and maybe a coffee. A klepto at an Apple Store could make thousands a day...and they have!
A klepto at a Wal-Mart could make out with some groceries and maybe a coffee. A klepto at an Apple Store could make thousands a day...and they have!
Judge ruled correctly.
Employee A) She finished her job on 6:00pm and didn't bring a bag. She earned $200.
Employee B) She finished her job on 6:00pm but brought a huge backpack. She earned $220 because she lined up for 20 min.
Employee C) She finished her job on 6:00pm and didn't bring a bag but worked hard for 20 minutes more. She earned $220.
This isn't fair.
Employee A) She finished her job on 6:00pm and didn't bring a bag. She earned $200.
Employee B) She finished her job on 6:00pm but brought a huge backpack. She earned $220 because she lined up for 20 min.
Employee C) She finished her job on 6:00pm and didn't bring a bag but worked hard for 20 minutes more. She earned $220.
This isn't fair.