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Leaked: Apple Stealing All FaceTime Information, AT&T Locks Users via OTA Updates

Mugambo said:
Hello "App Store"
Hello "Multitasking"
Hello "Copy Paste"
Hello "Video recording"
Hello "many more features which Apple adopted from the jailbreaking community that I know but tired of typing"

Oh and one more thing, Jailbreaking community should not be confused with iPhone user base.
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How many of those can you prove were 'invented' by the Jailbreaking ragtag fugitive fleet? Just because they were first to the hobbyist/hacking users doesn't mean they were invented there, and they certainly haven't been perfected there.

But this is a pointless discussion. The Jailbreaking 'community' doesn't matter. It has no purpose other than planned obsolescence.
 
i'm not saying i believe this article or not, but it has peaked my interest.

needless to say a lot of you asked how this would work if you aren't on AT&Ts network to begin with, he addresses that in the comments somewhat:

I don’t think that’s what Mac C is asking. He’s asking, if the phone is already on another carrier’s network (i.e., T-Mobile), how would AT&T send it OTA updates to brick your phone, considering it would no longer be on AT&T’s network?

One:
Tom I have removed my other comment. Just to clarify, it works like this:

What its doing (supposedly) is sending an update without which the phone would lock down, only affecting those on a different network that won’t get the signal.

I hope it is clear now !

Two:
There is another useful comment on Gizmodo which explains how this could work:

The update isn’t what supposedly does the damage. That doesn’t make sense.

The lack of the “update” is what does it. Not on the network, no update. Thus, your phone gets locked down.
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Worst yet is once a person connects to another person on FaceTime it for some reason non of us in the office can figure out, sends us APPLE a message and says those two people are connecting via Facetime and gives out their location to us
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Well, this is an easy one. It is sending Apple a message that says those two people are connecting because it HAS to.

There has to be some sort of registration scheme to allow a call to be initiated. This is similar to (actually, probably identical, given the list of standards they are using) to setting-up a VOIP call. So, Apple is maintaining a database that is necessary for call set-up.

It's disappointing if it's true that the data stream is unencrypted, however.
 
ReallyBigFeet said:
How many of those can you prove were 'invented' by the Jailbreaking ragtag fugitive fleet? Just because they were first to the hobbyist/hacking users doesn't mean they were invented there, and they certainly haven't been perfected there.

But this is a pointless discussion. The Jailbreaking 'community' doesn't matter. It has no purpose other than planned obsolescence.
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Haha your ignorance amazes me. Did the jb community "invent" copy & paste and such? No, were they the first to implement it on the iPhone which Apple then copied and announced sometimes a year later like it is a new godsent feature? Yes.

Installer was before the App Store. Clippy was before Apple's copy/paste, backgrounder was before apples "true" multitasking (with even an acclaimed palm pre style manner, see: proswitcher). Video recording was on jailbroken phones before apple implemented it, Categories was before folders (and still is a better solution than Apple's), you could change your wallpaper (& every other image for that matter) before 4.0, and the list just literally goes on and on. You have no one to thank for iOS4 but the jailbreak community you so fiercely degrade.

Name me a feature in iOS4 that's phenomenal and I guarantee jb came up with it first. Every "new" feature in iOS4 isn't special to me because I have been able to do for YEARS. How? Jailbreak. With jailbreak you can also do things Apple will probably implement later and charge for, ie tethering. Can you create a mobile wifi hotspot with your iPhone? Oh, thats right. Can you send and reply to text messages in-app without leaving it, switching to messages, and going back? Nope, but I can and its glorious:D Please do research before you open your mouth with predisposed and ignorant misconceptions.
 
mpuck972 said:
Not in terms of breaking a usage agreement.
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What about the no contract iphone 4's then

chriskzoo said:
Not really - you're talking what, 10-20K people at most. They just sold 600k iP4's.
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I disagree. Everyone I know has a touch or iphone is jail broken. It is rare that someone is running stock in my expereince

ReallyBigFeet said:
How many of those can you prove were 'invented' by the Jailbreaking ragtag fugitive fleet? Just because they were first to the hobbyist/hacking users doesn't mean they were invented there, and they certainly haven't been perfected there.

But this is a pointless discussion. The Jailbreaking 'community' doesn't matter. It has no purpose other than planned obsolescence.
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You forget when apple wanted all devs to make webapps right?

Why you dismiss the fact that apple implements the key features first done in the jailbreak community is silly
 
dgree03 said:
The same way google pushes updates to nexus ones on any network...
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I am not very informed when it goes to Android devices but how do they do this? Does the carrier actually push the information to the Android device or does the device regularly check a server that google has to see if their phone is up to date.

To me there is a big difference if my device is getting pushed the data to lock it every two weeks or if they are requiring my device to check with a server every two weeks to see if I have unlocked it and if it is unlocked requiring an update.
 
lol I got like 1 paragraph in and was like wow is this fake. i'm sure something some android fanboys concocted to take away from the iPhone 4 launch lol.
 
Bernie-Macbook said:
Haha your ignorance amazes me. Did the jb community "invent" copy & paste and such? No, were they the first to implement it on the iPhone which Apple then copied and announced sometimes a year later like it is a new

.......

Please do research before you open your mouth with predisposed and ignorant misconceptions.
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Nice rant. While you are in the penalty box, take some time to review Apples patents and then, properly educated, tell me again what innovations the jailbreak hobby groups " invented" and implemented only to have Apple steal.

You really have no clue how product lifecycle management works, do you?

Enjoy your delusions.
 
SHIFTLife said:
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but after reading the first few paragraphs, I can tell you it's pure BS.

