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god i am so sick and tired of how UNCREATIVE these mock ups are. i know im not spittin any out, but lets try to think of some other ways instead of just thickening the air. good lord, think outside the box for a minute and stop sticking optical drives and magnetic latches all over it. sheeeeesh.
 
but true..

Yes, if one asks the american car manufacturers or the american oil lobby it's all true.

Anyway, I'm with tmac with regards to these pictures. I simply don't get why people think they're fake. Of course they _can_ be, but not because they're "too good", or "photoshopped" or some other nonsense.
Hell, even if they had been rendered, it could be true, as Apple themselves seems to have rendered or at least "fixed" all their photos on their website.
 
You don't think one simply toss the batteries on the scrap yard, do you?

Cmon now, its not like companies dump toxic materials. Do you honestly think that there won't be junk yards filled with hybrids? While all hybrids are bad in this regards, its just that the majority of Pious owners think they are being environmentally friendly (Eric S., at the top of this page is the perfect example).

Enough of this, worrying about the disposable of batteries distracts us from important issues, like whether the next MB will be aluminum. :D
 
No company has ever dumped toxic materials, just like or manufacturing plant has ever become a superfund site. Do you honestly think that there won't be junk yards filled with hybrids? While all hybrids are bad in this regards, its just that the majority of Pious owners think they are being environmentally friendly (Eric S., at the top of this page is the perfect example).

No, i don't think that will be the case, as even the dead AGM-batteries will be worth money. Of course, SOME, will end their life like that, but to go from there to "they pollute more than a jeep wrangler" is a logical leap with no basis in reality – so much influenced by the american oil lobby.
Next you'll tell us that there is no point in having hydrogen cars, as the hydrogen has to be produced at some central place so we might as well drive around in some huge gas guzzlers, each using a very inefficient combustion engine.
 
Cmon now, its not like companies dump toxic materials. Do you honestly think that there won't be junk yards filled with hybrids? While all hybrids are bad in this regards, its just that the majority of Pious owners think they are being environmentally friendly (Eric S., at the top of this page is the perfect example).

The Prius is not the only hybrid on the road. I'll take my Prius over a hybrid SUV any day. I'll also take my 50 mpg in reasonable surety that, all things considered, I'm polluting less than most other cars too.

Enough of this, worrying about the disposable of batteries distracts us from important issues, like whether the next MB will be aluminum. :D

That's how all this started. No matter what Apple comes out with, I'm sticking with plastic.
 
No, i don't think that will be the case, as even the dead AGM-batteries will be worth money. Of course, SOME, will end their life like that, but to go from there to "they pollute more than a jeep wrangler" is a logical leap with no basis in reality – so much influenced by the american oil lobby.

I think you'll find that I never said anything about them polluting more, or less, than any other vehicle. I was debating the environmentally-unfriendly nature of a Hybrid like the Prius. Never mind that if you spend a lot of your time on the highway the Prius gives no significant advantage over a very efficient 4 cylinder car.

Infact any profits from the more expensive Hybrid won't be recouped until you are hitting really high miles, but by then the battery will start losing a lot of its capacity and you'll be chasing diminishing returns. Hey, at least the Prius is shinier than a 10yo Altima that returns 30mpg and costs a sixth of what the Prius does (say wouldn't that mean that you are saving even more money in the long run).

I do like how its such a "visible" way to show how environmentally-minded you are; kind of like a big "visualize world peace" bumper sticker.
 
The Prius is not the only hybrid on the road. I'll take my Prius over a hybrid SUV any day. I'll also take my 50 mpg in reasonable surety that, all things considered, I'm polluting less than most other cars too.

Not when it comes to disposing of those batteries. But that's such an ugly, long-term thing to think about.
 
I think you'll find that I never said anything about them polluting more, or less, than any other vehicle. I was debating the environmentally-unfriendly nature of a Hybrid like the Prius.
Yes, and seemingly agreeing with this bloke:

Over the lifetime of the Prius, from mining the Nickel for the batterys and shipping it halfway across the world, you are the LEAST economically friendly of cars. Infact, a JEEP WRANGLER is the BEST.


Never mind that if you spend a lot of your time on the highway the Prius gives no significant advantage over a very efficient 4 cylinder car.
I'd love to see some calculations done by someone NOT associated with the oil lobby to back up that claim.


Infact any profits from the more expensive Hybrid won't be recouped until you are hitting really high miles, but by then the battery will start losing a lot of its capacity and you'll be chasing diminishing returns. Hey, at least the Prius is shinier than a 10yo Altima that returns 30mpg and costs a sixth of what the Prius does (say wouldn't that mean that you are saving even more money in the long run).
Hmm, so you seem to argue that "profits" and "less pollution" is interchangeable. Now, there's a notion I haven't seen before …



I do like how its such a "visible" way to show how environmentally-minded you are; kind of like a big "visualize world peace" bumper sticker.

