Other Leaving iPhone after 20 years

[eyoungren]

When a company lets their entire email division hacked, it’s not a matter of personal preference anymore. If wanting to protect my info is the same as liking a company then yes, I am one of those.
I deleted my account right after the hack was made public.

And I retained mine.

 

[Artemiz]

And I retained mine.

Well, that’s your choice.
I can excuse missteps, not gross negligence.

 

[eyoungren]

Well, that’s your choice.
I can excuse missteps, not gross negligence.

Yes, it is my choice. And I am not going to change.

Whether by negligence or misstep, my info is already out there through a variety of third party leaks. My own carrier (T-Mobile) has leaked my info. The best I can do is secure my accounts. My credit has long since been frozen with all three bureaus as well - so no one, not even me, is opening an account.

 

[I7guy]

Yahoo has email, contacts, calendars, reminders, and notes. Same as Google.

When I said 'frictionless', I meant third party services to me.

As far as photos with Apple, that has friction for me. I take a picture on my iDevices and to get it on my Macs, I have to open the Photos app and pull it out. Of course, it syncs to all my Apple devices and Macs, but it's all stored in iCloud unless I pull out individual pics.

That's why I use Dropbox for photos. Take pic, open Dropbox, the automatic Camera Uploads feature kicks in and the new photo uploads as a file (jpg or heic) to the Camera Uploads folder inside Dropbox. So, at that point, on EVERY device I have running Dropbox, that file (image) is immediately present.

On my Mac, it means I can periodically pull images from the Camera Uploads folder directly to my NAS. Which means, all those images get backed up - because my NAS gets backed up. And yes, they exist also in Dropbox's cloud. But ALSO PHYSICALLY on hard drives, SSDs and devices that I have running Dropbox.

I don't have to open another app to pull them out. They are physically present right on my Macs drives and all my devices.

I have a 2TB iCloud sub, and I got it because I broke an iPhone and wanted to put all my images in iCloud back on my replacement iPhone. It's solely for convenience.

Guess what? iCloud didn't restore everything. I had to physically go back and drop in all my backed up images that DROPBOX had saved back in to the Photos app on my Mac to get them to ALL show back up on my iPhone.

That is not frictionless.

Now I understand. Email, calendar and reminder services are a commodity. Google, apple, my ISP offers them. Photos are not frictionless, and even if one owns their own camera they are not frictionless.

I can’t say I’ve never had photos not restore. That has not been my experience, but sure it can happen and I remember reading about some issues over the years.

 

[daindian1]

As a UK based person. I’ve had android based phones from the Galaxy S onwards I now use a iPhone.

Things I miss now being on IOS for the last 2 years.

1. Fast charging
2. The ability to side load apps via apk files without the needing test flight etc like emulators etc
3. Stremio App. Yes it was on iOS for a bit but it’s now removed again
4. Not having to remove priority notifications one by one
5. Being able to use a third party keyboard for everything.

Things that android need to change to get me back

1. The ability to screenshot from banking apps. (This is very annoying)
2. The phone switching its self on when plugged in, if it’s switched off
3. Google pay- specifically not having to unlock my phone each time to pay especially on public transport.
4. A proper competitor to AirTags


The thing is both android and iOS have bits become restrictive as times gone on. Gone are the days where you could root your Samsung or jailbreak your iOS device.

 

[super chimp]

That's the only problem I have with it at the moment, especially coming from a Mini. Everyone that has seen it up close, even the people with big phones says it's big. lol.

If I put it in my pocket when standing the top pokes out. Don't even think about sitting down with it. It's too big to fit in the centre console of my car when plugged in where the USB ports are. I do literally feel like Im carrying a brick around. Don't get me wrong I really like the phone and OS etc. but it's too damn big. I'll be sticking with it and Im sure I'll get used to it but phones just don't need to be so big.

iPhone 6s was perfect size.

I’ve found the Xiaomi 17 on Amazon which seems well thought of.

Xiaomi 17 - Full phone specifications

m.gsmarena.com

 

[ab2c4]

I'll be switching everything to Android when I get my next phone.

I was a big Android guy for 10-ish years. Absolutely loved Android but started getting bored with it around the same time as the iphone X came out and it got my attention. When I was ready to get a new phone I got an Iphone 11 and started getting other apple products (watch ,ear buds, mac).

So now after six years I am mentally done with iphone/ios. I hate that the iphone has been using the same design since the 12 (Except for the Air, which is why I have the Air now). I absolutely hate beyond words the ios gesture navigation system. Every time I use an Android phone or tablet I am reminded how much better it is and I want to only use the on-screen navigation bar going forward. The ios keyboard? Its soo bad to me I don't know how anybody uses it. I spend more time fixing words that the phone puts in or misspells than I do typing myself. Iphones are very frustrating to use for me.

