Leaving iPhone... For Evo 4g (The sad tale of an Apple Enthusiast)

[three]

Welcome to the Android world, I'm sure you'll love it over here. Once you get your EVO, be sure to post lots of pictures and a review for us. I made the Android switch a couple months ago to the Sprint HTC Hero, great phone even though it is a bit underpowered.

 

[fabian9]

I fail to see how android is better. I've used my buddy's droid and was not impressed. you have to go to settings just to turn on wi-fi

can you tell me how this is any different from an un-jailbroken iPhone? I understand the option to enable this functionality exists on both platforms, on the iPhone you need to jailbreak it, on droid you install a widget. what happens if the next iphone isn't jailbreakable anymore? i'm sorry to say but your argument is extremely flawed.


what's up with people complaining about OP posting this in the iPhone forum, it's an iPhone topic in the iPhone forum, isn't it? The main purpose for having a forum is to discuss things, and this has made for a great discussion so far. imagine if we'd all have the same opinion and just keep praising our apple products, how boring! i believe that apple employees look for customer feedback in forums like this, so it's important to discuss things around here in order to help companies like apple innovate and make even better products in the future.

Personally, I have been set on getting the new iPhone as soon as it comes out. I do agree, however, that the iPhone's and Apple's competition is making huge advances that should not be neglected. I'm hoping to have a play with a Droid phone before the next iPhone comes out so that I can make an unbiased decision as to which way I want to go.

If you want to have the best phone (for you), you need to be open minded and sometimes widen your horizon by at least looking at non-apple products.

 

[sishaw]

Perhaps Apple's getting owned in the media will finally get it off it's self-made ivory tower and:

1. Force Jobs into retirement. He's an obnoxious, loudmouthed salesman, nothing more. Get a real CEO that views customers as an asset, for a change.

Yeah, because that worked so well last time.

 

[rayyu882]

To the original poster, that's very brave of you... I'm long over due for an upgrade for my phone (I'm still using a 5 years old phone). But I will definitely wait after the WWDC to see what Apple is releasing before I make my decision.

 

[Roessnakhan]

I'm going to see what the iPhone 4 offers v. the EVO before I decide on which phone to choose. I'm fairly certain the specs will be less than that of the EVO. I have owned the following Android devices:

• G1
• myTouch
• Droid
• Nexus One

Of those I think the Nexus One was the most comparable to the iPhone. I went back to the iPhone 3GS (with its lack of multitasking and inferior display) because I think the OS is a much more unified experience (specifically the media player), and has a better keyboard.

In the end I think Android is a better OS in terms of doing whatever you want to do with your device, free of restriction. I think the iPhone OS is the device you want that acts the same way every time you unlock it.

The thing that annoy me is that the sub title of this forum is iPhone, not android. I want to read posts about iPhone not about how android is this and android is that.

Tip: Don't open the thread.

 

[debusoh]

Well said! Steve Jobs is out of his mind, and his personal vendetta against Adobe is going to leave many iPhone and Apple costumers with yet another item on their wish list permanently.

It's true and Apple and Steve Jobs has a track record of pompously insisting what the customer likes, wants and needs.

You do realize that Apple was going down the tubes until they brought Steve back and that they now have the 3rd largest market capitalization of any company in the US, right?!?!?

You may have a quibble with some of his decisions, but Steve Jobs has been nothing short of the best CEO in the country since his return to Apple.

And, Apple isn't the only company he has lead to greatness: Pixar.

 

[mgamber]

You do realize that Apple was going down the tubes until they brought Steve back and that they now have the 3rd largest market capitalization of any company in the US, right?!?!?

You may have a quibble with some of his decisions, but Steve Jobs has been nothing short of the best CEO in the country since his return to Apple.

And, Apple isn't the only company he has lead to greatness: Pixar.

yeah....15 years ago. Today he's an obnoxious tool who has apparently decided that a time of sharp economic downturn is a good time to try to force people to spend what little money they have on a vision he shares with few more than his cult of followers. If he really has no idea how the real world lives and what they want, he should be ousted in favor of someone who does. I hardly think Jobs is that unique and Bill Gates was certainly a better salesman and businessman.

 

[Alchematron]

I feel the same Brock

However I plan to test drive the EVO and new iPhone at the same time before I make a decision to jump ship.

4.3" screen, hotspot, and Adobe Flash have me leaning towards the EVO

 

[malnar]

Of the ones sticking with iPhone, how much is brand loyalty, contractual commitments/business discounts playing a part in you sticking with it, and who of you REALLY believe that os 4.0 is technically or aesthetically superior?

I haven't used an HTC with Sense so I can't answer from that aspect, but I can answer everything else. I'll be sticking with the Iphone because I don't see anything in the Android update that does anything particularly special for me that the Iphone doesn't already do or won't do in 4.0. I'm not some techy geek that does all kinds of things on my phone that requires all kinds of freedom - I'm probably more like most people. I make calls, I play games, I surf the net, I check email, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

And changing the OS just to change it? Why? I like the Iphone OS how it is. You guys who are upset that the Iphone OS hasn't been radically revamped are completely missing the point of the whole thing. It's supposed to be easy to use and STAY easy to use. What needs to be changed? I can't see anything drastic that hasn't already been addressed in 4.0 (folders, etc.) But change it just to make it different? No point.