One thing I dislike about the prius is that it's marketed as an "extremely non-polluting car", getting 23,3 km/litre, when our VW Lupo 3L from 2004 (they began making them in 1999 and stopped in 2004) goes 33km/litre.
 
I'd love to see some calculations done by someone NOT associated with the oil lobby to back up that claim.
Hybrids excel when they convert deceleration forces into energy. Lost of that going on in town, not so much on the highway. Regular cars are most efficient on the highway. Common sense really,

Hmm, so you seem to argue that "profits" and "less pollution" is interchangeable. Now, there's a notion I haven't seen before …
Not at all, I was discussing two separate things. I even put them in separate paragraphs to make it more obvious.

One thing I dislike about the prius is that it's marketed as an "extremely non-polluting car", getting 23,3 km/litre, when our VW Lupo 3L from 2004 (they began making them in 1999 and stopped in 2004) goes 33km/litre.
I agree, unfortunatly we don't get those great turbo-diesels over here. The new VWs are supposed to be getting around 55 or so mpg. That nicely offsets the higher price of diesel without having to suffer an anemic engine.
 
Not when it comes to disposing of those batteries. But that's such an ugly, long-term thing to think about.

Models of my year Prius (2001) are still running with 200-250,000 miles without having replaced the battery. Compared to the vast amount of stuff of all kinds that is dumped in that time, I'm not concerned about my Prius battery. Also, Toyota pays to recover the batteries and recycle them.

If it's any consolation to you, I only drive the Prius half of the time. The rest I drive my good old environmentally-friendly 30 mpg Prelude. :) 252,000 miles in 22.5 years. The Prius has 86,000 now, so at that rate it will be a very long-term thing.

Hybrids excel when they convert deceleration forces into energy. Lost of that going on in town, not so much on the highway. Regular cars are most efficient on the highway. Common sense really,

My Prius gets better mileage on the freeway too. There are plenty of times when it is decelerating there, and the absence of high acceleration makes for better efficiency. In town there is a lot of accelerating to get up to speed from stops. Only if I were to spend a huge amount of time sitting at stop lights would it compensate for the gas lost in accelerating. It's possible to accelerate without having the gas engine turn on, but it has to be done very gradually.

How long can we really discuss an aluminum case?

Exactly. C'mon Apple, throw us a bone here - something, anything, please.
 
Hybrids excel when they convert deceleration forces into energy. Lost of that going on in town, not so much on the highway. Regular cars are most efficient on the highway. Common sense really,
It very much depends on what "normal" car you're talking about. Especially since the bloke was comparing to a Jeep Wrangler.
But of course, all else EQUAL, then when not accelerating and decelerating, the one without the batteries will win out.



Not at all, I was discussing two separate things. I even put them in separate paragraphs to make it more obvious.
Even with separate paragraphs, the first paragraph seems to the premise of the next paragraph, before you go on to the conclusion.



I agree, unfortunatly we don't get those great turbo-diesels over here. The new VWs are supposed to be getting around 55 or so mpg. That nicely offsets the higher price of diesel without having to suffer an anemic engine.
Here, diesel is (usually) around ten percent cheaper than gasoline. But then again, none of it is "cheap" (I'm in Denmark).
 
Or maybe there just isn't anything at all, besides small speedbumps.
I don't think so, given the large number of rumors.

There was a long period of relative calm after the initial April rumors of redesigned notebooks, until July with the leaked cases and other rumors. Maybe the same thing is happening now.
 
Tommorow is August the 19th. I'm pretty certain that if we're going to see a update in August it's going to be tommorow.

If it doesn't happen, I will be buying a current MacBook this week or early next week as school starts in the first week of September for me and I want atleast a week to break into OS X. :)
 
Tommorow is August the 19th. I'm pretty certain that if we're going to see a update in August it's going to be tommorow.

If it doesn't happen, I will be buying a current MacBook this week or early next week as school starts in the first week of September for me and I want atleast a week to break into OS X. :)

Speed bump will may happen tomorow but as for refreshes, not gonna happen untill an actual event... refreshes NEED a keynote......
 
Speed bump will may happen tomorow but as for refreshes, not gonna happen untill an actual event... refreshes NEED a keynote......
Not necessarily; the initial MacBook was released without a keynote, and it was redesigned from the iBook in just about every way besides the case material.
 
Not necessarily; the initial MacBook was released without a keynote, and it was redesigned from the iBook in just about every way besides the case material.

But since it was a couple months after the MacBook Pro was announced, everyone was probably already expecting the MacBook. So I couldn't see why they would need a keynote just to announced the successor to the iBook.

As for the new MacBook, I think it will need a keynote to be presented because it will most likely be announced alongside with the new MacBook Pro. Maybe even new iPods too.
 
well if its a new product or even a major refresh with new features then yes it NEEDS a keynote
 
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