My son has Samsung everything and I am jealous when he is around. I was surprised at how much better the Samsung watch OS seemed to me when I played around with it.

Anyways, I will obviously keep and use my Mac until I can't anymore. I have no issue with my Mac. Would I buy another one when I need a computer? I don't know. I do like my AirPod Pro 2's a lot and thankfully I can use them even after I switch to Android.

I am going out with a bang at least. I currently have the Air and it is easily my favorite iphone I have ever had thankfully (I have had 7 iphones, some were work phones so I was using two phones at a time some years), but its still nowhere close to the enjoyment level offered with a flagship Android phone.

I think every person should really try both platforms to see which is the best for them. For me its clearly Android unless Apple someday offers an on-screen navigation bar, then I might consider coming back.

 

[ab2c4]

That's the only problem I have with it at the moment, especially coming from a Mini. Everyone that has seen it up close, even the people with big phones says it's big. lol.

If I put it in my pocket when standing the top pokes out. Don't even think about sitting down with it. It's too big to fit in the centre console of my car when plugged in where the USB ports are. I do literally feel like Im carrying a brick around. Don't get me wrong I really like the phone and OS etc. but it's too damn big. I'll be sticking with it and Im sure I'll get used to it but phones just don't need to be so big.

iPhone 6s was perfect size.

I haven't read all the responses in this post so I may be at fault for asking, but, if you prefer smaller and lighter phones why did you choose such a big Android phone? You could have bought one that is much smaller and lighter.

 

[eveluvsrainbows]

I hear you but things have been slipping for a while so I upgrade in the hope things improved only to find its the opposite. Like you say though maybe best to let someone else be the guinea pig so Im going to do that while I try out another system.

Respectfully, I vehemently disagree that things have been slipping; I avoided iOS 26 until beta 4 or 5 but I have very much enjoyed using it since. It has had its bugs, sure, but the vast majority have been ironed out as of 26.4. Plus iOS 27 is supposed to be a less feature focused update where Apple primarily focuses on performance and stability akin to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, so it should bring a huge improvement.

Switching to Android, one of the most unrefined and fragmented operating systems with a billion different design paradigms and philosophies, in an attempt to somehow experience less unreliability, is just quite frankly very questionable. Especially considering you went with Nothing, one of the most immature Android phone manufacturers; I know their software is a bit better, but its still Android, and Android is bleh due to all of its issues.

Saying this sort of thing might just be my disdain for Android coming out, since I used it from 2014 until 2020 (with a gap in 2017-2018 when I had an iPhone 7 Plus, until I went back to Android for a couple years before moving to iPhone full time with the 12 Pro Max) until I left due to how nightmareish it became, but honestly even with iOS’s quirks, I’d take it every day of the week over Android’s slowness and unreliability and inconsistencies; every single app is different from the other, which for someone with ADHD and autism among other neurological disorders, is very confusing and overstimulating and at times very overwhelming.

And I have been running macOS Tahoe on my M3 Max MacBook Pro 16” since early on in the beta cycle for that and it has given me very few problems. I don’t quite understand the issues you were having with it, but its been rock solid for me just like Sequoia was.

 

[eveluvsrainbows]

I'll be switching everything to Android when I get my next phone.

I was a big Android guy for 10-ish years. Absolutely loved Android but started getting bored with it around the same time as the iphone X came out and it got my attention. When I was ready to get a new phone I got an Iphone 11 and started getting other apple products (watch ,ear buds, mac).

So now after six years I am mentally done with iphone/ios. I hate that the iphone has been using the same design since the 12 (Except for the Air, which is why I have the Air now). I absolutely hate beyond words the ios gesture navigation system. Every time I use an Android phone or tablet I am reminded how much better it is and I want to only use the on-screen navigation bar going forward. The ios keyboard? Its soo bad to me I don't know how anybody uses it. I spend more time fixing words that the phone puts in or misspells than I do typing myself. Iphones are very frustrating to use for me.

My son has Samsung everything and I am jealous when he is around. I was surprised at how much better the Samsung watch OS seemed to me when I played around with it.

Anyways, I will obviously keep and use my Mac until I can't anymore. I have no issue with my Mac. Would I buy another one when I need a computer? I don't know. I do like my AirPod Pro 2's a lot and thankfully I can use them even after I switch to Android.

I am going out with a bang at least. I currently have the Air and it is easily my favorite iphone I have ever had thankfully (I have had 7 iphones, some were work phones so I was using two phones at a time some years), but its still nowhere close to the enjoyment level offered with a flagship Android phone.

I think every person should really try both platforms to see which is the best for them. For me its clearly Android unless Apple someday offers an on-screen navigation bar, then I might consider coming back.

