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Just checking. Movies on iTunes aren't actually 'streamed' are they? I always thought they were full downloads (which is why the quality is good). They just start playing the movie as soon as enough of it has downloaded that it will be completely downloaded before you've watched the whole movie. Which is why it probably feels like a stream?
 
If there is indeed a vulnerability that has been exploited by those who pirate movies to access 4K iTunes content, Apple is likely to implement a fix quickly to prevent pirates from stealing additional 4K movies.

If pirates spent as much time hacking **** they don't want to pay for as they do working they could save themselves some time and afford the damn movie. #facepalm
In this case they did me a favor since I had no idea this movie was so AWFUL.

I would never pay for this crap in any shape or form.

Anyway... I don't think you realize what these hackers are trying to accomplish. They aren't ALL concerned about not paying and getting free stuff.

They want to bypass these s.hitty restrictions (to stop all this megalomania), if weren't for them we wouldn't even have our little gadgets we think are so great.

I think these articles might help you understand my point:

https://torrentfreak.com/you-dont-really-own-that-movie-you-bought-but-pirates-180915/

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

https://torrentfreak.com/the-copyright-industry-a-century-of-deceit-111127/
https://torrentfreak.com/thirty-years-since-betamax-and-movies-are-still-being-made-140118/ (this is the best article for someone to understand the goal here is to exert supreme control over what users can do with legally paid contents, and even ban technologies that give us some freedom)

https://torrentfreak.com/apple-is-running-bittorrent-trackers-in-cupertino-160306/

About that Amazon case (in which they erased without the users consent purchased ebooks, like 1984), even when I buy a Kindle ebook you know what's the first thing I do? Hack into my file and defeat the "DRM" in it, and then create a 2nd copy that can't be erased by their servers. I also create a PDF from it.

The right to do a private (again: it's private, not shared with the rest of the world!) copy of anything you paid for it's sacred and inserted in the copyright laws themselves, however defeating (cracking) security measures is illegal under the DMCA.

This is one of many aberrations of these concocted copyright laws (public domain after centuries is another) and among the reasons why I stopped investing in anything I don't have a guarantee of control.

With Apple you can't backup your apps (remember they tried to remove the App Store from iTunes?) and you are totally forced to do things online 24/7, so if you want ALL your movies, songs, games, etc. to stay there 5 years from now and ALL available OFFLINE you either have to resort to some sort of hack or yield to piracy.

Instead of complaining about the hackers who got this movie you should ask Apple why they don't allow you to play them in whatever device you want (and the same can be said about videogames, why should I buy tons of them when my PC should be enough with emulators (despite not all of them being perfect)? Why buy a pathetic SNES Classic Mini with 21 built-in games when the original system had more than 1000?).

We should all support hackers, we owe everything to them.

That's not the same as condoning piracy.
 
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Not in the United States.
yes in USA

https://www.noteburner.com/mac-m4v-converter-plus.html

http://www.thundershare.net/mac-drm-removal/

there are many more but I just sent you those 2 as an example
hope I don't get in trouble for that
just in case MR , those are not ilegal or crack apps
I didn't say buy or download
I just told Worldspinning because he didn't know that kind of apps exist

"Remove DRM from iTunes Rentals and Purchases"

there are other apps just like those for audio files and books
 
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Meanwhile human eyes STILL cannot determine the difference between 4K and 1080P on a 12" sceen when you sitting 2 feet away. Go ahead try and prove optics and physics wrong!​
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Did you ever think maybe the reason why it is "meh" is because the studios know CRIMINALS like you will steal it no matter what they put out?!
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So? Just because you don't feel like paying for it, it is STILL illegal! The same way it would be illegal for me to come to your house and take everything YOU worked to earn money to pay for!
not really the same but ok. try it big boy
 
yes in USA

there are many more but I just sent you those 2 as an example
hope I don't get in trouble for that
just in case MR , those are not ilegal or crack apps
I didn't say buy or download
I just told Worldspinning because he didn't know that kind of apps exist

"Remove DRM from iTunes Rentals and Purchases"

there are other apps just like those for audio files and books

Yes, you're right. You can acquire applications from within the United States. However, it is illegal to use, sell and distribute devices or software within the United States that circumvent encryption. Both of the sites you provided are registered in the Republic of China. You are using legal Chinese software illegally in the United States by circumventing DRM (encryption) which is clearly stated as a criminal offense in the DMCA. The only exception to this, as dictated by the Library of Congress, is for educational and documentary use. This is the often misunderstood "Fair Use" exception which only applies to small sections of material for use in the previously mentioned situations.

I'm not a lawyer so, by all means, see for yourself:
https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2015/fedreg-publicinspectionFR.pdf

This is revisited every three years by the Library of Congress. I believe in 2018 the only significant change made was to allow circumventing DRM embedded software in hardware for right-to-repair.
 