All this about notifications on the unlock screen . . . I just don't care. I really don't. If it had it, cool. It doesn't so no big deal. I don't know when I would be just turning on my Iphone to look when I wouldn't be unlocking it anyway. This seems to be massively overemphasized wished-for feature to me.

I just plain prefer the Iphone in terms of physical design. I haven't seen one Android phone yet that I think even remotely approaches the Iphone in the design department. They're either bland or just plain ugly.

I think a lot of you see the latest and greatest and just want it, but feel some need to come up with a really elaborate statement about why you've been "let down by Apple" in order to justify it. Just admit you're tech geeks and you just want to switch phones every few months. You'll buy your HTC whatevers every 2-3 months, and then get sick of them, then buy an Iphone, then a new Android phone will come out, and you'll dump the Iphone, dump the driod, over and over. It's an endless cycle. You guys like your toys.

 

[nycbhh]

You do realize that Apple was going down the tubes until they brought Steve back and that they now have the 3rd largest market capitalization of any company in the US, right?!?!?

You may have a quibble with some of his decisions, but Steve Jobs has been nothing short of the best CEO in the country since his return to Apple.

And, Apple isn't the only company he has lead to greatness: Pixar.

Speaking of Pixar, this all reminds me of how Michael Eisner led Disney from almost being sold off in parts to being an economic world power. At the height of his career, he was also considered one of the best CEOs of the time. Then Eisner got infamously arrogant in his personality and business practices, started multiple lawsuits and got in public pissing matches with all sorts of people in the industry and practically ran Disney into the ground. Looks to me like Jobs might currently be on a similar path.

 

[nwcs]

I've been in the business world for 15 years now. Jobs is doing what every good CEO tries to do -- he just succeeds at it better than most. Ousting him at this point is idiocy. The primary job of a CEO is to increase shareholder value. He's done that better than anyone since Sam Walton. So don't expect a change unless the stock plummets.

 

[mgamber]

Actually, it just occurred to me that I have the real "iPhone killer"....an iPad. MLB at Bat and Slingplayer (and everything else on my phone) work just fine on that, I can do just fine without an iPhone. With my contract expiring in July, perhaps I'll put my money where my keyboard is and get a modern phone on a real carrier. Problem solved, argument over. Bye!

 

[GamecockMac]

Let me summarize these threads for you:

*insert whiny poster*: I am tired of iPhone because *insert the same list of reasons as previous whiny posters*, and I am going to switch to *insert the same list of phones that other whiny posters have switched to*.

So really, we heard them all. The worst part is every new post seems to be increasing its length with more gibberish.

Bye, see ya!

+1

 

[Dammit Cubs]

i think when you write "this is not a flame post"..


IT IS A FLAME POST!

 

[GamecockMac]

yeah....15 years ago. Today he's an obnoxious tool who has apparently decided that a time of sharp economic downturn is a good time to try to force people to spend what little money they have on a vision he shares with few more than his cult of followers. If he really has no idea how the real world lives and what they want, he should be ousted in favor of someone who does. I hardly think Jobs is that unique and Bill Gates was certainly a better salesman and businessman.

Quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read in these forums, and that's saying something. Congrats on reaching a new low.

So in difficult economic times, Steve Jobs has enough sheer force of will to force people to buy the products his company sells? That's really what you want to go with? And his vision is shared by "few more than his cult of followers"? Seriously? Have you seen sales numbers for the iPhone (and Macs, and iPods, and now iPads) during this recession? The "cult" must be pretty huge, and growing all the time then, huh?

Try using something other than your bitter hatred to help you post next time. I'd suggest your brain, perhaps.

 

[Applejuiced]

Quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read in these forums, and that's saying something. Congrats on reaching a new low.

So in difficult economic times, Steve Jobs has enough sheer force of will to force people to buy the products his company sells? That's really what you want to go with? And his vision is shared by "few more than his cult of followers"? Seriously? Have you seen sales numbers for the iPhone (and Macs, and iPods, and now iPads) during this recession? The "cult" must be pretty huge, and growing all the time then, huh?

Try using something other than your bitter hatred to help you post next time. I'd suggest your brain, perhaps.

Very well said.
So much nonsense in this thread.

 

[Dr Kevorkian94]

I truly love my iPhone but it does have it's limitations if I ever need something it doesn't have I'll jailbreak it.I'm typing on my iPad sitting next to my iMac using my airport extremes wifi while my mom is using her iPod, and my brother is playing a game on his touch. Lol

 

[samstod]

I'm in the same boat, and probably leaving too. I kind of want to see how the battery life on the EVO pans out, and if the iPhone's battery has been improved even further, but baring any huge differences, I'm going Android.