The iPhone has not used the same design since the 12. It just got a major revamp with the 17 lineup. But also, what exactly is wrong with keeping things familiar? There is no need to re-invent the wheel every single smartphone cycle. Smartphones have matured; they are at a point now where they are just going to see minor incremental updates and revisions; smartphones peaked in terms of major innovations back in the 2010s.

Additionally, smartphones are tools. They aren’t a fashion statement. They are there to accomplish tasks and to allow people to get things done, and maybe have some fun on them every once in a while. Tools are meant to be boring, and not see significant changes for the sake of changes.

Also, I don’t agree with the concept that the iOS gesture navigation system is bad. If it was bad, why did Google adopt it (but in a worse way) back with Android 10? Also, they majorly fixed the iOS keyboard with 26.4 in terms of accuracy and reliability. I’ve noticed that ever since the update I have made a lot less typos than I used to, despite the occasional fumble due to me tapping the wrong keys at times (I don’t really look at my smartphone or physical keyboard while typing). And this is with auto-correct turned off. But then again I do double check that what I write is correct, to make sure I don’t post or send something that has a trillion typos.

And I definitely disagree with the idea that Samsung is good. I have an S22 Ultra that co-exists alongside my 17 Pro Max, and my god is One UI absolute garbage. Its by far the worst Android variant I have ever used. It is just so insanely bloated and filled to the brim with features that I am never going to use, and the design reeks of trying to make it look like iOS. Its also just incredibly buggy and at times incredibly slow as well, and thats despite it being on One UI 8.0. I’m sure the hardware in Samsung’s modern flagships post-S22 is good, but the terrible software rules out me ever trying it or Android as a whole ever again. I am comfortable on iOS, it is where my smartphone life has lived since 2020, and it is going to stay that way due to the fact that I am so comfortable with iOS that there is no reasonably conceivable way that I can stomach switching away from it.

 

[eveluvsrainbows]

That's the only problem I have with it at the moment, especially coming from a Mini. Everyone that has seen it up close, even the people with big phones says it's big. lol.

If I put it in my pocket when standing the top pokes out. Don't even think about sitting down with it. It's too big to fit in the centre console of my car when plugged in where the USB ports are. I do literally feel like Im carrying a brick around. Don't get me wrong I really like the phone and OS etc. but it's too damn big. I'll be sticking with it and Im sure I'll get used to it but phones just don't need to be so big.

iPhone 6s was perfect size.

I don't agree. At all. Big phones are quite useful, especially as your eyes age and things become harder to see. We will very much not have perfect vision forever, so having a bigger screen and having the text be bigger on the bigger screen than it otherwise would be on a smaller screen, is incredibly beneficial and useful. Not to mention the other creature comforts that come with a bigger screen and phone: better battery life, better overall performance (there is more overall area for heat to spread, which allows for further sustained performance), better canvas for watching content (I love watching content on the large screen of the Pro Max), and superior readability. Its also arguably a lot easier to tap things on a bigger display, because the UI elements are bigger than they are on smaller displays as well.

The last time I had a small phone screen, was back in 2014-2015 when I had the Sony Xperia M2, which served as my first ever smartphone. That had a 4.8" screen, bigger than the iPhone 6's display. It was slow, but it was fine as my first smartphone. But then I got the LG G3 which had a 5.5" screen, and from there the future smartphones I got were bigger and bigger each and every time up to now where my 17 Pro Max has a 6.9" display. I have never been a small phone person. I like bigger phones because it makes everything easier even if I am unable to use it one handed.

So I respectfully disagree that the iPhone 6s with its 4.7" display was a perfect size.

 

[ab2c4]

The iPhone has not used the same design since the 12. It just got a major revamp with the 17 lineup. But also, what exactly is wrong with keeping things familiar? There is no need to re-invent the wheel every single smartphone cycle. Smartphones have matured; they are at a point now where they are just going to see minor incremental updates and revisions; smartphones peaked in terms of major innovations back in the 2010s.

Additionally, smartphones are tools. They aren’t a fashion statement. They are there to accomplish tasks and to allow people to get things done, and maybe have some fun on them every once in a while. Tools are meant to be boring, and not see significant changes for the sake of changes.

Also, I don’t agree with the concept that the iOS gesture navigation system is bad. If it was bad, why did Google adopt it (but in a worse way) back with Android 10? Also, they majorly fixed the iOS keyboard with 26.4 in terms of accuracy and reliability. I’ve noticed that ever since the update I have made a lot less typos than I used to, despite the occasional fumble due to me tapping the wrong keys at times (I don’t really look at my smartphone or physical keyboard while typing). And this is with auto-correct turned off. But then again I do double check that what I write is correct, to make sure I don’t post or send something that has a trillion typos.