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I guess I thought it was implied that proving piracy is theft was answer enough. Since this concept of right and wrong seems to be lost on you... The whole reason you get people to realize piracy is the same as theft is that knowing it's theft should be enough to stop them. Even if you don't care about the people you affect, you don't steal food, CDs or cars for that reason. Or is it that you know you only get caught when you steal a physical thing? You've deprived someone of their profits either way. The day the law cracks down on people who hide behind torrents and VPNs to download movies, music and software is the day piracy goes down.
*smh* So you have no plan forward. Saying "you" 10 times in one paragraph just shows the focus here is pointing fingers, and not actually having a discussion about substantive solutions to reduce piracy.

If you think for one second that Lucas Films just threw away the original versions of those movies after remastering them, you truly are deluding yourself. They archived them and you know it. Besides, it's their content and his creation. Just because you don't like his new vision doesn't make him a bad person or give you the right to steal from him.

Disney can do with their material whatever they want. They made it and own it. Again, just because you want it for free doesn't mean you get to decide that. They decide that and they decided they like protecting their creations and making money off them. There is nothing even remotely immoral about protecting their property.
First, how sad is it that you're here defending George Lucas and Disney. Can it get any more "hail corporate" than that?

Second, when I said piracy provides an archive, I meant a public archive. Lucas was actually asked to share a copy of the cinematic version of Star Wars with the Library of Congress. That wouldn't make it publicly available, but it would preserve it. He refused. By the way, that "documentary" use exception to the DMCA, this is what it's about. It's about preservation.

Third, Disney and Lucas don't own it forever. The public owns it forever. Public domain used to mean something. Copyrights used to last 14 years, renewable to 14 more for a total of 28 years. Then it was 42 years. Then Disney made it life plus 50 years. Then Disney made it life plus 70 years. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs should be in the public domain by now. But no, screw the public and all hail corporate!

Try announcing that you're leaving your doors unlocked, sharing your PIN codes, setting all your passwords to "password" and see how long it takes for someone to pirate off with your stuff. There's a reason we have locks and passwords and codes... history proves dishonest people take other people's stuff without their permission and without payment. That's why people try to protect their stuff. That's why DRM exists. Pirating doesn't exits because of DRM.
Lol what? Pirate off with my stuff? People are welcome to come over and copy any of my stuff, as long as they don't touch my versions. Have a 3d scanner? Come on over!

When you learn that DRM just hurts consumers and does nothing to stop pirating. Tangible-world solutions don't work in the digital world.

Here is DRM in tangible-world terms: DRM is like buying a car, but the dealer won't give you the keys. Instead, the dealer unlocks it once. And if you accidentally lock the car again, you have to have it towed back to the dealer for unlocking. And if the dealer goes out of business, you're screwed.

But I'm done with this. It's impossible to debate with someone who (without any real concern for the those they hurt) picks out the pieces that fit nicely into their view of what they have decided is acceptable civil behavior and ignore the parts that don't.
You're the one who kept trying to make it a debate about civility. I tried to make a discussion about reducing piracy, but you weren't interested in having that discussion.
 
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Yeah because the only way to stream Aqua man 4K is by buying an Apple TV and then buying the movie in iTunes. No thank you, and thank you pirates since it’s already on torrent sites and will be putting it on my Plex servers.

It isn't just available on iTunes. You could buy it on Vudu, Google Play, Microsoft or Fandango Now and add it to your Movies Anywhere account to get it in all those places for no additional cost. Then you'd have it in five places in 4K with several ways of streaming it.
 
It isn't just available on iTunes. You could buy it on Vudu, Google Play, Microsoft or Fandango Now and add it to your Movies Anywhere account to get it in all those places for no additional cost. Then you'd have it in five places in 4K with several ways of streaming it.
I can’t watch 4K content on my Windows 10 computer even though I have the hardware and screen for it.
 
Bummer... but I was thinking more for other devices like Roku and such. Seems to me 4k would only be advantageous on larger screens.
Screen size by itself is irrelevant; what matters is the angle of view subtended by your screen.

A 27-inch screen two feet from your eyes subtends a much larger angle of view than an 85-inch screen nine feet from your eyes.
 
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Pirating movies you like just ensures that those filmmakers may take longer / not get to make their next movie at all.

I made an award-winning horror movie 7 years ago. It was pirated 100,000 times the day it was released. I was broke.

I am just NOW finishing my second horror movie since 2012.

I wrote an article (below) about the financial struggles a few years ago alongside an experiment we tried to fight piracy through Creative Commons (the experiment was a success but just barely and couldn’t scale up for a movie with an actual budget that could pay a crew). Edit: “fight” piracy is a strong wording... I meant we were trying to provide a movie in a new way that didn’t need to be pirated because it would be free to all after a presale period.

https://filmmakermagazine.com/97398-cracking-eggs-looking-for-financial-stability-outside-of-independent-film

On the flipside, my newest movie is premiering at Tribeca Film Festival next month, so I’m back in that honeymoon phase where I’m broke but at least excited about the future potential.

100% agree! I too work in the industry but on the home entertainment side and people just don’t have a clue about the wider impact.

