I personally don’t want iPadOS to become macOS. People can buy a MacBook for that. The only thing I want is for Greg Federighi to bring Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, the Apple Health app and the calculator app to the iPad.
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Leaked Benchmarks Confirm M2 Chip is Up to 20% Faster Than M1
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In the contrary, Intel did ask Microsoft for such favor. They explicitly asked for coding to their new CPUs so that Intel CPUs could come out on top. Granted AMD still got the upper hand. Windows was only geared towards all-performance cores. Not what we got with 12k Intel CPUs.
Apple did the same thing back in the A4/A5. iOS has been multi core (E and P) focused since then.
with peak power draw of 241w just the CPU.
my whole MSMax1 consumes 86W at 95% of CPU and GPU load (24/7 rendering Compressor+GPU plugins to HEVC, whole system busy)
20% huh? I'll wait to see what M2 Pro and M2 Pro Max have up their sleeves.
yep, that would be amazing.
If europeans implement those chips on their machines, Putin and russian gas companies which produces half of the electricity would be very very happy.
But who cares about electricity bills when your priorities are spending a few thousand in a video-game setting.
Of course no everyone uses PC for gaming. Same would go for pro users, a few more bucks a year? OK, Extra heat in your room? OK, extra fan noise? why not? larger machines? Put them some neon lights!
Meteor lake will break 2700 and then 3000 year after. Don't worry we don't mind when our video cards pull 700 watts on top also.
Raptor lake is still on 10nm just give them so e time to get to 5nm and the wattage advantage apple has is gone.
if time is only what they needed! then granted!
in the meanwhile, servers world wide would be ARM. and Intel's 80% of business would be gone.
If the 12900K RTX 3090 binomium goes for 241+350 Vs the M1Ultra 241W, I think 5 years would be enough time to reach ARM (not just Apple)
Mass PC industry would move to ARM after Apple and after servers.
Only think what would means a version of the Ultra at 600W if they will... (Mac Pro??)
PC is just waiting for Microsoft and Qualcomm, and X86 industry is burning chips as latest resource before saying goodbye in 5-10 years
common users are migrating to macbooks because the battery life, so there is a sprint race in PC to offer ARM portables, gamers and pro users would be the latest to migrate to ARM, but also they would be the latest in the world.
Companies would save a lot on power, air-con, space, servers, ETC.
Power in large quantity, matters.
2036: "So those are our new Apple RISC and macOS it's been already working on RISC for 36 years now, so Rosetta 3 ETC..." hahaah
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Been hearing this for 20 years now. Name 1 arm design or cpu that can beat a top end x86 cpu. I'll wait. Server's want performance with efficiency in mind but performance is the number 1 driving force behind them. This very forum is running on a pc.
Intel has finally admitted how bad they s rewed up with 10nm and has finally gotten past it. There next gen architecture is dumping avx 512 and soon they will dump 32 bit just like apple did and use that room for performance or power efficiency.
Don't forget that apple is literally 5nm smaller than the latest Intel chip and it still can't beat it at single core performance. Just imagine for 1 second what the soon to be released raptor lake(still on 10nm) would run like on apple 4nm? The next 5 years for Intel is going to put them right where apple is on efficiency but they will also dominate performance
well, all that is somehow true but with a lot of "buts".
ARM it's been here for decades, as it's been RISC, but new advances and money are just coming to the game (as electric cars were..)
size matters and this is what I always were afraid with Ax series for iOS, big leaps in early designs due to miniaturization but there is a limit... (a well known chip designer in this forum told me that beyond 1nm, there will find newer ways, that's what I want to believe... but atoms cant be squeezed so there will be a limit...)
Intel has seen the storm clouds ahead and started to work. This is great news for everyone. New chips really rocks, Vs pre-Apple Silicon era where they cleary su**ed.
Single core performance was a real shame, now it rocks. Still, 5nm production seems to offer better power consumption, but clearly not enough to fulfill laptops and tablets (remember tablets are substituting PC in many many homes) battery life demand as ARM is doing.
Cant tell the sales ratio PC - LAPTOP+TABLET but it should be around 1-4 or 1-3
Windows is not on tablets, and MS for sure is pushing to be in future laptops (they are already leading this with the Surface and the upcoming Volterra).
This forum is in a PC server because ARM servers are the new kids on the block. You can't find them easily (as you couldn't find any Mac two years ago) and moreover, if they do is with old ARM chips, there exists only with UNIX (something very common even for X86 servers) but again, there aren't build yet servers with modern ARM processors. They are being builded at a fast rate, though. And they will build them even faster. Companies saving millions in power , space and location.