And I definitely disagree with the idea that Samsung is good. I have an S22 Ultra that co-exists alongside my 17 Pro Max, and my god is One UI absolute garbage. Its by far the worst Android variant I have ever used. It is just so insanely bloated and filled to the brim with features that I am never going to use, and the design reeks of trying to make it look like iOS. Its also just incredibly buggy and at times incredibly slow as well, and thats despite it being on One UI 8.0. I’m sure the hardware in Samsung’s modern flagships post-S22 is good, but the terrible software rules out me ever trying it or Android as a whole ever again. I am comfortable on iOS, it is where my smartphone life has lived since 2020, and it is going to stay that way due to the fact that I am so comfortable with iOS that there is no reasonably conceivable way that I can stomach switching away from it.

I would disagree on the design. My wife has an iphone 12 for work and a 17 Pro Max for her own phone, same design. The slight changes to the camera area in my opinion don't make it a new design. Now the 11 was a different design. I think iphone design peaked/matured with the X/Xs and possibly 11, but then for whatever reason they chose to go backwards with the 12 and after. Probably so when the redesign comes, rumored to be the Anniversary edition coming next year, they can push the "all new design". If the rumors are true then rounded sides are supposed to be back.

My problem with the design has nothing to do with fashion, but with comfort. I, and many people supposedly (based on what many others are saying online), hate the flat sides with the sharp edges that have existed since the 12. Very uncomfortable to hold and at times physically painful. Tools should not be physically painful to use.

I sure hope they finally fixed the keyboard for everyone's sake. It has been a problem since the iphone 8ish days?

Samsung makes good hardware but the Android you are getting isn't the pure Android. You need a Google phone for that and its amazing. Its so fast and smooth compared to everything else on the market (at least with my last Pixel phone).

The navigation system. I don't blame Google for offering gestures as an option. Heck I am sure it helped them gain customers coming over from iphones. At its core the navigation bar is its main navigation system so to speak. It is so much faster, more efficient and less labor intensive than gestures. Truly a thing of beauty to use. Plus, as we age, much easier to use. I myself am finding that executing the gestures on my iphone is becoming harder to do, requiring more tries to accomplish whatever it is I'm trying to do.

My son has Samsung everything. I have to say I am extremely envious of his Samsung watch compared to my Apple watch. Wow, that thing blows my Apple watch away. I haven't gotten to play with a Google watch yet, I imagine its similar.

For me ios is beyond boring at this point. So limited. I can understand that a lot of people would be happy with that though and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe its being an IT person and used to using so many different OS's but I want the option to do more with my phone, especially with customization, and Apple has ios so locked down and restricted it has overstayed its welcome for me.

 

[Luftkopf]

I would disagree on the design. My wife has an iphone 12 for work and a 17 Pro Max for her own phone, same design. The slight changes to the camera area in my opinion don't make it a new design. Now the 11 was a different design. I think iphone design peaked/matured with the X/Xs and possibly 11, but then for whatever reason they chose to go backwards with the 12 and after. Probably so when the redesign comes, rumored to be the Anniversary edition coming next year, they can push the "all new design". If the rumors are true then rounded sides are supposed to be back.

My problem with the design has nothing to do with fashion, but with comfort. I, and many people supposedly (based on what many others are saying online), hate the flat sides with the sharp edges that have existed since the 12. Very uncomfortable to hold and at times physically painful. Tools should not be physically painful to use.

I sure hope they finally fixed the keyboard for everyone's sake. It has been a problem since the iphone 8ish days?

Samsung makes good hardware but the Android you are getting isn't the pure Android. You need a Google phone for that and its amazing. Its so fast and smooth compared to everything else on the market (at least with my last Pixel phone).

The navigation system. I don't blame Google for offering gestures as an option. Heck I am sure it helped them gain customers coming over from iphones. At its core the navigation bar is its main navigation system so to speak. It is so much faster, more efficient and less labor intensive than gestures. Truly a thing of beauty to use. Plus, as we age, much easier to use. I myself am finding that executing the gestures on my iphone is becoming harder to do, requiring more tries to accomplish whatever it is I'm trying to do.

My son has Samsung everything. I have to say I am extremely envious of his Samsung watch compared to my Apple watch. Wow, that thing blows my Apple watch away. I haven't gotten to play with a Google watch yet, I imagine its similar.

For me ios is beyond boring at this point. So limited. I can understand that a lot of people would be happy with that though and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe its being an IT person and used to using so many different OS's but I want the option to do more with my phone, especially with customization, and Apple has ios so locked down and restricted it has overstayed its welcome for me.

Please no, don’t bring the rounded sides back! I still have my iPhone 8 Plus, and 11, and really don’t want to go back to that!

 

[SoYoung]

I absolutely don't know why someone would want to switch to Android if he have multiple Apple products. Phones nowadays are almost all the same. Switching because you (in general) are tired of the current interface and want a fresh experience will be bothered very soon after their new honeymoon with their new devices. Smartphones nowadays is very mature, and I don't know why I'd want to switch to a Samsung phone for exemple when I'd lose all the great integration I have with my Mac, watch, AirPods, iPads etc. For me, it's simply not worth the switch.

