Yeah, those hacks. They haven't done anything special. Seriously? The jailbreak community is one of the more organized hacking communities around, and they've made using my iPhones much more productive. You may not like what they do, but it's naive of you to characterize the jailbreak community as disorganized and as having done nothing special. Because of them, people have been able to do things with their phones for years that iOS4 just now brings to the table.
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Leaked: Apple Stealing All FaceTime Information, AT&T Locks Users via OTA Updates
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Yeah, those hacks. They haven't done anything special. Seriously? The jailbreak community is one of the more organized hacking communities around, and they've made using my iPhones much more productive. You may not like what they do, but it's naive of you to characterize the jailbreak community as disorganized and as having done nothing special. Because of them, people have been able to do things with their phones for years that iOS4 just now brings to the table.
And because of them, we have such features as the app store, multitasking, etc. Apple still might be telling us we don't need those things if so many people didn't jb their phones to get them.
What is this guy, Deep Throat for Apple? 
I don't believe it myself. I've seen screen shots of the OTA updates, but once they lock out one phone the uproar will be incredible. Sure, they can do it, but they won't. Hell, even Microsoft doesn't do that.
I don't believe it myself. I've seen screen shots of the OTA updates, but once they lock out one phone the uproar will be incredible. Sure, they can do it, but they won't. Hell, even Microsoft doesn't do that.
Facetime comm to Apple is part of TURN protocol
The reason that the iPhone contacts Apple when the FaceTime call is made is part of the complex series of protocols used to establish a connection over the user's Wi-Fi networks.
Remember that stack of protocols that Jobs showed for FaceTime? Go and look up those acronyms.
Most home users Wi-Fi networks are behind routers that use NAT. It becomes very complicated to reliably set up a two-way connection. One of the protocols that's used by FaceTime in the stack is TURN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traversal_Using_Relay_NAT
In the event that protocols like UPnP and STUN fail to open up a temporary hole in the firewall to establish an inbound connection, the clients have to communicate using only an outbound connection using an intermediate server (this is TURN), which I assume is hosted by Apple.
The reason that the iPhone contacts Apple when the FaceTime call is made is part of the complex series of protocols used to establish a connection over the user's Wi-Fi networks.
Remember that stack of protocols that Jobs showed for FaceTime? Go and look up those acronyms.
Most home users Wi-Fi networks are behind routers that use NAT. It becomes very complicated to reliably set up a two-way connection. One of the protocols that's used by FaceTime in the stack is TURN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traversal_Using_Relay_NAT
In the event that protocols like UPnP and STUN fail to open up a temporary hole in the firewall to establish an inbound connection, the clients have to communicate using only an outbound connection using an intermediate server (this is TURN), which I assume is hosted by Apple.
Prove it.
What has the JB "Community" (and first please define that community) given the iPhone user base that either a) wasn't a direct rip off of Apple's pre-existing development/design processes or b) has fundamentally improved the overall user experience for the iPhone.
Pay particular attention to that last piece. For hobbyists, I'd say JB has given them more OPTIONS (themes, utilities, etc), but how has it improved on the basic design of the iPhone.
But I think you'll stumble on the first bit....there is no Community, as there are no standards for that Community. The only true Community for the iPhone is the one built and curated by Apple.
did you even read the article? that is a copy of their chat not the article itself. He also mentions the spelling mistakes in the chat.
Good insight.... so if I go camping outside of a signal area for more than 14 days, my phone locks up? I doubt that.
What if I'm out of the country and my phone is off for more than 14 days?
And yeah, the early release thing is a joke. What, are they going to push out an update or a hardware change in 2 days before the launch?
And the wifi thing.... yeah, duh!!! If your wifi is not secure, the YOU are not secure.
And finally, I do believe the location thing... Apple changed their TOS to reflect that they are collecting this information. Most likely this will be used for iAds.
I have an idea of how this might work. Let's use a 'Lost' analogy. If the guy doesn't stick the key in the hole every 24 hours, the whole island blows up. Theoretically why couldn't it be the same for computers? That if the iphone does not receive data from AT&T for 14 days, then it automatically disables itself and shuts down?
now we just have to hope for a brave soul to have their iphone on airplane mode for 14 days... Or just have a guy who would use the iphone 4 as an ipod touch...
