To reach the efficiency of M-series chips Intel would need to improve their performance by a factor of two without increasing power consumption. Their efficiency cores currently offer around 50-60% of M1's performance at the same power consumptions. I am very sceptical that they can pull it off within three years. Not with their current core tech at any rate. And it's not like Apple is going to stand still.
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Leaked Intel Roadmap Reveals More Efficient Chip Than M1 Pro and Max to Launch Within Two Years
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Intel will produce these on TSM 3nm process! So, their margin for these CPU's if they manage to deliver the power efficiency will be low.
The reason Intel denied Steve Jobs of making the CPU's for the first iPhones was exactly due to this, the margin was too low for them to do it. They have been frank of saying that it was a big mistake in hindsight, but if you are a manager remember this.
The reason Intel denied Steve Jobs of making the CPU's for the first iPhones was exactly due to this, the margin was too low for them to do it. They have been frank of saying that it was a big mistake in hindsight, but if you are a manager remember this.
Does anyone ever get real world battery life that Apple advertises?
A highly optomized system for testing. Of course you'll need 256GB of RAM due to how MacOS is still a memory hog.
A highly optomized system for testing. Of course you'll need 256GB of RAM due to how MacOS is still a memory hog.
Keep in mind this is three generations after Alder Lake, which hasn't fully rolled out yet (I don't believe there is any Alder Lake-H laptop shipping in volume yet, and Alder Lake-P and -U were only announced yesterday — you can get desktops with Alder Lake, but mostly not laptops yet).
In the meantime, there will be Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake. So early 2024 sounds quite realistic. I'm guessing you won't see an Arrow Lake laptop until early 2025.
At that point, we'll have the Apple A18.
In the meantime, there will be Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake. So early 2024 sounds quite realistic. I'm guessing you won't see an Arrow Lake laptop until early 2025.
At that point, we'll have the Apple A18.
I get the battery life, but I am not running Chrome and Spotify in the background and tend to disallow all these background processes just to know when an update is ready.
Oh dear! I hope they don't. It wouldn't be much fun for them.
I don't get how this is news?? This is simply natural progression - tech moves at a fast rate. We need to look at the here and now. What's on the market at this moment. I have no doubt intel will produce chipsets faster then the M1 Max, and much more efficient, but by then Apple will have advanced also. It's a constant race between tech giants, and that competition benefits consumers somewhat at the same time!
Notice Intel can only produce decent chips when they don't do the actual chip fabrication. I guess they've given up on their own 10nm and 7nm fabrication processes and have joined the crowd at TSMC. Even then, they still require enormous amounts of power to achieve Apple-like performance.
Yes, after tasting Apple Silicon, no need to go back to fans running an hot systems.
Good for the current Maco Pro of course for those who have it if Apple still offers intel CPU upgrades and they kind of was saying back in 2019 when people bought into Mac Pro and the redesign. Made a good decision to wait (have a Mac Pro 2013) and bought the MacBook Pro 2021. Fans never come on and runs circles around my Mac Pro 2013.
I do not care how fast these new Intel chips are. Apple Silicon even now has the power that I need, so I don't care anymore about Intel. Can't go back to frying eggs on my laptop or desktop. I used the Mac Pro 2013 as a heater during the cold winters.
Glad to hear it, since in my work environment only Windows exists...
Hopefully this will lead to less noisy laptops.
Hopefully this will lead to less noisy laptops.
"A leaked roadmap by Intel suggests that the company is 2 years behind their competitors"
Except Intel has been moving at a glacial pace for almost a decade. Their manufacturing was a generation ahead of everyone else, now they're behind. It would be very welcome news if they turned this around.
Of course, during that decade, their roadmaps were always promising. It just was delayed again and again.
I wonder if the M1 will be on the unsupported legacy product list when Intel catches it.
I use MSI laptop with AMD processor. It's not noisy at all, unless I play something.
Intel tried to prove that one of their latest CPU's outperformed Apples M1 chip but it was very quickly noted that the power usage of the Intel chip was way way higher than that of the M1 chip.
I have no doubt Intel will make chips that can out perform Apples AS chips BUT they will not be able to do so with regards it's power usage. I see no point in Intel waving it's 'We beat Apple' flag when to do so it would drain the machines battery power in double the time.
I have no doubt Intel will make chips that can out perform Apples AS chips BUT they will not be able to do so with regards it's power usage. I see no point in Intel waving it's 'We beat Apple' flag when to do so it would drain the machines battery power in double the time.
I certainly hope so, too. The world cannot rely on TSMC to produce the bulk of the most sophisticated chips. There aren't that many fab companies in the world and the only way to reduce our dependence on TSMC is to create more reliable fabs. Most of the chip makers are fab-less and rely on other companies like TSMC or Samsung. Both of those companies are in countries that are geopolitical hotspots. We desperately need Intel to get its act together. Texas Instruments is the only other significant one in the US besides Intel with a couple of other minor ones. Taiwan has a 63% worldwide marketshare of semiconductors, Samsung with 18%.
It is odd that the author of this article says that performance is at the expense of battery life. That may be true, but most testing I’ve seen is that top intel performance is only available on AC, and isn’t even available on battery. There are too many unknowns to link performance and battery life, performance and power consumption, or battery life in general; but assuming that top performance and low battery life go together is yet to be seen.
It's not surprising news, but a leaked roadmap (whether accurate or not) is interesting nonetheless.
It's a dead giant. I don't see me buying anything Intel for the foreseeable future.
It is not competition when all factors aren't the same. Intel has a heat problem, sure you can muster out a few percentage points faster but in the end its going to burn a hole on your lap or require it to be connected to AC.
But how does Intel know what the 2023 M Chip will be? They're targeting something which they know nothing about.