Apple isn't perfect and I do think the competition looks appealing sometimes but as long as my phone will do what I need, I'll never take the risk of switching just because I want something new because I just know I'll regret all the ecosystem benefits in less than a month or 2. As a lifetime Windows user until 2016 when I've switched to Mac, I'll never go back to Windows anytime soon and I really prefer macOS now so, just because of that, it would be even more illogical to buy an Android phone.

But yeah, If you don't own any other Apple products or have just a watch or AirPods, yeah, the with is easier and probably worth it for you if you want a change.

 

[eyoungren]

I absolutely don't know why someone would want to switch to Android if he have multiple Apple products. Phones nowadays are almost all the same. Switching because you (in general) are tired of the current interface and want a fresh experience will be bothered very soon after their new honeymoon with their new devices. Smartphones nowadays is very mature, and I don't know why I'd want to switch to a Samsung phone for exemple when I'd lose all the great integration I have with my Mac, watch, AirPods, iPads etc. For me, it's simply not worth the switch.

Apple isn't perfect and I do think the competition looks appealing sometimes but as long as my phone will do what I need, I'll never take the risk of switching just because I want something new because I just know I'll regret all the ecosystem benefits in less than a month or 2. As a lifetime Windows user until 2016 when I've switched to Mac, I'll never go back to Windows anytime soon and I really prefer macOS now so, just because of that, it would be even more illogical to buy an Android phone.

But yeah, If you don't own any other Apple products or have just a watch or AirPods, yeah, the with is easier and probably worth it for you if you want a change.

You can use your Apple devices without having to use Apple's services. All my iPhones, iPads, and Macs are used with Google, Yahoo and Dropbox. With my Macs, I use Microsoft apps as well. Guess what? All that stuff works on Android and PCs too!

And that's how you can switch to Android without risk and without regretting things. Of course, if you're all-in on Apple's services alone, then this becomes the scenario that you are commenting on.

Few people it seems ever want to take the middle ground. They are either all in on Android/Google/Samsung or all in on Apple. And then they cry about the difficulty of moving between either system. Or they get entrenched in their own camp and throw rocks at the other system. When third party services that can move easily between both have long been available on both platforms.

SMH.

 

[ab2c4]

Please no, don’t bring the rounded sides back! I still have my iPhone 8 Plus, and 11, and really don’t want to go back to that!

If the rumors are true, next year the high end Anniversary edition will bring them back and bring with them a curved edges display also (remember the Samsung Edge phones that used to exist?). I’m guessing you should still be able to buy the non pro and E models with the sharp edges though.

 

[ab2c4]

You can use your Apple devices without having to use Apple's services. All my iPhones, iPads, and Macs are used with Google, Yahoo and Dropbox. With my Macs, I use Microsoft apps as well. Guess what? All that stuff works on Android and PCs too!

And that's how you can switch to Android without risk and without regretting things. Of course, if you're all-in on Apple's services alone, then this becomes the scenario that you are commenting on.

Few people it seems ever want to take the middle ground. They are either all in on Android/Google/Samsung or all in on Apple. And then they cry about the difficulty of moving between either system. When third party services that can move easily between both have long been available on both platforms.

SMH.

I agree. I use third party apps as well Google apps that are available on all systems on my devices so I can easily and quickly switch between platforms and never lose anything. I couldn’t imagine being tied to one company. I personally don’t use and get wrapped up in any one ecosystem. When I switch back to an Android phone I just need to download a few apps, a few logins needed, and I’ll be up and running quickly. I have made the switch back and forth between Android and iPhone a few times. I might use a particular company for their hardware at a particular time but I’m in no way tied to them.

It’s sad that some people, probably due to a lack of knowledge, get themselves tied into one system.

 

[ab2c4]

I absolutely don't know why someone would want to switch to Android if he have multiple Apple products. Phones nowadays are almost all the same. Switching because you (in general) are tired of the current interface and want a fresh experience will be bothered very soon after their new honeymoon with their new devices. Smartphones nowadays is very mature, and I don't know why I'd want to switch to a Samsung phone for exemple when I'd lose all the great integration I have with my Mac, watch, AirPods, iPads etc. For me, it's simply not worth the switch.

Apple isn't perfect and I do think the competition looks appealing sometimes but as long as my phone will do what I need, I'll never take the risk of switching just because I want something new because I just know I'll regret all the ecosystem benefits in less than a month or 2. As a lifetime Windows user until 2016 when I've switched to Mac, I'll never go back to Windows anytime soon and I really prefer macOS now so, just because of that, it would be even more illogical to buy an Android phone.