Your not stealing from the big fat cat studio boss your limiting/slowly putting people out of work such as indie film maker, producer, finance, designers, editors, sales staff, cinema staff, admin officer workers and retail workers and also distribution networks and delivery drivers.

1,000’s of jobs have probably been lost as a result of piracy.

You wouldn’t steal from the grocery store or any other physical store so why do you think it’s okay to download films illegally? It’s motally wrong and you should be ashamed.

If started stealing products/services from your jobs you’d be out of work as well
 
What a wondrous age of ingenuity we live in! We could use some of that composting software here in the MacRumors forums!

I am unfortunately the owner of a crappy s9 work phone with awful autocorrect :)
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So if I take a picture of a painting I stole it?

Yup...if it is in copyright. But that generally that is not a long time with art. Also that would be a poor representation of the artwork. If you took in a 42mpix camera and lit it correctly and had a full size printable scalable copy then that would be illegal.
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Nope. That’s a pirates view. You can wash copyright infringement up in as many memes, jpgs as you want but if you view something for free that should have been paid for it’s theft. If you are not paying the creator of something it is theft. The car analogy is utterly stupid too.
 
I am unfortunately the owner of a crappy s9 work phone with awful autocorrect :)
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Yup...if it is in copyright. But that generally that is not a long time with art. Also that would be a poor representation of the artwork. If you took in a 42mpix camera and lit it correctly and had a full size printable scalable copy then that would be illegal.
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Nope. That’s a pirates view. You can wash copyright infringement up in as many memes, jpgs as you want but if you view something for free that should have been paid for it’s theft. If you are not paying the creator of something it is theft. The car analogy is utterly stupid too.

piracy meme is the funniest thing I’ve seen! I’d assume that’s a gag and not an actual argument for piracy
 
100% agree! I too work in the industry but on the home entertainment side and people just don’t have a clue about the wider impact.

Your not stealing from the big fat cat studio boss your limiting/slowly putting people out of work such as indie film maker, producer, finance, designers, editors, sales staff, cinema staff, admin officer workers and retail workers and also distribution networks and delivery drivers.

1,000’s of jobs have probably been lost as a result of piracy.

You wouldn’t steal from the grocery store or any other physical store so why do you think it’s okay to download films illegally? It’s motally wrong and you should be ashamed.

If started stealing products/services from your jobs you’d be out of work as well
All these jobs were lost because the companies were/are greedy as f. and couldn't envision the technologies we have today. In fact they tried to ban recorders (and who says they are only used for this? Are knives and guns only created to kill people? Should we ban them, too?) decades ago for fear this could be the end of their industry. Gee, that must be the reason why all movies released these days only profit 500 mi to 1 bi...

Or the reason the gaming market is making more money than ever before?

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/22/video-game-revenue-tops-43-billion-in-2018-an-18-jump-from-2017/

They tried to ban bittorrent when even Apple uses it to improve their services (but you can't download a bittorrent app from Apple Store!):

https://torrentfreak.com/apple-is-running-bittorrent-trackers-in-cupertino-160306/

Listen, there is only piracy because these same companies impose tough copyright laws (and want to put in jail whoever downloads anything, sometimes resorting to fraudulent schemes to extort money from REAL victims, in some countries this is legal without a fair chance for the accused to defend himself thoroughly) and a series of restrictions (Netflix also does not offer worldwide the shows they own and create!).

If we had a true streaming service today then there wouldn't be much need to still purchase physical media.

Or you would do that only for specific titles.

I had hundreds of discs that I not only sold (all legal/original), I also threw many away (DVD-Rs which I already had stored in the cloud), for the sole reason I don't want to accumulate trash, I don't suffer from hoarding disorder. My bedroom needs more space to store important stuff.

I want, however, all my contents to be available in digital form and in all my devices (not only the ones they decide for me). If Warner (for example) isn't doing that (or inserting DRM into whatever I buy, preventing a backup copy, something I consider sacred!) then they will not see a penny from me.

The same applies to Microsoft, Adobe, etc. What people like you fail to understand (or perhaps YOU DO UNDERSTAND, YET PRETENDS OTHERWISE) is that if were not for free copies/piracy then the same pirates wouldn't buy the official releases if they had NO CHOICE. They would simply NOT BUY! That's it.

I'll explain again:

- You are offering a backup protected disc with many restrictions and unfair price (the latter is not the only factor to take into account)
- I don't like the movie/game or the sh.itty service your company provides

Now:

- Imagine a scenario in which there is no free copy anywhere (no piracy)

Still you would lose sales simply for the reasons already explained: people like me rejecting the official release(s).

What should YOU do to avoid that? Find out the reasons behind it. And all you can come up with is... money. That's what I find hilarious in all such discussions. It all comes down to paying/not paying for it. :D

If were not possible for me to buy the original Mona Lisa painting (or see in the museum where it's located) then I would opt to see it in digital copy, and if that were not in the table then I would forget about it.

Not buying a game, movie, etc. is not the same as "we are losing sales because someone is downloading a free copy".