Case in point:
According to “Alpha”, in iOS 4 there is a line of code which they wrote that sends OTA (Over The Air) updates to the user every 7-14 days which detects and locks the system if it is not using AT&T network.

That sentence makes absolutely no sense. How, exactly, is AT&T or Apple going to send an Over-the-Air update to a phone that's NOT on AT&T's network in the first place. Simple: They can't.

Now, if it's a carrier update file via iTunes, that might be somewhat believable, but as the article is written it's entirely unbelievable.
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Know you didn't read the thread, but at least read the article. The OTA update, according to the article, doesn't lock the phone. The LACK of an OTA update locks the phone. If the phone doesn't get the update, then it locks. Makes sense, if it's true, which I doubt.
 
well if there is code in ios4 somewhere what is it. i would like to see it. im sure there is some developer who went through it and would have found it a long time ago just like they found how to enable multitasking, i call BS as well
 
What if I put my phone in airplane mode for 2 weeks, or outside a service area, and use it as an iPod or whatever.. how the hell is this even fair/possible??
 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3406

From Apple:
You can use any SIM card associated with the carrier that your device supports to activate the phone... Then remove the SIM card. You can now use the iPhone 3G or iPhone 3GS as you would an iPod touch (Wi-Fi only, no cellular service).

So if the new "rumor" is correct, users who legally use their iPhone as an iTouch, will get their device lockdown?

Right... :rolleyes:
 
ReallyBigFeet said:
How many of those can you prove were 'invented' by the Jailbreaking ragtag fugitive fleet? Just because they were first to the hobbyist/hacking users doesn't mean they were invented there, and they certainly haven't been perfected there.

But this is a pointless discussion. The Jailbreaking 'community' doesn't matter. It has no purpose other than planned obsolescence.
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All the features like Copy-Paste, Video Recording, Apps etc etc were brought to the iPhone platform.

If you talk about inventing cut/paste, its been there as long as mankind unless you want a digital version which has been around for decades.

Without an ounce of doubt credit goes to the jailbreaking community (or as you say "ragtag fugitive fleet") for bringing these features to the iPhone years before Apple came to the party.

Jailbreaking community doesn't matter? We probably should've waited for iPhone 7 to see copy paste and multitasking! :eek:
 
Interesting that you are concerned about Apple stealing facetime information such as when you place a call. Yet Google has been tracking everything you type on the internet for years and no one seems to care ?
 
austinjw said:
Know you didn't read the thread, but at least read the article. The OTA update, according to the article, doesn't lock the phone. The LACK of an OTA update locks the phone. If the phone doesn't get the update, then it locks. Makes sense, if it's true, which I doubt.
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Good god, did YOU read the article? See below:

AT&T LOCKING IOS4 USERS VIA REGULAR OTA UPDATES

According to “Alpha”, in iOS 4 there is a line of code which they wrote that sends OTA (Over The Air) updates to the user every 7-14 days which detects and locks the system if it is not using AT&T network.

That says to me "AT&T sends update, locks system if not using AT&T network".

As far as Base Bands go it does not matter what baseband you TRY to get on the iPhone cause in the iOS4 there is a line of code we wrote that stands for OAU also known as “Over Air Updates”. How it works is every 7 to 14 days We (Apple) and AT&T send a message to your iPhone that gathers some data from your iPhone without you knowing and we see what is running, baseband and firmware.

And that says the same thing to me. AT&T and/or Apple "sends a message" to your phone that "gathers data" and sends it back to Apple/AT&T.

And before you argue that the second part of the paragraph I just quoted states that if you don't accept the update, your phone gets locked, think about this: How does this update get to the phone in the first place, where you even have the option to decline?

The article contradicts itself in many places, it's clearly a bunch of crap, and I'm happy to say "I told you so" in 3-4 months when nothing about these "OTA" updates comes true.
 
I really don't see this happening.
I would be one of the first people to turn on airplane mode on for 2 weeks and then take them too court.

About the facetime thing, I thought it was already established that we were connecting through apple? Meaning it's ovbious they would get our info.
 
Um somebody explain how ATT sends OTA updates to phones that are on another carrier.

On. Another. Carrier.

Next!
 
Small White Car said:
FACT 1: If an Apple employee decided to risk his career to get this very important information out to the public, he'd want to go somewhere that reaches the most people most directly.

FACT 2: That does not describe addictivetips.com.

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If they'd said they'd stolen some documents or something that might be a bit more believable...but we're supposed to believe that this Apple employee just woke up one day and just decided to call addictivetips.com?

That's the part I find the most unbelievable.
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Actually, what I find the most unbelievable is that this guy claims no encryption is used on the call... when SRTP, one of the standards used and displayed during the keynote, is meant specifically to encrypt and validate audio/video streams.

It's pretty ballsy to contradict that.
 
If this is proven to be true (half of it already has been), it's scary the road that Apple is taking. I liked them better when they were a less resourceful and smaller company, but now that they're learning the evil tactics of AT&T, it's creepy to watch how much disregard they have for your privacy.

Just maybe, this whole locked/anti-jailbreak fiasco will be resolved with other carriers...
 
chembox said:
If this is proven to be true (half of it already has been), it's scary the road that Apple is taking. I liked them better when they were a less resourceful and smaller company, but now that they're learning the evil tactics of AT&T, it's creepy to watch how much disregard they have for your privacy.

Just maybe, this whole locked/anti-jailbreak fiasco will be resolved with other carriers...
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Which half, and with what evidence?
 
jtara said:
Um somebody explain how ATT sends OTA updates to phones that are on another carrier.

On. Another. Carrier.

Next!
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If you had read the article you would see that the fact it doesn't send it to you that gets your phone blocked out.
Not saying I believe it though. I have stated what I think further up.
 
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