But yeah, If you don't own any other Apple products or have just a watch or AirPods, yeah, the with is easier and probably worth it for you if you want a change.

Well in my case I currently have and use an iphone, macbook pro, apple watch and airpod pro's. When I make the switch back to android I will just need to buy a new phone and watch. My old iphone and apple watch I will trade in at the Apple store so my wife can use the store credit for herself (she is a die hard apple user). I will continue to use my Macbook as I always have, nothing will change with that. I use 2 or 3 different operating systems at any given time at home anyways (I was using Windows, Chromebook and Mac, but now just Chromebook and Mac at the moment but am considering adding a Linux machine to the mix). My Airpod pro's will continue to work just fine with a new android phone (I only use them to listen to music and for phone calls anyways).

Its always been easy for me to switch back and forth and jump around to and between different systems. I have used Android phones more throughout the years than iphones so there is no honeymoon phase or adjusting for me.

 

[ab2c4]

Respectfully, I vehemently disagree that things have been slipping; I avoided iOS 26 until beta 4 or 5 but I have very much enjoyed using it since. It has had its bugs, sure, but the vast majority have been ironed out as of 26.4. Plus iOS 27 is supposed to be a less feature focused update where Apple primarily focuses on performance and stability akin to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, so it should bring a huge improvement.

Switching to Android, one of the most unrefined and fragmented operating systems with a billion different design paradigms and philosophies, in an attempt to somehow experience less unreliability, is just quite frankly very questionable. Especially considering you went with Nothing, one of the most immature Android phone manufacturers; I know their software is a bit better, but its still Android, and Android is bleh due to all of its issues.

Saying this sort of thing might just be my disdain for Android coming out, since I used it from 2014 until 2020 (with a gap in 2017-2018 when I had an iPhone 7 Plus, until I went back to Android for a couple years before moving to iPhone full time with the 12 Pro Max) until I left due to how nightmareish it became, but honestly even with iOS’s quirks, I’d take it every day of the week over Android’s slowness and unreliability and inconsistencies; every single app is different from the other, which for someone with ADHD and autism among other neurological disorders, is very confusing and overstimulating and at times very overwhelming.

And I have been running macOS Tahoe on my M3 Max MacBook Pro 16” since early on in the beta cycle for that and it has given me very few problems. I don’t quite understand the issues you were having with it, but its been rock solid for me just like Sequoia was.

Its interesting how people can have such varied and opposite experiences. With all the iphones I have used over the years they have all been plagued with issues, every single one of them. Yet with the android phones, and I have used several different flavors of them (Google, Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC) they have all been pretty much problem free for me.

I have to wonder if its how a particular person's mind works and understands in general. Obviously humans are not all alike in how we think. For me the way android works makes total common sense to me. Its so easy to use and just works. With ios it always feels like it works kind of like in reverse and I'm often left asking myself "why in the world would they design such and such to work this way, it makes no sense". I obviously use ios and have for years but find it cumbersome to use compared to android.

 

[eyoungren]

If the rumors are true, next year the high end Anniversary edition will bring them back and bring with them a curved edges display also (remember the Samsung Edge phones that used to exist?). I’m guessing you should still be able to buy the non pro and E models with the sharp edges though.

I'm still on the iPhone 11 Pro Max, and if Apple brings back rounded corners soon, it seems I will have missed the entire era of flat sides. Which is aggravating, because that's one of the things I liked about my iPhone 5.

 

[Luftkopf]

Its interesting how people can have such varied and opposite experiences. With all the iphones I have used over the years they have all been plagued with issues, every single one of them. Yet with the android phones, and I have used several different flavors of them (Google, Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC) they have all been pretty much problem free for me.

I have to wonder if its how a particular person's mind works and understands in general. Obviously humans are not all alike in how we think. For me the way android works makes total common sense to me. Its so easy to use and just works. With ios it always feels like it works kind of like in reverse and I'm often left asking myself "why in the world would they design such and such to work this way, it makes no sense". I obviously use ios and have for years but find it cumbersome to use compared to android.

It is fascinating, isn’t it. The different approaches work better for different people. For me, personally, I find Android infuriating, and iOS effortlessly intuitive. Although it helps that I’ve used iOS constantly since v1.1, while I’ve only used other people’s Androids here and there over the years. But I’ve never got bored with iOS, just more comfortable.

I remember trying to help my dad with his HTC ages ago. Shudder

 

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Its interesting how people can have such varied and opposite experiences. With all the iphones I have used over the years they have all been plagued with issues, every single one of them. Yet with the android phones, and I have used several different flavors of them (Google, Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC) they have all been pretty much problem free for me.