It simply means what you are offering is so bad and flawed that you need to devise copyright laws that only benefit YOU, the middle-man (never the content creators) to prevent others from accessing that product with a little more freedom and under reasonable circumstances.

Not only a copy is not a theft (what was stolen in the 1st place?) it's also a means of perpetuating the existence of such works. If were not for the people who copied the old manuscripts (thousands of years ago) we wouldn't have them.

About that bit I always remember Socrates (see: Plato) views about writing:

http://apt46.net/2011/05/18/socrates-was-against-writing/

The reasons given by him to not put so much importance to writings is valid, however if were not for those who preserved his ideas then they would cease to be spread over 2000 years ago. Guess back then materialism wasn't all that mattered.

The most benefited when you do a copy is, as incredible as this may sound, the people involved in creating these products. They don't want to be forgotten because Nintendo, Sony or any other dirty corporation decided to shelve them for decades and never re-release, because they can and stupid copyright laws approved without anyone's consent says they are allowed for 100 or more years.

When something is not in public domain for so much time everyone loses as a result, too. Look at all multiple Dracula, Zorro, etc. adaptations.

This is what I consider stealing (despite not agreeing with any law that says content creators should be paid for so much time):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_lawsuits_by_Superman's_creators

These are the real thieves, not the average guy downloading a file.

Conventional wisdom says that no one should bring up a problem unless that person has a proposed solution.

Mine would be to listen to what the customers want and give it to them.

Make a few compromises, at least.

This is what Sega does, and Nintendon't:
https://kotaku.com/sega-takes-shot-at-nintendo-encourages-fans-to-keep-ma-1786527246


To sum things up: the way the system is rigged is not an accident, the artificial scarcity (purposeful imitation of an item's supply) is something no one here seems to notice, or care... yet it's the cornerstone of all arguments I am making against these corporations.

With the possibility of making infinite copies the price of these contents necessarily drop since they are no longer limited to physical media or any other system created to ensure not many people can gain access to them.

Basically they all want a monopoly of being the only ones allowed to create such copies, and the world doesn't work like this anymore.

Either they all adapt to the needs of their customers/fan base or will all be crushed without mercy.

When typewriters stopped selling as they used to and became a niche I didn't see anyone proposing computers to be banned/destroyed. Or when CDs stopped selling and many opted to pay for the digital. You get my point.

This is exactly what's at stake here.

They all want customers to behave like obedient slaves, and never question anything.

And since you mentioned about jobs that could be lost in film productions, why don't you also talk about the fact everyone is now asking for more money, and this became a lot worse over the years?

Why a movie actor should win 20, 40 or more million dollars per movie? And that applies to EVERYONE INVOLVED in the production. Why CGI is and has become so much expensive (despite the movies looking fake/badly done)?

Why no one proposes to spend less in salaries, marketing, etc.?

When this started to happen decades ago (long before we had widespread internet and piracy!) I knew what was going to be the outcome. The exact thing happens these days with GAMES:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/gam...oney-has-ruined-the-gaming-industry-29340216/

Why modern games are so much expensive to be created, and why are sold for hefty prices, and the content creators keep inserting reasons inside them to force you to pay again and again?

Like I said:

Nobody seems to notice where we are heading.

Nobody seems to care.

I do care, that's why I don't go to the movies anymore, that's why I don't feel inclined to buy games or pay for official stuff all the time, even though money is not an issue to me.

These companies DON'T CARE about anything except themselves.

And that will be their downfall.
 
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All these jobs were lost because the companies were/are greedy as f. and couldn't envision the technologies we have today. In fact they tried to ban recorders (and who says they are only used for this? Are knives and guns only created to kill people? Should we ban them, too?) decades ago for fear this could be the end of their industry. Gee, that must be the reason why all movies released these days only profit 500 mi to 1 bi...

Or the reason the gaming market is making more money than ever before?

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/22/video-game-revenue-tops-43-billion-in-2018-an-18-jump-from-2017/

They tried to ban bittorrent when even Apple uses it to improve their services (but you can't download a bittorrent app from Apple Store!):

https://torrentfreak.com/apple-is-running-bittorrent-trackers-in-cupertino-160306/

Listen, there is only piracy because these same companies impose tough copyright laws (and want to put in jail whoever downloads anything, sometimes resorting to fraudulent schemes to extort money from REAL victims, in some countries this is legal without a fair chance for the accused to defend himself thoroughly) and a series of restrictions (Netflix also does not offer worldwide the shows they own and create!).

If we had a true streaming service today then there wouldn't be much need to still purchase physical media.

Or you would do that only for specific titles.

I had hundreds of discs that I not only sold (all legal/original), I also threw many away (DVD-Rs which I already had stored in the cloud), for the sole reason I don't want to accumulate trash, I don't suffer from hoarding disorder. My bedroom needs more space to store important stuff.

I want, however, all my contents to be available in digital form and in all my devices (not only the ones they decide for me). If Warner (for example) isn't doing that (or inserting DRM into whatever I buy, preventing a backup copy, something I consider sacred!) then they will not see a penny from me.

