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Do you understand that every single laptop and mobile phone had user replicable batteries before Apple decided to hotglue everything together? It’s actually much safer if user can remove the battery from rest of the unit than having everything glued together.
Consumers should then buy those products that suit them better, rather than forcing change.
 
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This is not forcing anything on consumers, this is enabling consumers to do something they would like to do...

It’s forcing them to only have the option of buying phones with replaceable batteries.
You just described any dell laptop. Instead of trying to force change on a product maybe look into one that better fits your consumer needs.

The irony is that the guy doesn’t even want a laptop with user replaceable parts. If he wanted one, he’d have one. He just wants other people to be forced to buy them.
 
Laughable.

This isn’t a single shred of evidence this would do anything whatsoever to address “e-waste”. In fact, it could increase it fairly significantly.

If you want to address deeded e-waste, you’ll need mandatory minimum usage times for consumers. Every Euro must use his phone for a minimum of 5 years before upgrading.

Spot on, people will have all the incentive in the world to swap out batteries and throw them out more often rather than stretching their life out.

The only option is rationing of batteries and phones per individual in their lifetime.
 
How is this a bad thing?

Because "design tradeoffs" is a real thing. You have to give up something to get something. So, which is it? Less waterproof? Significantly thicker? Why don't you list the things about the current phone that you would be willing to be worse, in exchange for a user replaceable battery, and send that to Apple? That would be very constructive input.
 
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You are making claims that don’t have a shred of evidence to back them up. There is absolutely zero evidence that mandatory user replaceable batteries would prolong the average upgrade cycle. None.

And if consumers want phones with user replaceable batteries... they can... buy them. Like today. Those phones exist. Nothing is stopping you from buying one.

The average upgrade cycle probably no. But it would make second-hand phones a LOT more interesting to buyers, knowing they can replace the battery. Even if the first owner wouldn't continue using it, someone else would be able to use it for much longer.
 
You know that was a special deal because Apple was caught out on slowing down iPhones with degraded batteries.

Normal prices - $49 for iphone8 and earlier. $69 for iphone X and later.

Still not breaking the bank.

 
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You replaced it under Apple grace period for 30 dollar replacement, I just had my brother x replaced and Apple charged 70 dollars before tax
Nope. I replaced the battery a little under a year after that grace period ended...

I see no reason to require this other than to just be a pain in some company's ass. There are bigger fish to fry than this.
 
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If forced to comply with this, Apple will just ship iPhones in the EU with a battery case pre-installed on the phone in the box. There'll be an internal battery and the external battery with the case. Want a fresh battery? Just swap out the case. Done, Apple is in compliance.

If challenged on this workaround, Apple can simply shut off the internal battery in iOS for iPhones sold in the EU, depending on the external battery as the primary battery, which is user replaceable, making it compliant with the law. Challenged still? Don't ship iPhones in the EU with an internal battery, just the external battery case.

Of course, this would make iPhones more expensive in the EU and no doubt, an import market would emerge, hurting the EU economy.

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The average upgrade cycle probably no. But it would make second-hand phones a LOT more interesting to buyers, knowing they can replace the battery. Even if the first owner wouldn't continue using it, someone else would be able to use it for much longer.
Official battery replacement is pretty inexpensive relatively speaking. $49 for apple to do it on an iphone7 vs. paying $35 for a battery and DIY kit from ifixit? That's an easy choice.
 
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It’s my belief that battery techology will finally receive a breakthrough within the next few years. I can see phone batteries last 2x or even 3x as long, requiring little time to recharge, and improving the life cycle limit.

When, not if this occurs, will the EU roll back this draconian puke of a law? Will Apple still be forced to limit its designs even though battery replacements will become unnecessary?
 
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Seems a majority users care about water resistance and the likes... Am I the only one who does not take the phone for a swim/ shower/ dunk in the toilet bowl? How often would an accident happen that requires 100% waterproofing… What was happening when (I)phones were not waterproof?

a user replaceable battery helps when one is not near a power source.

These days, Does apple advertise their phones as the "thinnest"? No.....

And all fanboyz saying phones get uglier with removable case, any idea where that thought is coming from?

So, lets try to be reasonable and see how much greed can cause someone to block out legislations to keep the coffers full.
 
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You are mistaken. All of those manufacturers have plenty of models with user replaceable parts.

Go buy one of those. Problem solved.

The idea that you have a “right” to tell tech companies how to design their products and consumers what they are allowed to buy is an absolute joke.

That authoritarian nonsense belongs in North Korea or Saudi Arabia.
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Go design one then.
That bull puckey. That's like saying the government shouldn't enforce safety features on cars like airbags or anti lock brakes. If you want a more safe car with airbags, go buy a different model goes your "logic." If the government guarantees a minimum level of safety why shouldn't they also guarantee a minimum level of user-upgradability?
 
EU is definitely on track to shut themselves out of the new generation phones.

They're not an insignificant market, but they're far more Chihuahua than Great Dane...
 
What compromises do you mean? We're not talking about hot-swapping batteries, and Samsung has proven multiple times over that you can create a waterproof user-replaceable battery (and headphone jack...) without compromising the form or function of the device.

There are always compromises, because that's how design works. ALWAYS, I'm saying as an ex-engineer and product manager. It's not his (or my) responsibility to figure those out for the iPhone. That's what the engineers do. Are you familiar with the engineering on the iPhone?

And according to your post, you either do, or SHOULD, own a Samsung phone, since it appears to meet your needs better than an iPhone. Is that the case? If not, why not, since they do everything you need, PLUS have replaceable batteries?
 
That bull puckey. That's like saying the government shouldn't enforce safety features on cars like airbags or anti lock brakes. If you want a more safe car, go buy a different model goes your "logic." If the government regulates safety why shouldn't they also regulate user-upgradability?



Because a good number of users would be unable to evaluate safety on their own, and make fully informed judgements. And highway accidents and deaths have a significant social cost, beyond the driver of that one specific car. It's the same basic reason why you are required to get a license to drive. Potential damage: death to the driver and others.

In contrast, I think most people could grasp a notice that says: this phone's battery is NOT user replaceable. And if they can't, that's a problem just for them. Potential damage: afternoon wasted at Apple Store. You don't need a license to use a phone.
 
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