I have to wonder if its how a particular person's mind works and understands in general. Obviously humans are not all alike in how we think. For me the way android works makes total common sense to me. Its so easy to use and just works. With ios it always feels like it works kind of like in reverse and I'm often left asking myself "why in the world would they design such and such to work this way, it makes no sense". I obviously use ios and have for years but find it cumbersome to use compared to android.

What exactly is so cumbersome to use about iOS? I don’t personally feel that way; its always felt easier for me to use than Android no matter what Android phone I used; I even used a Pixel as the last Android phone I used prior to switching to iPhone full-time and I still found it quite annoying; I had enough to where I decided to switch to iPhone with the 12 Pro Max and have been on iPhone ever since. I have never had any issues that weren’t fixed in a future software update or hardware upgrade.

I would disagree on the design. My wife has an iphone 12 for work and a 17 Pro Max for her own phone, same design. The slight changes to the camera area in my opinion don't make it a new design. Now the 11 was a different design. I think iphone design peaked/matured with the X/Xs and possibly 11, but then for whatever reason they chose to go backwards with the 12 and after. Probably so when the redesign comes, rumored to be the Anniversary edition coming next year, they can push the "all new design". If the rumors are true then rounded sides are supposed to be back.

My problem with the design has nothing to do with fashion, but with comfort. I, and many people supposedly (based on what many others are saying online), hate the flat sides with the sharp edges that have existed since the 12. Very uncomfortable to hold and at times physically painful. Tools should not be physically painful to use.

I sure hope they finally fixed the keyboard for everyone's sake. It has been a problem since the iphone 8ish days?

Samsung makes good hardware but the Android you are getting isn't the pure Android. You need a Google phone for that and its amazing. Its so fast and smooth compared to everything else on the market (at least with my last Pixel phone).

The navigation system. I don't blame Google for offering gestures as an option. Heck I am sure it helped them gain customers coming over from iphones. At its core the navigation bar is its main navigation system so to speak. It is so much faster, more efficient and less labor intensive than gestures. Truly a thing of beauty to use. Plus, as we age, much easier to use. I myself am finding that executing the gestures on my iphone is becoming harder to do, requiring more tries to accomplish whatever it is I'm trying to do.

My son has Samsung everything. I have to say I am extremely envious of his Samsung watch compared to my Apple watch. Wow, that thing blows my Apple watch away. I haven't gotten to play with a Google watch yet, I imagine its similar.

For me ios is beyond boring at this point. So limited. I can understand that a lot of people would be happy with that though and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe its being an IT person and used to using so many different OS's but I want the option to do more with my phone, especially with customization, and Apple has ios so locked down and restricted it has overstayed its welcome for me.

Respectfully, I don’t believe iOS is locked down nor is it restricted anymore. Sure, prior to the release of iOS 14 it was very locked down and limited in what you can do in terms of customization, but ever since iOS 14 they have added lots of customization features and options as well as features in general, and it is nowhere near limited anymore. However, despite this I have never once felt constrained or limited by iOS' capabilities even back in those days. I have no reason to sideload, I have never really customized my phone that much (as I've grown into an adult, the need for customization has basically died. I don't even use widgets because I don't see the purpose), and everything I do on my phone from day to day I am able to do flawlessly without problem on my iPhone and it feels effortless to me compared to on Android. Also, of course iOS is going to seem boring. At the end of the day, a phone is a tool, and in this case, boring is good. It's better to be boring than to try and re-invent the wheel all the time. Apple knows this; its why they didn't dramatically redesign iOS with iOS 26 and just added transparency and glass-like effects while keeping the core design philosophy iOS has had since iOS 7, intact. Like they did change a lot of things, but not dramatically. And that's a good thing. Having to re-learn how to use a smartphone OS due to a complete redesign of the entire operating system would just be infuriating. God knows how much Google has redesigned Android over the past decade; Android from 2014 is literally unrecognizable to the Android of today and that is not a good thing.

Also, I use my phone in a case most of the time, but I don't currently have one for my 17 Pro Max due to having just upgraded to it yesterday, and I have had no issues holding it or anything. The edges don't feel sharp or anything. The stainless steel frame of the 12-14 Pro felt a bit sharp, but with the 17 Pro Max it reminds me a lot of the iPhone 5 with its aluminium unibody design and the iPhone 4-5 are widely considered to be some of the best designed phones of all time.

I also do not agree that virtual buttons are easier to use than the gesture system. I find it incredibly natural to be able to swipe up to go back to my home screen, or to swipe up and hold to access the app switcher, among the other gestures like swiping from the right side to access Control Center, among others. It feels infinitely more fluid to me as well.

Final viewpoint, I don't think Samsung watches are more capable than Apple watches. Apple has added a lot of features to the watchOS software over the years and it is an incredibly robust OS for something that runs on a watch.