The same applies to Microsoft, Adobe, etc. What people like you fail to understand (or perhaps YOU DO UNDERSTAND, YET PRETENDS OTHERWISE) is that if were not for free copies/piracy then the same pirates wouldn't buy the official releases if they had NO CHOICE. They would simply NOT BUY! That's it.

I'll explain again:

- You are offering a backup protected disc with many restrictions and unfair price (the latter is not the only factor to take into account)
- I don't like the movie/game or the sh.itty service your company provides

Now:

- Imagine a scenario in which there is no free copy anywhere (no piracy)

Still you would lose sales simply for the reasons already explained: people like me rejecting the official release(s).

What should YOU do to avoid that? Find out the reasons behind it. And all you can come up with is... money. That's what I find hilarious in all such discussions. It all comes down to paying/not paying for it. :D

If were not possible for me to buy the original Mona Lisa painting (or see in the museum where it's located) then I would opt to see it in digital copy, and if that were not in the table then I would forget about it.

Not buying a game, movie, etc. is not the same as "we are losing sales because someone is downloading a free copy".

It simply means what you are offering is so bad and flawed that you need to devise copyright laws that only benefit YOU, the middle-man (never the content creators) to prevent others from accessing that product with a little more freedom and under reasonable circumstances.

Not only a copy is not a theft (what was stolen in the 1st place?) it's also a means of perpetuating the existence of such works. If were not for the people who copied the old manuscripts (thousands of years ago) we wouldn't have them.

About that bit I always remember Socrates (see: Plato) views about writing:

http://apt46.net/2011/05/18/socrates-was-against-writing/

The reasons given by him to not put so much importance to writings is valid, however if were not for those who preserved his ideas then they would cease to be spread over 2000 years ago. Guess back then materialism wasn't all that mattered.

The most benefited when you do a copy is, as incredible as this may sound, the people involved in creating these products. They don't want to be forgotten because Nintendo, Sony or any other dirty corporation decided to shelve them for decades and never re-release, because they can and stupid copyright laws approved without anyone's consent says they are allowed for 100 or more years.

When something is not in public domain for so much time everyone loses as a result, too. Look at all multiple Dracula, Zorro, etc. adaptations.

This is what I consider stealing (despite not agreeing with any law that says content creators should be paid for so much time):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_lawsuits_by_Superman's_creators

These are the real thieves, not the average guy downloading a file.

Conventional wisdom says that no one should bring up a problem unless that person has a proposed solution.

Mine would be to listen to what the customers want and give it to them.

Make a few compromises, at least.

This is what Sega does, and Nintendon't:
https://kotaku.com/sega-takes-shot-at-nintendo-encourages-fans-to-keep-ma-1786527246


To sum things up: the way the system is rigged is not an accident, the artificial scarcity (purposeful imitation of an item's supply) is something no one here seems to notice, or care... yet it's the cornerstone of all arguments I am making against these corporations.

With the possibility of making infinite copies the price of these contents necessarily drop since they are no longer limited to physical media or any other system created to ensure not many people can gain access to them.

Basically they all want a monopoly of being the only ones allowed to create such copies, and the world doesn't work like this anymore.

Either they all adapt to the needs of their customers/fan base or will all be crushed without mercy.

When typewriters stopped selling as they used to and became a niche I didn't see anyone proposing computers to be banned/destroyed. Or when CDs stopped selling and many opted to pay for the digital. You get my point.

This is exactly what's at stake here.

They all want customers to behave like obedient slaves, and never question anything.

And since you mentioned about jobs that could be lost in film productions, why don't you also talk about the fact everyone is now asking for more money, and this became a lot worse over the years?

Why a movie actor should win 20, 40 or more million dollars per movie? And that applies to EVERYONE INVOLVED in the production. Why CGI is and has become so much expensive (despite the movies looking fake/badly done)?

Why no one proposes to spend less in salaries, marketing, etc.?

When this started to happen decades ago (long before we had widespread internet and piracy!) I knew what was going to be the outcome. The exact thing happens these days with GAMES:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/gam...oney-has-ruined-the-gaming-industry-29340216/

Why modern games are so much expensive to be created, and why are sold for hefty prices, and the content creators keep inserting reasons inside them to force you to pay again and again?

Like I said:

Nobody seems to notice where we are heading.

Nobody seems to care.

I do care, that's why I don't go to the movies anymore, that's why I don't feel inclined to buy games or pay for official stuff all the time, even though money is not an issue to me.

These companies DON'T CARE about anything except themselves.

And that will be their downfall.

I made a movie without a company producing it. I released it for $5 to OWN digitally with no DRM, directly from my own website, with no greedy company in between. Hundreds of thousands of people have pirated the movie.

The website has not sold ONE SINGLE drm-free download in 3 months, yet there are 20 people leeching off of torrents at this exact second... 7 years after release.

I gave pirates what they’re asking for. I removed corporations and I removed DRM and I paid a lawyer $4,000 to negotiate a contract where I would be allowed to retain the rights to offer the movie without DRM as I did. 7 years later we still haven’t earned back those legal fees from the direct DRM-free sales.

