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I think this is a little over the top. The non-proprietary USB-C is a good thing, but enabling consumers to mess with highly volatile batteries is another thing. An affordable battery replacement program is a better idea.

Do you understand that every single laptop and mobile phone had user replicable batteries before Apple decided to hotglue everything together? It’s actually much safer if user can remove the battery from rest of the unit than having everything glued together.
 
Funny... how everyone looses their minds over a draft... It's not even public nor is remotely decided that it will come into force.
So here's the fact: Some people at the EU think it might be wise to make batteries easier replaceable. That's all.

This also implies the battery has to be on the wrong side of the Qi coils. Good luck with all that, Europe.
No, it doesn't. There's a lot of different ways to design a phone. Just because some people lack the imagination, doesn't mean it's not possible. It just means that they wouldn't make good designers or engineers.

Side note: This design would be very easy to waterproof.
 
Seriously? Why can't we let people decide what they want for themselves? We do that when we buy products. There were/are phones that have removable batteries. No one buys them because they don't like the trade off. Effectively, the government is saying that the opinion of a few people (who want a removable battery) is more important than people's freedom to make choices with their own money.

The government does this because it's their job to intervene when the rights of some cause problems for everyone. E-waste and planned obsolescence are big societal issues and I'm glad the EU is taking them seriously because the US is just laughing at any environmental issue. Also we tend to not believe in the full unconstrained power of 'the market' here so most people here are just fine with such measures.
 
Oh this is wonderful news. I do hope it comes to fruition. No more paying Apple an extortionate amount of money for battery replacements.
Plus this is surely going to fit right in with their environmentally friendly image as users will be able to easily keeps phones going for longer.
A plus in my mind even if it means a little bit more thickness to a phone.
Extortionate amount of money for battery replacements? My last replacement was $29. Oooh...ouch. Real bank-breaker, there.
 
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Funny... how everyone looses their minds over a draft... It's not even public nor is remotely decided that it will come into force.
So here's the fact: Some people at the EU think it might be wise to make batteries easier replaceable. That's all.

Great. Those “some people” are free to buy whatever phones they’d like, including phones with replaceable batteries. Better yet, those “some people” are free to start companies that manufacture and sell such phones. If there is actually consumer demand, they’ll make a mint.
 
It's bad because it is impossible to make the phone water proof if the user can change the battery (or at least for it to be water proof afterwards). It reduces battery life, because a user replaceable battery must be in a rigid enclosure to be handled by an end user, because there must be a mechanism to safely remove the battery and safely insert a new one that is usable by an end user without special tools, and because it is much harder to fill all available space in a phone with battery because user-replaceable batteries can't come in arbitrary spaces.
It is not impossible to make the phone water resistant with a user removable battery. Samsung did it with the Galaxy S5. That phone was IP67 rated in 2014... with a removable battery, plastic body, headphone jack, and the same thickness as today's iPhone Pro Max. The phone did not lose it's water resistance because the user replaced the battery. The battery is smaller, but so is the phone. There's no need for a mechanism to remove the battery. A fingernail in the indent is all that's needed. Water resistance is not a valid argument against user replaceable batteries.

Wireless charging could be an impediment since it would have to be placed in the rear cover if the battery was accessed by removing the cover. If the battery could be slotted somehow that could possible overcome the wireless charging issue. Idk. There could be many other roadblocks preventing a modern smartphone from having removable batteries. Water resistance ain't one of 'em.
 
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Fantastic. This would be a great help with making sure that phones are able to be used longer, and in turn reducing e-waste.

The problem with this approach is that consumers are more likely to throw an expired battery in the garbage/trash/bin than a retired mobile phone. I think this will only lead to more e-waste, not less.
 
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We cannot just point at Apple on the lack of removable batteries. Good luck finding a premium smartphone from any manufacturer that has one. Removable battery phones generally fall into the 200-300 dollar range budget phones.

If the EU implements this, I would think it would be easier and cheaper for premium phone manufacturers to just stop selling their flagship phones in the EU. The black market would thrive, so no real sales would be lost.

LOL 😂, do you have any idea how big market Europe is? If Europe decides every smartphone must come with pliers and parachute attached then every manufacturer will introduce one within a year.
 
