It pisses me off all the lives they are ruining by pirating!
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It pisses me off all the lives they are ruining by pirating!
I've already explained why it is the same as stealing a physical copy. That's what started you and I debating. To summarize though - denying payment to someone for something of theirs that you consume is theft.
The key piece I think people don't understand or choose to ignore is the movie itself. No one but the studio owns that movie. There may be 50 billion copies of a DVD out there for any given movie but only one entity, the studio, owns it. You only own the license to watch that movie and that license strictly prohibits duplication or distribution without permission. The act of downloading a movie is duplication. Since that license is protected under law, watching a movie any other way is illegal and ignores the owner's wishes.
The DMCA states you are 100% within your rights to backup any media you own as long as you don't circumvent encryption. I believe it also states you are not allowed to use that backup unless the original media becomes corrupted or broken. So space-shifting is not within your legal rights. The reason CDs are not illegal to rip is because they don't use encryption. Interestingly, making a digital copy of an old VHS tape is illegal since there is a copy-protection system in place.
For the record, how someone chooses to live their life and accept or not accept how their actions affect others is not for me to judge. You chose one path and I chose another. Personally, I think the DMCA law is stupid... but it is the law. I've written the politicians who will listen in an attempt to make changes to that law. Meanwhile, I have happily up-converted by old DVDs to HD through Vudu for what I find to be a reasonable fee. Thanks to Movies Anywhere, I have them in multiple lockers, including iTunes, for viewing in various places. For me, not having 4k on my laptop right now just isn't worth the moral quandary.
You are the one rationalising your behaviour here. I’m stating facts. Did you pay to consume the entertainment many other people worked hard to make? Nope. You actively sought it out and downloaded it. That is stealing.
Your analogy sucks. It implies magic or a Star Trek replicator not current technology. Piracy is more Like you take the car out for a spin, but don’t keep it...ya still stole it
Actually torrents are more like you leave it on the street with the keys for the next person to have a spin. Which in some ways is worse.
Look at this way. If you had an original idea - film / app whatever - that could make you money to be comfortable for a few years or more even.. spend a year or 2 making it but then someone comes and copies that without your permission and makes it freely available, are you really going to say that’s ok?
You don't own the movie - just the license to view it. The DMCA is pretty clear on this and those are the owner's rights I was referring to. I think we should be able to rip legally purchased DVDs and BluRays too but that's not what the law is.
Yeah because the only way to stream Aqua man 4K is by buying an Apple TV and then buying the movie in iTunes. No thank you, and thank you pirates since it’s already on torrent sites and will be putting it on my Plex servers.
Do you actually care about reducing piracy, or do you just care about the morality of it? Because you didn't answer my question: Why does it matter to you that we consider it "theft"? I've given you real-world examples of how viewing it as "theft" is actually antithetical to reducing piracy. So why fight this fight? What the point of calling it "theft"?
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Regarding the license aspect of it, that's not really a "legal" or "illegal" issue. A license is just a contract, and it is legal to breach contracts. There are obviously repercussions, in contract law, but it's not illegal.
Regarding the DMCA, thankfully it has almost no teeth. It's not really a criminal statute, so the government isn't really ever going to enforce it. The IP owners can obviously go after pirates for both breaching the license and violating the DMCA statutes, but we all saw how well that worked out for them in the past. So... it's sort meh. The only reason I am currently against amending the DMCA is because seeing the current congress, movie studio lobbyists would probably end up making it worse for consumers, not better. I'll take a crappy statute with no teeth over any possible alternative right now.
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Stealing is like sneaking into an indoor theater with 100 seats and taking a seat without paying. You reduced the number of paid seats from 100 to 99, and you deprived the 100th willing customer of a seat. That is theft. You also gain enjoyment without paying.
Piracy is like sneaking into an outdoor open-air unlimited space general admission concert without paying. You didn't reduce the number of paid tickets, and you didn't deprive any willing customer. You did gain enjoyment without paying, but because the previous stuff didn't happen it's not theft.
The keys are not needed anymore. There is a different method that exists now that no longer requires them.
No, piracy was used way before Napster for software, movie and music copying.
The term Piracy was used in the 80s for unauthorized copying of all these things.
The term Piracy was used in the 80s for unauthorized copying of all these things.
The DRM has some very crappy side effects. One is not being able to compress the movie if you don't want a ginormous file taking up space on your NAS. Another is only being able to use ITunes to watch said movie.
I have purchased a lot of movies through iTunes, but I remove the DRM so I can watch it without the limitations. Often times I end up compressing after DRM removal to save space on my NAS too.
So you see, not everyone wants DRM removed for illegal reasons.
Yes, I would like for piracy to stop. If you are not capable of accepting it as theft but acknowledge that it's immoral and still don't care then there is nothing that could change your view. Arguing ethics with someone who is unethical has clearly been a waste of time.
I was gonna say "what about iTunes" but youcan't stream or download via iTunes and Home share it.
Only some iPad devices, but they don't have Home sharing, so that only leaves Apple TV 4k issue.
Well, for as long content is not available in a givin' country, it will continue. You can thank right holders for that one.