The people around me are not being paid millions of dollars we are paying out of pocket to make films.

When they are pirated it feels like a very private violation. It feels personal and devastating.

I work full-time outside of movies to pay my bills. When I lost a client last year, I had to sell my movie camera to pay my rent. Not a rich *******’s camera, an $1800 camera. But theres a hundred people pirating my movie a day.

It’s very scary how little empathy exists online.
 
I made a movie without a company producing it. I released it for $5 to OWN digitally with no DRM, directly from my own website, with no greedy company in between. Hundreds of thousands of people have pirated the movie.

The website has not sold ONE SINGLE drm-free download in 3 months, yet there are 20 people leeching off of torrents at this exact second... 7 years after release.

I gave pirates what they’re asking for. I removed corporations and I removed DRM and I paid a lawyer $4,000 to negotiate a contract where I would be allowed to retain the rights to offer the movie without DRM as I did. 7 years later we still haven’t earned back those legal fees from the direct DRM-free sales.

The people around me are not being paid millions of dollars we are paying out of pocket to make films.

When they are pirated it feels like a very private violation. It feels personal and devastating.

I work full-time outside of movies to pay my bills. When I lost a client last year, I had to sell my movie camera to pay my rent. Not a rich *******’s camera, an $1800 camera. But theres a hundred people pirating my movie a day.

It’s very scary how little empathy exists online.
I don't think it all comes down to lack of empathy. The truth is that the best aspect from the internet (which is being destroyed more and more everyday, especially in countries like Russia) is that you can share a myriad of things with the entire world and practically everywhere, in a faster rate and with more involvement never seen before in all human history.

We live in the 21st century so we have no idea how things were bad in, say, a year like 1100.

We take things like readily available fresh water, electricity, airplanes, etc. for granted, never noticing these were not a reality a few centuries ago. Not even kings had the luxury we enjoy these days.

We tend to forget the fact gaining access to contents was not practical in the past since few copies existed (and a lot of good stuff was simply destroyed! Never preserved as it should. The Library of Alexandria was one of them) and just a few decades ago it was impossible to read a book without bringing with you piles of papers (and their heavy weight/dust) that were all taking a lot of space and making everyone unwilling to revisit them.

With movies the same thing happened when everyone started to ditch DVD-players and untrustworthy discs and opted for streaming and accessing everything from the internet. I said to myself "cord-cutting" (cancelling subscription to TV channels and prefering the internet) was going to be a reality (and I thought this more than a decade before Netflix) and over the years this has been the case and the old ways are losing more and more market every day.

Restricting access to what you created with help from draconian copyright laws or attempting to send people to jail will never work. This will only alienate potential customers.

Record labels were a problem not a long time ago, too. They used to take 93% of the cut, and make sure that 99.95% of artists never saw a cent in royalties. The demise of the record labels was the best thing that could possibly happen to art history, because it meant we got rid of a middleman that is purely parasitic.

With books the same thing happens, I heard from writers how little they get from the publishers, so it's very likely that unless your work sells many thousands of copies then you will not make a real profit.

If you are not making money from what you created then I am sorry to say, the blame is not on pirates who get it for free, it's simply the fact others aren't willing to pay for it.

I also struggle to sell used books I bought (printed versions) just to scan them and create a PDF (these printed books are rare and were never scanned before, so they were not available anywhere). I sell them in a "local eBay" for the same money I paid initially, yet I can only get rid of 1 book every 3-4 months (if I am lucky) and I have a pile here that I don't want taking space in my bedroom, still I can't throw away.

However I discovered that classic (1990s and before) videogames sell more than water offered in the hot desert. Within a day (or less than that) after advertising they are always being sold.

And over the years (not going into detail why... Google for it) there has been an incredible price hiking, no matter how good the title was.

Does that mean games are more important than books? Or that no one should pay anything for any of the involved in creating a movie? No.

It's just that over the years most people decided it was not worth paying for CERTAIN THINGS.

Again with the typewriter example: even if I am wasting a lot of money manufacturing them, if I can only sell to a restricted niche, is it worth to continue investing?

Saying that piracy is the only reason you are failing to make a profit is... just plain stupid.

For a while these same videogames didn't sell and companies went bankrupt.

Remember what happened in 1983?

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The video game crash of 1983 was a large-scale recession in the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985, primarily in North America. The crash was attributed to several factors, including market saturation in the number of game consoles and available games, and waning interest in console games in favor of personal computers. Revenues peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983, then fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). The crash was a serious event which abruptly ended what is retrospectively considered the second generation of console video gaming in North America.

Lasting about two years, the crash shook the then-booming industry, and led to the bankruptcy of several companies producing home computers and video game consoles in the region. Analysts of the time expressed doubts about the long-term viability of video game consoles and software. The North American video game console industry eventually recovered a few years later, mostly due to the widespread success of the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) in 1985; Nintendo designed the NES as the Western branding for its Famicom console originally released in 1983 in order to avoid the missteps which caused the 1983 crash and avoid the stigma which video games had at that time.