 

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What exactly is so cumbersome to use about iOS? I don’t personally feel that way; its always felt easier for me to use than Android no matter what Android phone I used; I even used a Pixel as the last Android phone I used prior to switching to iPhone full-time and I still found it quite annoying; I had enough to where I decided to switch to iPhone with the 12 Pro Max and have been on iPhone ever since. I have never had any issues that weren’t fixed in a future software update or hardware upgrade.

Respectfully, I don’t believe iOS is locked down nor is it restricted anymore. Sure, prior to the release of iOS 14 it was very locked down and limited in what you can do in terms of customization, but ever since iOS 14 they have added lots of customization features and options as well as features in general, and it is nowhere near limited anymore. However, despite this I have never once felt constrained or limited by iOS' capabilities even back in those days. I have no reason to sideload, I have never really customized my phone that much (as I've grown into an adult, the need for customization has basically died. I don't even use widgets because I don't see the purpose), and everything I do on my phone from day to day I am able to do flawlessly without problem on my iPhone and it feels effortless to me compared to on Android. Also, of course iOS is going to seem boring. At the end of the day, a phone is a tool, and in this case, boring is good. It's better to be boring than to try and re-invent the wheel all the time. Apple knows this; its why they didn't dramatically redesign iOS with iOS 26 and just added transparency and glass-like effects while keeping the core design philosophy iOS has had since iOS 7, intact. Like they did change a lot of things, but not dramatically. And that's a good thing. Having to re-learn how to use a smartphone OS due to a complete redesign of the entire operating system would just be infuriating. God knows how much Google has redesigned Android over the past decade; Android from 2014 is literally unrecognizable to the Android of today and that is not a good thing.

Also, I use my phone in a case most of the time, but I don't currently have one for my 17 Pro Max due to having just upgraded to it yesterday, and I have had no issues holding it or anything. The edges don't feel sharp or anything. The stainless steel frame of the 12-14 Pro felt a bit sharp, but with the 17 Pro Max it reminds me a lot of the iPhone 5 with its aluminium unibody design and the iPhone 4-5 are widely considered to be some of the best designed phones of all time.

I also do not agree that virtual buttons are easier to use than the gesture system. I find it incredibly natural to be able to swipe up to go back to my home screen, or to swipe up and hold to access the app switcher, among the other gestures like swiping from the right side to access Control Center, among others. It feels infinitely more fluid to me as well.

Final viewpoint, I don't think Samsung watches are more capable than Apple watches. Apple has added a lot of features to the watchOS software over the years and it is an incredibly robust OS for something that runs on a watch.

I think we can mutually say that we agree to disagree lol, and there is nothing wrong with that. I like chocolate, you like vanilla, etc etc.

 

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I absolutely don't know why someone would want to switch to Android if he have multiple Apple products. Phones nowadays are almost all the same. Switching because you (in general) are tired of the current interface and want a fresh experience will be bothered very soon after their new honeymoon with their new devices. Smartphones nowadays is very mature, and I don't know why I'd want to switch to a Samsung phone for exemple when I'd lose all the great integration I have with my Mac, watch, AirPods, iPads etc. For me, it's simply not worth the switch.

I had an iPhone 6s which I kept as long as I could because I didn't want to pay $$$$$ for a new one. I got a free Android phone with a particular phone deal for the wife but she switched over her iPhone to it. So I took the unlocked Android phone and played about with Android for a few weeks. You know what, I realized Android is way better for my use case than the iPhone. I used few apps on the phone but must have Vivaldi as the browser. It is just a better experience in my case with this free phone. A year+ later, I simply wouldn't switch to an Apple phone as I feel they're a waste of money.

 

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If the rumors are true, next year the high end Anniversary edition will bring them back and bring with them a curved edges display also (remember the Samsung Edge phones that used to exist?). I’m guessing you should still be able to buy the non pro and E models with the sharp edges though.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but I’ll be disappointed if they go back to the soap bar edges before I’m ready to upgrade my iPhone 14.

I agree. I use third party apps as well Google apps that are available on all systems on my devices so I can easily and quickly switch between platforms and never lose anything. I couldn’t imagine being tied to one company. I personally don’t use and get wrapped up in any one ecosystem. When I switch back to an Android phone I just need to download a few apps, a few logins needed, and I’ll be up and running quickly. I have made the switch back and forth between Android and iPhone a few times. I might use a particular company for their hardware at a particular time but I’m in no way tied to them.

It’s sad that some people, probably due to a lack of knowledge, get themselves tied into one system.

I respect the effort to not be tied down, it’s a good way to operate. I don’t though. I use a lot of Apple’s services, they’re rather good! I guess they’re part of what keeps me in iOS, but I’m probably more rusted on than locked in…

I have never given any thought to switching, as I’ve never seen anything that was even remotely compelling next to an iPhone to me. The last phone I saw that made me think that’s nice that wasn’t an iPhone was a Nokia Windows phone back in the day.