If this is true, can you imagine the fallout Apple would have? This would be a PR nightmare!!! Although i find it ironic Apple has become the villain they were trying to take down in their famous 1984 commercial...
now we just have to hope for a brave soul to have their iphone on airplane mode for 14 days... Or just have a guy who would use the iphone 4 as an ipod touch...
If this is true, can you imagine the fallout Apple would have? This would be a PR nightmare!!! Although i find it ironic Apple has become the villain they were trying to take down in their famous 1984 commercial...
Considering the amount of scrutiny that iOS4 has already gotten out of the beta builds, I think if this were true, the lid would've been blown off of this a along time ago. There would have to be libraries and classes to support all of these reporting functions and OTA updates. A developer SOMEWHERE (no doubt part of the Jailbreaking "community") would've noticed this by now.
And then there's common sense. Apple sending notifications to staff members (who by the way, weren't made aware that these notifications were coming) about iPhone users initiating facetime conversations? So, Apple's just gonna have saff members randomly seeing popups when 600,000 iPhone users (and that's JUST launch day, and that's JUST in the United States) try this out? Really?
A lot of this is tinfoil hat stuff. I call BS.
And then there's common sense. Apple sending notifications to staff members (who by the way, weren't made aware that these notifications were coming) about iPhone users initiating facetime conversations? So, Apple's just gonna have saff members randomly seeing popups when 600,000 iPhone users (and that's JUST launch day, and that's JUST in the United States) try this out? Really?
A lot of this is tinfoil hat stuff. I call BS.
Might want to get the details correct if you're going to try to make such an analogy.
Did anyone observe the amount of grammatical errors and typos?
Even on 'tank full' I would NEVER EVER spell the word complete (as compleat) and were (as where).
Anyone with an iq of a lint can call this fake. I am in no way supporting Apple or AT&T with what is currently being done (let alone whats mentioned in the article). But it could have been done better. Sorry but this was the shabbiest way "alpha"!
Even on 'tank full' I would NEVER EVER spell the word complete (as compleat) and were (as where).
Anyone with an iq of a lint can call this fake. I am in no way supporting Apple or AT&T with what is currently being done (let alone whats mentioned in the article). But it could have been done better. Sorry but this was the shabbiest way "alpha"!
Hello "App Store"
Hello "Multitasking"
Hello "Copy Paste"
Hello "Video recording"
Hello "many more features which Apple adopted from the jailbreaking community that I know but tired of typing"
Oh and one more thing, Jailbreaking community should not be confused with iPhone user base.
About this OTA thing... am I the only one who think's 'the hackers' will be able to hack this as well, so it really isn't a big deal?
Another conspiracy BS.
A picture is worth a thousand words--isn't that Steve standing next to the flag?
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but after reading the first few paragraphs, I can tell you it's pure BS.
Case in point:
According to Alpha, in iOS 4 there is a line of code which they wrote that sends OTA (Over The Air) updates to the user every 7-14 days which detects and locks the system if it is not using AT&T network.
That sentence makes absolutely no sense. How, exactly, is AT&T or Apple going to send an Over-the-Air update to a phone that's NOT on AT&T's network in the first place. Simple: They can't.
Now, if it's a carrier update file via iTunes, that might be somewhat believable, but as the article is written it's entirely unbelievable.
Case in point:
According to Alpha, in iOS 4 there is a line of code which they wrote that sends OTA (Over The Air) updates to the user every 7-14 days which detects and locks the system if it is not using AT&T network.
That sentence makes absolutely no sense. How, exactly, is AT&T or Apple going to send an Over-the-Air update to a phone that's NOT on AT&T's network in the first place. Simple: They can't.
Now, if it's a carrier update file via iTunes, that might be somewhat believable, but as the article is written it's entirely unbelievable.
Google does it with the nexus one.... unlocked phones on 2 different networks still get a OTA update... how I do not know.
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