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Now what we see is that games make more profit than movies.

https://www.quora.com/Who-makes-more-money-Hollywood-or-the-video-game-industry

And since I mentioned typewriters... I don't know if they are being sold much these days, yet vinyl LPs are in demand... again.

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Turntables continue to be manufactured and sold in the 2010s, although in small numbers. While some audiophiles still prefer the sound of vinyl records over that of digital music sources (mainly compact discs), they represent a minority of listeners. As of 2015 the sale of vinyl LP's has increased 49–50% percent from the previous year although small in comparison to the sale of other formats which although more units were sold (Digital Sales, CDs) the more modern formats experienced a decline in sales.

The quality of available record players, tonearms, and cartridges has continued to improve, despite diminishing demand, allowing turntables to remain competitive in the high-end audio market. Vinyl enthusiasts are often committed to the refurbishment and sometimes tweaking of vintage systems. The chart on the right illustrates that users of one enthusiasts' forum post as many pictures of discontinued gear as they do of current models.

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There are many, many reasons why some products and services fail and others succeed. You may even fail if you are not advertising your stuff in the "right" places. If the movie cover isn't good enough. Or perhaps your content is bad and you didn't realize that.

Going back to the Aquaman case: crackers don't want to avoid paying for it (or any other movie) and that's it. They want the option of removing a restriction... in the table. For the thrill or because it's a stupid decision.

Apple loves to restrict what we can do with their devices and apps.

Back when I collected DVDs the companies insisted in placing ads (some couldn't be skipped!) in the beggining of the discs warning against piracy (as if the person who bought the disc was a criminal and had to be "disciplined"). Not to mention region codes which also made no sense.

Has any company made any effort to facilitate our lives? No. Nintendo and many others only care about control.

I agree some people simply don't care and pirate things anyway. Others care but aren't willing to stand for all the BS they are subjected to.

In my case I don't play games often and only want to do it in my PC. I love emulators, despite not being perfect all the time. This isn't an option with newer systems (and if I am not mistaken there's no piracy, and if there is then it's not as easy as it was before) so I don't buy any of it.

Many others are paying for the new stuff, I am not. That's the best example of all: since there's no alternative then I refused to buy.

BTW, since we are talking about movies I invite you to read this thread, too, which may also explain why there's a reluctance in paying for this kind of content:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tech-gets-outdated-fast-so-why-invest-so-soon.2160542/

You said you paid 1800 for your camera. I am not willing to spend that nowadays in a technology I am well aware it will cost a lot less (and become greatly improved) in the near future.

Another thing you haven't considered (or perhaps you have, but had to buy it anyway, we can't wait forever for the prices to drop).
 
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I don't think it all comes down to lack of empathy. The truth is that the best aspect from the internet (which is being destroyed more and more everyday, especially in countries like Russia) is that you can share a myriad of things with the entire world and practically everywhere, in a faster rate and with more involvement never seen before in all human history.

We live in the 21st century so we have no idea how things were bad in, say, a year like 1100.

We take things like readily available fresh water, electricity, airplanes, etc. for granted, never noticing these were not a reality a few centuries ago. Not even kings had the luxury we enjoy these days.

We tend to forget the fact gaining access to contents was not practical in the past since few copies existed (and a lot of good stuff was simply destroyed! Never preserved as it should. The Library of Alexandria was one of them) and just a few decades ago it was impossible to read a book without bringing with you piles of papers (and their heavy weight/dust) that were all taking a lot of space and making everyone unwilling to revisit them.

With movies the same thing happened when everyone started to ditch DVD-players and untrustworthy discs and opted for streaming and accessing everything from the internet. I said to myself "cord-cutting" (cancelling subscription to TV channels and prefering the internet) was going to be a reality (and I thought this more than a decade before Netflix) and over the years this has been the case and the old ways are losing more and more market every day.

Restricting access to what you created with help from draconian copyright laws or attempting to send people to jail will never work. This will only alienate potential customers.

Record labels were a problem not a long time ago, too. They used to take 93% of the cut, and make sure that 99.95% of artists never saw a cent in royalties. The demise of the record labels was the best thing that could possibly happen to art history, because it meant we got rid of a middleman that is purely parasitic.

With books the same thing happens, I heard from writers how little they get from the publishers, so it's very likely that unless your work sells many thousands of copies then you will not make a real profit.

If you are not making money from what you created then I am sorry to say, the blame is not on pirates who get it for free, it's simply the fact others aren't willing to pay for it.

I also struggle to sell used books I bought (printed versions) just to scan them and create a PDF (these printed books are rare and were never scanned before, so they were not available anywhere). I sell them in a "local eBay" for the same money I paid initially, yet I can only get rid of 1 book every 3-4 months (if I am lucky) and I have a pile here that I don't want taking space in my bedroom, still I can't throw away.

However I discovered that classic (1990s and before) videogames sell more than water offered in the hot desert. Within a day (or less than that) after advertising they are always being sold.