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I don’t like your clothes. Or how you decorate your house. Or what car you drive, or what gas you put in it, or how you control the money you earn from work. I work for a giant beauracracy and just signed an order that commands you immediately to buy new outfits, go to Ikea, trade in your car for a rickshaw and feel good about the environmental impact all of this will have. Don’t worry—doing it to everyone else, too, until you do what I believe “is right.”

That’s what’s wrong, buddy.
So far out of context it’s not even Apple to orange.
 
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So.... a Lenovo, or Dell, or Acer, or countless other options.

Go buy one of those.
Those manufacturers are doing the same, following apple's lead to have the thinnest laptop/phone on the market. All at the expense of user-upgradeability. It's time for the government to assert the right of a citizen to repair/upgrade his/her product. I'm not one for over-regulation; but zero regulation is not good either. There is a balance in the middle.
 
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The government does this because it's their job to intervene when the rights of some cause problems for everyone. E-waste and planned obsolescence are big societal issues and I'm glad the EU is taking them seriously because the US is just laughing at any environmental issue. Also we tend to not believe in the full unconstrained power of 'the market' here so most people here are just fine with such measures.

Laughable.

This isn’t a single shred of evidence this would do anything whatsoever to address “e-waste”. In fact, it could increase it fairly significantly.

If you want to address deeded e-waste, you’ll need mandatory minimum usage times for consumers. Every Euro must use his phone for a minimum of 5 years before upgrading.
 
And this is a perfect example of why the UK decided to leave the undemocratic EU.

There's nothing undemocratic about this kind of decision, it is going to be taken by a majority in parliament.

This is the kind of regulations that a single European country could never enforce, but the EU can. The UK will soon find out that they are no longer the world-dominating nation they once were, but that they are a small country that has not impact anymore on anything.
 
I will take and thin, sealed phone whose battery can be replaced by any phone store, over a thicker, heavier unit non-waterproof phone with a user-replaceable battery.
 
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If you take the word sleek out of the sentence, absolutely.
LOL.

If you lack good designers... of course it will look like crap. Great designers will design a great looking product.

You can be sure that if the EU pass such a law, Apple abide by, and adapt. It will be a non-issue. Basically, another First World Problem.
 
Those manufacturers are doing the same, following apple's lead to have the thinnest laptop/phone on the market. All at the expense of user-upgradeability. It's time for the government to assert the right of a citizen to repair/upgrade his/her product. I'm not one for over-regulation; but zero regulation is not good either. There is a balance in the middle.

You are mistaken. All of those manufacturers have plenty of models with user replaceable parts.

Go buy one of those. Problem solved.

The idea that you have a “right” to tell tech companies how to design their products and consumers what they are allowed to buy is an absolute joke.

That authoritarian nonsense belongs in North Korea or Saudi Arabia.
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LOL.

If you lack good designers... of course it will look like crap. Great designers will design a great looking product.

You can be sure that if the EU pass such a law, Apple abide by, and adapt. It will be a non-issue. Basically, another First World Problem.

Go design one then.
 
Laughable.

This isn’t a single shred of evidence this would do anything whatsoever to address “e-waste”. In fact, it could increase it fairly significantly.

If you want to address deeded e-waste, you’ll need mandatory minimum usage times for consumers. Every Euro must use his phone for a minimum of 5 years before upgrading.

If it is not fully addressing e-waste (it surely will to some extent), it will at least address the wish of many consumers to have user-replaceable batteries in their smartphone and to have their batteries replaced at a much lower cost.
 
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What next? Forcing consumers to have a person pump gas for them, so they aren't messing with even more volatile gasoline? Please, there's no need to further emulate New Jersey. My 1½ year old is able to "mess with highly volatile batteries". Not that she should...

This is not forcing anything on consumers, this is enabling consumers to do something they would like to do...
 
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If it is not fully addressing e-waste (it surely will to some extent), it will at least address the wish of many consumers to have user-replaceable batteries in their smartphone and to have their batteries replaced at a much lower cost.

You are making claims that don’t have a shred of evidence to back them up. There is absolutely zero evidence that mandatory user replaceable batteries would prolong the average upgrade cycle. None.

And if consumers want phones with user replaceable batteries... they can... buy them. Like today. Those phones exist. Nothing is stopping you from buying one.
 
They need to do the same for the Macbook. Also, while they're operating on the patient, throw in user-replaceable RAM and storage/SSDs too, close it up and be done with it.
You just described any dell laptop. Instead of trying to force change on a product maybe look into one that better fits your consumer needs.
 
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