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'Leaked' Images Allegedly Show iPhone 12 With Smaller Notch, Rear Camera Redesign, and Home Screen Widgets

Darth Tulhu said:
And yes, hacking audio is a concern (as is ANY hacking), but much, much less so than video, from my perspective at least.
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Isn't audio more valuable than video?

If I wanted to spy on Tim Cook... I'm more interested in what he is saying. I want the latest Apple secrets.

I already know what he looks like. I've seen him for years. I can find a picture of Tim Cook easily.

It's why the cops tap phone lines of criminals. They want to hear them making plans for the next heist. They already know what they look like.

If I was a valuable target... and you turned on my front-facing iPhone camera throughout the day... you'd either see blackness in my pocket or my ceiling as the phone is laying flat on the table. I rarely hold the phone directly in front of my face.

But you could hear all sorts of cool stuff throughout the day.

I dunno... it seems funny how some people freak out about webcams... with little pieces of tape covering them.

But they never think about audio... which I think can be much more valuable.
 
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Darth Tulhu said:
Why?

You pop it out when using it and pop it in when done. It should blend into the phone such as being almost imperceptible.

I personally wouldn't care if it wasn't automatic, I'd actually prefer it manual.

But alas, this is moot. Apple would NEVER do it.

We'll have to wait for cameras that disappear into the bezel, like this:

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Which could come next years iPhone
 
The Game 161 said:
There has been, but at this point it’s too early to suggest about the iPhone in 2021. A lot can change. Apple were said to be be having a notchless display in one model but remains to be seen if it’s going to happen
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The iPhone 12 is using the bezel for putting the newly developed nano camera sensor by Apple.
 
Eorlas said:
can we please piss off with this notch foolishness so we can go back to having devices with normal aspect ratios and content that is not cut off.
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100% agreed. There is a better way to implement the biometric camera sensor without any sort of trade-off in screen design.
 
I7guy said:
And what is that way, that Apple would actually agree to do?
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Indeed, Apple is the problem. There are ways to have regular screen format (by having normal top bezel area as iPhone 8) but for whatever reason Apple might want to keep "iconic" notch (just like they kept huge "iconic" button for too long).
 
falainber said:
Indeed, Apple is the problem. There are ways to have regular screen format (by having normal top bezel area as iPhone 8) but for whatever reason Apple might want to keep "iconic" notch (just like they kept huge "iconic" button for too long).
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Based on pre-Covid sales, it doesn't seem like there is any Apple problem at all. Just a small minority of vocal posters who want a different design...and don't get me wrong, that's okay. Everybody is entitled to what they want.

But Apple is not the problem...it's the vocal minority who want things their way.
 
I7guy said:
Based on pre-Covid sales, it doesn't seem like there is any Apple problem at all. Just a small minority of vocal posters who want a different design...and don't get me wrong, that's okay. Everybody is entitled to what they want.

But Apple is not the problem...it's the vocal minority who want things their way.
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Sales are not a good indication of whether people want the notch or not. People choose the phone based on a lot of factors. Notch is not really an important among those. In theory it's possible that everyone who bought an iPhone with notch hate the notch. It's possible that without a notch iPhone sales would be twice as high as they are now. Most importantly, here (on MR) we discuss what people want not what Apple wants.
 
falainber said:
Sales are not a good indication of whether people want the notch or not. People choose the phone based on a lot of factors. Notch is not really an important among those. In theory it's possible that everyone who bought an iPhone with notch hate the notch. It's possible that without a notch iPhone sales would be twice as high as they are now. Most importantly, here (on MR) we discuss what people want not what Apple wants.
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There is no other indication other than sales. Certainly can't judge by a MacRumors poll. It's also possible that everyone who bought an iphone with the notch, loves the notch. It's also possible, Apple did it's marketing research and determined that between bezels and notch, the best of the worse design decision was the notch. It's also possible that if Apple decided to include bezels or pop-up camera instead of a notch, iphone sales would be halved from what they are now.

More important, here on (MR) there are continual discussions from the vocal minority, which is what the vocal minority want, not representative of the majority may want, or Apple may provide.
 
I7guy said:
The issue is space for the Face ID electronics. Apple won’t do a pop up camera and it does not seem esthetically pretty to have thin bezels vs a notch, which IMO would look better.
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They went from HUGE bezels to a notch. They really could go for something in-between. Using the Note 8 and it looks great still.
 
ok, smaller notch, let it disappear in the next one. Looks like its slowly fading away (...hopefully)
 
Michael Scrip said:
Isn't audio more valuable than video?

If I wanted to spy on Tim Cook... I'm more interested in what he is saying. I want the latest Apple secrets.

I already know what he looks like. I've seen him for years. I can find a picture of Tim Cook easily.

It's why the cops tap phone lines of criminals. They want to hear them making plans for the next heist. They already know what they look like.

If I was a valuable target... and you turned on my front-facing iPhone camera throughout the day... you'd either see blackness in my pocket or my ceiling as the phone is laying flat on the table. I rarely hold the phone directly in front of my face.

But you could hear all sorts of cool stuff throughout the day.

I dunno... it seems funny how some people freak out about webcams... with little pieces of tape covering them.

But they never think about audio... which I think can be much more valuable.
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I'm not the CEO of a company, and I'm not neck deep in sensitive conversations, so no, audio is secondary to video in my book.

I'd rather have someone be able to listen to my conversations than to get the layout of my home, see and record my wife or daughter naked, or know where I keep the guns I would use to make them regret coming into my sanctuary without my permission.

I'd love for all comms to be secured, but video is my no.1 if I had to pick.
 
Austin Chow said:
BHAHAHA as an Apple fan boy, I follow what Tim and Co says on stage. "The iPhone 8 is a huge leap forward, improving on everything that made iPhone 7 so popular". iPhone 8 is such a leap that it deserves a new number
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Ah you take marketing at face value. Good for you! LOL

Austin Chow said:
The notch is legit sooooo symbolic. So symbolic of the latest iphone that Samsung had to make an ad with a guy with a notch haircut all the way back to iPhone X launch to try to mock Apple. See how symbolic it is?
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LOL. I am one of many normal people who "asked for FaceID and the notch". HAHAHA. I love the FaceID and notch, works great for everyone, and does away with the ancient, archaic home button and TouchID.

Stupid people always complaining about the revolutionary leap forward......
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So you love the notch because of a Samsung ad. Got it.

Austin Chow said:
the status bar is perfectly fine and useable now on the latest iPhones. You just have a problem when you cant even be bothered to swipe down from the "ears" to view richer details. Lazy ass.
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If you have to swipe for the information you expect in the bar it’s obviously not working as you want it.

Name calling unnecessary.

Austin Chow said:
The notch looks great and I love it too. Shows people that my phone is the latest iPhone, not the previous generation with the ancient home button.
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Because other people are suddenly interested in what phone you have. LOL.
Kids these days...

Austin Chow said:
the iPhone is already perfect now, otherwise apple wouldnt release it. In fact, I would say its not thin enough. iPhone has always been about thinness and how cool it looks.
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The next one will be twice as perfect then, once you own one.

Austin Chow said:
The camera bump is a non-issue - in fact I think it looks gorgeous cuz it symbolises much better camera and photo quality.
Apple should continue to shave off even the tiniest millimeter they can. The thinner the better.
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All camera bumps look disgustingly ugly and remind us of the limits of physics.
 
That never happens.... Neither in the phone industry nor in any other, like cars etc.
 
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