And over the years (not going into detail why... Google for it) there has been an incredible price hiking, no matter how good the title was.

Does that mean games are more important than books? Or that no one should pay anything for any of the involved in creating a movie? No.

It's just that over the years most people decided it was not worth paying for CERTAIN THINGS.

Again with the typewriter example: even if I am wasting a lot of money manufacturing them, if I can only sell to a restricted niche, is it worth to continue investing?

Saying that piracy is the only reason you are failing to make a profit is... just plain stupid.

For a while these same videogames didn't sell and companies went bankrupt.

Remember what happened in 1983?

*******
The video game crash of 1983 was a large-scale recession in the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985, primarily in North America. The crash was attributed to several factors, including market saturation in the number of game consoles and available games, and waning interest in console games in favor of personal computers. Revenues peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983, then fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). The crash was a serious event which abruptly ended what is retrospectively considered the second generation of console video gaming in North America.

Lasting about two years, the crash shook the then-booming industry, and led to the bankruptcy of several companies producing home computers and video game consoles in the region. Analysts of the time expressed doubts about the long-term viability of video game consoles and software. The North American video game console industry eventually recovered a few years later, mostly due to the widespread success of the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) in 1985; Nintendo designed the NES as the Western branding for its Famicom console originally released in 1983 in order to avoid the missteps which caused the 1983 crash and avoid the stigma which video games had at that time.

*******

Now what we see is that games make more profit than movies.

https://www.quora.com/Who-makes-more-money-Hollywood-or-the-video-game-industry

And since I mentioned typewriters... I don't know if they are being sold much these days, yet vinyl LPs are in demand... again.

*******
Turntables continue to be manufactured and sold in the 2010s, although in small numbers. While some audiophiles still prefer the sound of vinyl records over that of digital music sources (mainly compact discs), they represent a minority of listeners. As of 2015 the sale of vinyl LP's has increased 49–50% percent from the previous year although small in comparison to the sale of other formats which although more units were sold (Digital Sales, CDs) the more modern formats experienced a decline in sales.

The quality of available record players, tonearms, and cartridges has continued to improve, despite diminishing demand, allowing turntables to remain competitive in the high-end audio market. Vinyl enthusiasts are often committed to the refurbishment and sometimes tweaking of vintage systems. The chart on the right illustrates that users of one enthusiasts' forum post as many pictures of discontinued gear as they do of current models.

*******

There are many, many reasons why some products and services fail and others succeed. You may even fail if you are not advertising your stuff in the "right" places. If the movie cover isn't good enough. Or perhaps your content is bad and you didn't realize that.

Going back to the Aquaman case: crackers don't want to avoid paying for it (or any other movie) and that's it. They want the option of removing a restriction... in the table. For the thrill or because it's a stupid decision.

Apple loves to restrict what we can do with their devices and apps.

Back when I collected DVDs the companies insisted in placing ads (some couldn't be skipped!) in the beggining of the discs warning against piracy (as if the person who bought the disc was a criminal and had to be "disciplined"). Not to mention region codes which also made no sense.

Has any company made any effort to facilitate our lives? No. Nintendo and many others only care about control.

I agree some people simply don't care and pirate things anyway. Others care but aren't willing to stand for all the BS they are subjected to.

In my case I don't play games often and only want to do it in my PC. I love emulators, despite not being perfect all the time. This isn't an option with newer systems (and if I am not mistaken there's no piracy, and if there is then it's not as easy as it was before) so I don't buy any of it.

Many others are paying for the new stuff, I am not. That's the best example of all: since there's no alternative then I refused to buy.

BTW, since we are talking about movies I invite you to read this thread, too, which may also explain why there's a reluctance in paying for this kind of content:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tech-gets-outdated-fast-so-why-invest-so-soon.2160542/

You said you paid 1800 for your camera. I am not willing to spend that nowadays in a technology I am well aware it will cost a lot less (and become greatly improved) in the near future.

Another thing you haven't considered (or perhaps you have, but had to buy it anyway, we can't wait forever for the prices to drop).

The problem with the video game analogy is that these classic games are physical products that have become collectible and have a finite amount of copies.

The product of an indie movie today is a digital file to start. There is quite literally no way to differentiate our product from the pirated copies of our product.

What would the value of these classic physical games be if I found a warehouse of millions of copies of each one, opened the door, and said they’re all free?

I think your argument is that by offering our movie as a movie we can’t expect people to do anything but steal it and that we should do something new like release our movie as a bowl of spaghetti, as people will still pay for a bowl of spaghetti these days.

I released my movie DRM-free, then most people that paid would just scroll past that and click the link to iTunes. Nobody cares. It’s all habit and pirates are in the habit of pirating their movies. I can’t change that at this point... unless they like spaghetti!

EDIT to clarify: If a movie has no audience, let it die, let the filmmakers find new careers. The problem is having a great non-paying audience. I usually go on torrent sites to say... it’s cool if you torrent it, but if you like it, can you consider renting it afterward? You have to support the stuff you like or you won’t get more made.
 
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