My problem with the iPhone OS is that it has followed a development cycle very similar to OS X. OS X has had a large number of small OS revisions (about every 18 months) that each built a slightly better OS. And most of the changes were mostly back-end functionality. That's fine for a computers OS, since the standard development cycle of Windows is closer to 4 years. You don't want a revolution in your computers OS every year. And besides, the technology isn't changing fast enough to warrant that.

MobileOSes are still in their infancy, and the number of vast hardware improvements, added functionality, new uses, etc are coming at an amazing rate. Apple just hasn't kept up on all of this, and is relying on what is essentially the same platform from 2007. A little faster, a little more storage, a few more bells and whistles. Now, the iPhone UI was easily two-years ahead of its time (which has to be at least 5-7 years in computer OS time), and it has taken this long for someone to catch up.

But they have caught up, and are surpassing the iPhone UI in terms of speed, functionality, and at least rivaling in usability. Apple had the chance to really spice up its offerings with 4.0, but is instead only catching up on features. They aren't innovating, they are refining. The OS is refined enough - it needs a leap ahead!

Now, I am a techie, so these things matter far more to me than the normal user, so I don't expect the masses to abandon apple anytime soon. For as many people are switching to Android for new features, far more will be switching to the iPhone from non-smart phones. Apple has plenty of time to stay in the marketplace and make money. There is a group of users who likes everything the way it is - and they can stay with the iPhone.

Android isn't unstoppable either. If you've seen the Windows 7 Mobile UI, it may have the ability to leapfrog everyone by another year or more. All of the demos I have seen show an UI that is innovate, clean, and (most importantly) data rich. A quick glance at the homescreen tells you most of what you'd want to know on your phone. I don't think I'm going to wait until the end of the year for a mystery phone that I have no other information on just yet, but I'll keep my eye on it, and may jump to it if someone can put up a device that beats the apple and android offerings. Hopefully we will soon see a real competition in the Mobile arena between companies that's going to force some real innovation on all ends. With three in the market, it will be very interesting.

Also, for everyone calling for Steve Job's removal - that is just dumb. The man has made Apple the company it is today. He is an expert salesman, and he knows what the general public wants. These are the same people who claimed that nobody wanted an oversized iPod, only to see the iPad sell 200,000 units a week.

 

[jmccray]

Am I the only one that doesn't have to have the "best on the market"? To each his own of course, but I appreciate the ecosystem. I have also bought hundreds of dollars in apps that won't transfeer to another platform so that keeps me where I am also. But, whatever works for you and makes you feel good I say go for it. But I'm good right where I am.

 

[mgamber]

Quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read in these forums, and that's saying something. Congrats on reaching a new low.

So in difficult economic times, Steve Jobs has enough sheer force of will to force people to buy the products his company sells? That's really what you want to go with? And his vision is shared by "few more than his cult of followers"? Seriously? Have you seen sales numbers for the iPhone (and Macs, and iPods, and now iPads) during this recession? The "cult" must be pretty huge, and growing all the time then, huh?

Try using something other than your bitter hatred to help you post next time. I'd suggest your brain, perhaps.

I had a reply but look at my above post and go pretend you're a big man with someone that gives a ****.

 

[samstod]

I have also bought hundreds of dollars in apps that won't transfeer to another platform so that keeps me where I am also.

This will probably become the biggest driver of people sticking to the platform they are on, unless developers start offering discounts to people who have already purchased it for other platforms. Before the internet, switching from Mac to PC or vice-versa would put a real whole in your pocketbook as you would have to re-buy every program (if they even existed for your new platform). Now that you can do 80% of what you want using web-based or free applications, it isn't nearly as big of a deal.

At some point, the Mobile arena is going to have to get to a similar level. Until that point, the longer you stay on a platform, the more likely you are to stay.

I probably only have $100 of apps on my iphone, and the majority are games that I haven't touched in a year anyway. If I had $300 of productivity apps, I'd be 'Apple4Life'.

 

[ChazUK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

That is why I got another iPod touch. Best of both worlds baby!

 

[Alchematron]

Apple had the chance to really spice up its offerings with 4.0, but is instead only catching up on features. They aren't innovating, they are refining. The OS is refined enough - it needs a leap ahead!

Bingo

 

[GamecockMac]

I had a reply but look at my above post and go pretend you're a big man with someone that gives a ****.

It's enough to know that you not only gave a ****, but agonized enough about being so effectively put in your place that you typed out a lengthy reply (yes, I saw it) and then came back to erase it, presumably as to not give me the satisfaction.

Thanks for giving what I said its due respect, hopefully you learned a little something.

 

[ulbador]

I fail to see how android is better. I've used my buddy's droid and was not impressed. you have to go to settings just to turn on wi-fi

It reminds me of linux. you really need to be on top of your OS to customize it to your liking.

This is a great point. You can do some awesome things with Android but you are going to spend a lot of time customizing it instead of just using it. I'm stuck on an Android until the next iPhone comes out. I miss so many things about the iPhone.

Right now about the only thing I like about the Android OS is the game named "Bezombied"