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Lawsuit by Apple Retail Employees Over Off-the-Clock Bag Searches Dismissed

malexandria said:
Exactly! How many people really work 8 hrs "Nonstop?" I would say each day is probably 5 or 6 hours of real work and 2 hours doing stuff like lunch, walking and bathroom breaks, etc.
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So you wouldn't mind being paid for 5 hrs instead of 8.

"It's not about the money", if that's true, how come they always look like penny pinching Scrooges. If they want to conduct searches on the employees time, pay them, end of story, in a lot of countries they'd have to anyway.
 
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superberg said:
I love how so many people's solutions to this argument is "don't bring a bag."
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The only place I have ever worked with a control was where we had to securely lock our bag and coat before the shop floor. That way, coming from the floor there might have been a search before contact with bags, cuts the times to a minimum. That would be my solution, but I guess that is just depending on available space.

Where I work now all our contracts say that we need to show our bags when leaving the building. In 10 years I never got asked, and I don't think anyone else ever got. It's just there so they can. But it's a head office, so we don't have much access to product anyway.
 
People just don't appreciate the privilege to have a job these days. If you dont like the job details, the pay, the hours, or the things you have to do, then QUIT and find something better. If there isn't anything better you can do or in your reach, then just be glad you are where you are, and that you have anything at all.​
 
skinned66 said:
Sounds like Alsup doesn't bring lunch to work or remember what it's like to get paid by the hour anymore. He should have also noted in his ruling that quitting was an option and closed with a "neener neener."
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According to my BF (who is actually an Apple Store employee) most stores now have remote break rooms so folks would not have to enter the store to put said lunch from home in the refrigerator. in many cases that's also where their lockers are, not in the stores anymore. been that way for a good couple of years.

And judges have to deal with the law and the law is that employees don't have to bring bags etc
 
norbinhouston said:
Basically, if you've always been a bottom wrung employee, you're going to side with the Apple employees, if you're a manager or heaven forbid, own your own company, you're going to side with the judge and Apple.
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I disagree with that statement, whats right is right regardless if you are a hourly employee or a manager or owner, management in this case Apple seems to be putting the all mighty profit ahead of what's right and fair to the employee.
 
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zlb said:
I'll admit, if there really are managers out there taking 20 min to check someone's bag, they should be held accountable in their positions for not supporting their staff. Even during the busiest holiday season traffic, these checks used to take us all of 3 minutes max.
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I just showed my BF your comment and he says you nailed it. The managers, when all that **** was required, were duty bound to know when staff was going to meals etc and that they had to do the checks. so if they were hard to find or took ages, well that's about that person's bad management skills nothing more or less
 
hudson1 said:
If you drive your car into the store then they should be allowed to search it.
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Seriously??? What about your house? I honestly can't believe this is what you think. IMHO searches by non law enforcement agencies, ie retard Apple store employees, constitutes a violation of the unreasonable searches and siezures amendment in the Constitution. This case sets a very dangerous precedent. Where does your privacy start and end?
 
I like how the guy front and center is wearing a big ol' 'not-an-apple-watch' watch ;)

sk1wbw said:
Seriously??? What about your house? I honestly can't believe this is what you think. IMHO searches by non law enforcement agencies, ie retard Apple store employees, constitutes a violation of the unreasonable searches and siezures amendment in the Constitution. This case sets a very dangerous precedent. Where does your privacy start and end?
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obviously it ends when you clock in as an apple clerk and starts some arbitrary time after you clock out and they are satisfied you aren't taking anything with you you didn't come in with.
 
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sk1wbw said:
IMHO searches by non law enforcement agencies, ie retard Apple store employees, constitutes a violation of the unreasonable searches and siezures amendment in the Constitution.
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The fact that it IS non-law enforcement means that the 4th amendment doesn't apply.
 
sk1wbw said:
This case sets a very dangerous precedent. Where does your privacy start and end?
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Uh, the Supreme Court already ruled on a pretty much identical case, and ruled that these searches were legal and that no compensation for the "extra" time was necessary. Where have you been?
 
jpgr15 said:
If employees are going to complain they aren't paid for a 10 minute bags search than employers have every right to complain they have to pay for a 10 minute bathroom break.
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I suppose they could just let their body fluids etc drop on the floor, then they wouldn't have to have a break, would that suit you.
 
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usarioclave said:
Uh, the Supreme Court already ruled on a pretty much identical case, and ruled that these searches were legal and that no compensation for the "extra" time was necessary. Where have you been?
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What do they do in America if they find someone with an iPhone, shoot them?
 
I used to work in a convenience store.
They had a "do not bring cash to work" policy. Anything you wanted to eat from the store was logged into an employe purchase sheet and deducted from your pay the following payday.
This was to prevent employees from losing personal cash if they were ever robbed and all the criminal would get was cash from the store.
If an employe chose to bring in cash and lost it as part of a robbery, that is their fault.
I wish we lived in a world where people didn't steal. But we don't.

Plus, statistics will show that employee theft is much more prevalent than theft from an outsider.
 
SkydiveGuy said:
I used to work in a convenience store.
They had a "do not bring cash to work" policy. Anything you wanted to eat from the store was logged into an employe purchase sheet and deducted from your pay the following payday.
This was to prevent employees from losing personal cash if they were ever robbed and all the criminal would get was cash from the store.
If an employe chose to bring in cash and lost it as part of a robbery, that is their fault.
I wish we lived in a world where people didn't steal. But we don't.

Plus, statistics will show that employee theft is much more prevalent than theft from an outsider.
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You either come from Russia or the US, it's hard to tell.

jpgr15 said:
I worked retail for many years but thanks for your assumption.
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So you clocked on and off when you went to the restroom?
 
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RockSpider said:
What do they do in America if they find someone with an iPhone, shoot them?
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Hah, no they probably take it away and fire them. Maybe in the middle east they do that...or they cut off the tips of their fingers so they can't text.
 
jpgr15 said:
No, I did not - but I also did not complain about the company taking reasonable measures to protect themselves.
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Before you clock on is YOUR time, after you clock off is YOUR time, if they want to do a search after you clock off, clock on again.

usarioclave said:
Hah, no they probably take it away and fire them. Maybe in the middle east they do that...or they cut off the tips of their fingers so they can't text.
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No, I read the other day a person shot another person for walking out of a shop with some stolen merchandise, not the Middle East, the US of A.
 
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