In the meanwhile, Apple is also reducing size in it's designs and even the Mac Pro is yet to be released (will it be??...)
Mac Studio Ultra is a machine that will be remember for decades, PC manufacturers know this, and they want toys like this for their clients.
Neon light spaceships with traktor's wheels size fans have room for 4-5 Ultra... Apple overprice their product because many reasons, but just think what could do PC industry with ARM coponents
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This is like saying "name one sports car that takes the same payload as an F-150".
Name one x86 CPU that beats Apple's CPUs at similar thermals. You can't, because AMD is currently years behind, and Alder Lake can only beat M1 when drawing far more power.
Beat an x86? Depends on the type of workload you feed the CPU. By running on a PC you mean....? Apple isn't interested in single core performance, it's not their target.
You completely missed the point. Risc has been blabed about for 20 years taking over x86 but to this very day its never been higher performing period. It's the same old thing and even at 5nm it's still not more powerful.
Your truck payload is a good comparison. We will have electric trucks in no time but the bulldozers will still run on diesel. Because there will never be an electric motor or battery powerful enough to drive a bulldozer or tank.
People buy v12s for there horsepower not how many miles per gallon they have.
Nope.
It's pretty clear that if you ran an M1 at 5.whatever GHz, it would handily beat Alder Lake. It just happens to be not something Apple (or most consumers) is interested in.
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No it wouldn't and if you knew how an architecture is designed to run you would understand. You can't have a fat core with high instructions per clock ramp up mhz because it will pull massive power and won't be stable.
Google cpu pipeline stages and see how that works with clock speed. Net Burts was low IPC but made to hit 10ghz to make up for it etc
Apple already has the perfect reason - it would suck.
Yeah, Mac OS and iOS running on Mx processors would suck! And iOS apps on a touchscreen, total suck. And OSX on a large format tablet, totally suckitude, that’s why we pay $5000 to run macs on Wacoms with big fat touchscreens. Anyway you’d need a stylus for some stuff, and that would totally suck! That’s why Apple would never make a stylus. Or a tablet, with mouse and keyboard support like it’s a notebook, or extending its display to an external monitor too, how sucky can you get? Whatever it is, if it’s not what Apple is presently telling us they’re doing right now, I mean Phil said it himself, it would obviously never work.
If you think we will be still using large AAA batteries in the future for cars, then advise Tesla stop working on it.
The only thing here that is limited are combustion motors. e-Tech is another thing yet to be explored. Of course it's been here for decades, but so it is the human body and we still know nothing!
Electric motors are far more powerful than diesel ones, just look at F-e, they have limit the power just because the cars were literally lifting off the ground. Batteries has been always the problem, that's why they weren't e-cars until now, and why trucks aren't worth enough. But who knows what would be developed in the future as alternative power source. For sure, gas has a physical and heat limitation already explored and reached. The improve is as little as HDD improves over time... But look at "digital HDD's" (SSD)... who knows what is coming next.
But that's enough about cars, metaphors never work. CPU aren't cars, insects or planets.
RISC, ARM, X86, and SSD are all inventions of the same era, tech and services evolves and brings up new opportunities.
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From its beginnings in the early 2010’s with the Mont-Blanc project in which the Barcelona Supercomputing Center first studied the potential of Arm-based clusters for HPC to today’s announcement at ISC2020 that the Fugaku supercomputer has achieved the top spot of the Top500 List, we’ve come a...
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Let's assume it. ARM is here for good.
X86 is disappearing from servers.
X86 will disappear from laptops/desktops for most users in a few years.
Apple Pro users will switch in some months, PC gamers and pro users would change as soon as Qualcomm, Microsoft and developers put the tools.
PC world will do the switch slowly, but it will.
Apple would complete the switch very soon, and their products will be far better for some time in every aspect (and not so expensive as before look how the MacStudio outperforms in real world test a "slightly better on paper PC " ).
X86 is disappearing from servers.
X86 will disappear from laptops/desktops for most users in a few years.
Apple Pro users will switch in some months, PC gamers and pro users would change as soon as Qualcomm, Microsoft and developers put the tools.
PC world will do the switch slowly, but it will.
Apple would complete the switch very soon, and their products will be far better for some time in every aspect (and not so expensive as before look how the MacStudio outperforms in real world test a "slightly better on paper PC " ).
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Speaking as a service architect, I love deploying my apps to ARM. They tend to be more stable in those environments.