They dig a hole with a shovel, and scream they cannot get out.
Only some iPad devices, but they don't have Home sharing, so that only leaves Apple TV 4k issue.
Well, for as long content is not available in a givin' country, it will continue. You can thank right holders for that one.
They dig a hole with a shovel, and scream they cannot get out.
And how does analogizing it to theft help get there? It doesn't!
Maybe it's naive of me, but I believe changing the broader public conversation does matter. You might not believe it, but as I said before, I want it to be that pirating isn't the best practical way to see some movies. How do we get there?
The people who founded Spotify said: "What if instead of looking at music pirates as thieves, we look at them as potential customers? And what if we look at piracy as a whole as a competing service, how do we build a legal service that is better than piracy? If we build something that is easier than piracy, more convenient than piracy, and fairly priced, we then can convert some of those people into paying customers." And it worked! And the first step was changing their view.
Pointing fingers and screaming "thief" isn't going to change anything. The RIAA and MPAA tried it, and failed miserably. The "theft" analogy will always fail. It cannot work!
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Even further back than that. Unauthorized radio was referred to as pirate radio in the 60s famously, but the term actually goes all the way back to 1913 when the first radio broadcast regulations were enacted in England.
Wrong. Congress updated Fair Use to say that ripping DVDs / Blu-Rays qualifies as Fair Use and it overrules the DMCA violation. It is okay to rip your discs for archive/other media purposes. I would be really surprised if anyone of us doing this for our own uses and not distributing it would be taken to court.
There are some things I absolutely cannot get on Digital (more specifically iOS). Mostly some Anime is not on the iTunes Store or Amazon or Hulu or Netflix. Some are on Microsoft Movies & TV but there is no iOS app for that and I cannot download it for offline viewing. So I end up ripping these as a result. I do buy it on both Blu Ray AND Microsoft Movies & TV.
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What do you suppose the criminals behind the popular torrent sites are pulling in? Probably a bit more than a software engineer salary. Likely a couple orders of magnitude more.
oh woe is me; I never taped an album/burned a CD back in the day.
Remember kids "home taping is killing music"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Taping_Is_Killing_Music
the funny thing is that some time ago i was giving an example and i mentioned , the word torrent, i didn’t post any link or mention any torrent site, i didn’t post any torrent file, i simply mention the word torrent and i MT treathend me with baning and suspending my account, but they can mention the word and talk about torrent sites, the same thing with the word cracked, this is just like the police, they can pass a red light even if they don’t have any emergency because they are the authority that violate their own laws but you and me we can't even pass a yellow light without getting a ticket because they will say that the light was red just to give you a ticket, all hail the dash cam, how unfair that was back then, but they can talk about it just fine.
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As much as I am against piracy, I do support their efforts to crack DRM. DRM is essentially an everyone is guilty system. I buy a lot of movies and shows I like one Bluray, but I have a Mac, so what do I do? I have to rely on these "pirates" to crack the DRM protection so I can playback discs on my Mac or transcode them to a format I can watch on my phone. Why should I have to pay twice for the same content?
And these people probably have jobs. If anything most people who do this sort of thing have lives, families, jobs, and only do the "hacking" during their free time. Sure we would like everyone to volunteer saving puppies, but some people choose to volunteer their time to work like this.
Don't discount that DRM is essentially encryption, and if nobody tried to hack the system how will we ever improve protections for our personal information that is way more important.
We are spending our time browsing a news site and writing comments when the pirates are find security vulnerabilities.
Pirating movies you like just ensures that those filmmakers may take longer / not get to make their next movie at all.
I made an award-winning horror movie 7 years ago. It was pirated 100,000 times the day it was released. I was broke.
I am just NOW finishing my second horror movie since 2012.
I wrote an article (below) about the financial struggles a few years ago alongside an experiment we tried to fight piracy through Creative Commons (the experiment was a success but just barely and couldn’t scale up for a movie with an actual budget that could pay a crew). Edit: “fight” piracy is a strong wording... I meant we were trying to provide a movie in a new way that didn’t need to be pirated because it would be free to all after a presale period.
https://filmmakermagazine.com/97398-cracking-eggs-looking-for-financial-stability-outside-of-independent-film
On the flipside, my newest movie is premiering at Tribeca Film Festival next month, so I’m back in that honeymoon phase where I’m broke but at least excited about the future potential.
I made an award-winning horror movie 7 years ago. It was pirated 100,000 times the day it was released. I was broke.
I am just NOW finishing my second horror movie since 2012.
I wrote an article (below) about the financial struggles a few years ago alongside an experiment we tried to fight piracy through Creative Commons (the experiment was a success but just barely and couldn’t scale up for a movie with an actual budget that could pay a crew). Edit: “fight” piracy is a strong wording... I meant we were trying to provide a movie in a new way that didn’t need to be pirated because it would be free to all after a presale period.
https://filmmakermagazine.com/97398-cracking-eggs-looking-for-financial-stability-outside-of-independent-film
On the flipside, my newest movie is premiering at Tribeca Film Festival next month, so I’m back in that honeymoon phase where I’m broke but at least excited about the future potential.