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This is based on what?
There seems to be this unusual battle between USB C and Lightning and 3.5mm. I thought Lightning would be around for many years to come, but it's unclear now. My preference is something completely standardized across all electronic devices where the patent is free for use by everyone for inter compatibility reasons and reducing the nonsense with constant upgrading and adaptors.
 
Wow! I can't wait to not buy it.

Isn't the middle of the phone the very best spot to connect your headphones? That way there is absolutely no way to put it in the pocket without risking breaking either the plug or the socket. Well done!

I'm confused, is this sarcasm? The phone mentioned above is NOT putting the USB-C port in the "middle", it's on the bottom. That's where the headphone will connect.

Maybe you're confusing that with the fingerprint scanner which is in the back middle, a convenient if different location.
 
There seems to be this unusual battle between USB C and Lightning and 3.5mm. I thought Lightning would be around for many years to come, but it's unclear now. My preference is something completely standardized across all electronic devices where the patent is free for use by everyone for inter compatibility reasons and reducing the nonsense with constant upgrading and adaptors.
There is no reason apple can't roll lightning into their USB C handling (USB C on one end, lightning on the other). Lightning has it's own security built in so I doubt apple is going to move to a vanilla USB C for communicating with iOS devices.
 
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There is no reason apple can't roll lightning into their USB C handling (USB C on one end, lightning on the other). Lightning has it's own security built in so I doubt apple is going to move to a vanilla USB C for communicating with iOS devices.
Interesting. I didn't consider that as a possibility. Thank you.
 
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My problem with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack and replacing it with Lightning is that Lightning isn't significantly smaller. Lightning is wider and still has some significant height. If they were to remove 3.5mm, why not replace it with something much more advanced? My guess is Lightning has an expiry of around 2019.

I'll ignore your expiration date comment and just say that:

Lighting is still thinner than 3.5mm (width is OK, the fact that it has little thickness allows the phone to get skinnier). Also you can get higher quality audio from the Lighting port. Also the inner components of the 3.5mm use up a more space than the small Jack would lead you to believe.

So you have a port that can duplicate the function of the 3.5mm jack, the same Jack that is using up space.

The major reason not to nix it is that it's a widely used standard. However I doubt that would stop Apple. USB-C is a new standard that this Android phone can lean on, Apple is big enough to make Lightning port work (plus they own a headphones company that can immediately make compatible devices)
 
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I'll ignore your expiration date comment and just say that:

Lighting is still thinner than 3.5mm (width is OK, the fact that it has little thickness allows the phone to get skinnier). Also you can get higher quality audio from the Lighting port. Also the inner components of the 3.5mm use up a more space than the small Jack would lead you to believe.

So you have a port that can duplicate the function of the 3.5mm jack, the same Jack that is using up space.

The major reason not to nix it is that it's a widely used standard. However I doubt that would stop Apple. USB-C is a new standard that this Android phone can lean on, Apple is big enough to make Lightning port work (plus they own a headphones company that can immediately make compatible devices)
I agree. I am vaguely aware of the structure of a 3.5mm jack. So if Apple can do something smart like retain the 3.5mm due to being a ubiquitous standard but incorporate all the other tech, that would be a great way forward.
 
There is no reason apple can't roll lightning into their USB C handling (USB C on one end, lightning on the other). Lightning has it's own security built in so I doubt apple is going to move to a vanilla USB C for communicating with iOS devices.

Very interesting thought...
 
But the question is will Apple EVER support USB-C on iPhone/iPad? If so, better to rip the bandaid off now before you buy even more adapters. Also, Apple can help support the push of the new USB-C standard which is beneficial for all.

I'm not knowledgeable enough of the technical pros/cons of each, but if USB-C is at least equivalent to lightning I would fully support the transition to USB-C this year.
Just one question: How strong and durable is the Lightning connector assembly (both male and female sides) compared to the one for a USB-C connector?
 
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Moving completely away from the Lightning interface (for example to USB-C) will cause a deep financial impact for iPhone users, having buy new accessories all over again.

Judging by how Apple removed ports with previous products, I don't think the 'financial impact' for their iPhone users bothers them one bit.

They sure did some drastic stuff like removing dvd drives from MacBooks Pro's and adding a usb-c port to the new MacBook model. I somehow understand those actions since it allowed them to make the laptops much more thinner and ligher. But the problem is, they are overdoing it and it's just for the sake of making it thinner which isn't necessary since iPhones are already really thin and it's making the battery capacity suffer. And with the MacBook, it was a stupid (or just greedy) decision to not add one more usb-c port, so you're basically obligated to get their expensive adapter. Which is exactly what they are doing now with removing the 3.5mm jack. They are making you buy another adapter which you'll easily lose or forget to take with you...
 
Uhh...does no one remember the Google G1? It didn't have a headphone jack...way back in 2008!!
 
Which is exactly what they are doing now with removing the 3.5mm jack. They are making you buy another adapter which you'll easily lose or forget to take with you...
I had no idea that Apple has already released a device without a headphone jack. Can you post pictures of the packaging so we can see what is included?

Oh wait, you're just speculating, my mistake.
 
Uhh...does no one remember the Google G1? It didn't have a headphone jack...way back in 2008!!

Maybe there was no support for it back then, or some other technical reason? It was the first Android phone after all.

I'm more amazed that no one remembers Oppo R5 from 2014, which also didn't have a headphone jack. For at least a moment it was the world's thinnest smartphone after all.
 
Judging by how Apple removed ports with previous products, I don't think the 'financial impact' for their iPhone users bothers them one bit.

They sure did some drastic stuff like removing dvd drives from MacBooks Pro's and adding a usb-c port to the new MacBook model. I somehow understand those actions since it allowed them to make the laptops much more thinner and ligher. But the problem is, they are overdoing it and it's just for the sake of making it thinner which isn't necessary since iPhones are already really thin and it's making the battery capacity suffer. And with the MacBook, it was a stupid (or just greedy) decision to not add one more usb-c port, so you're basically obligated to get their expensive adapter. Which is exactly what they are doing now with removing the 3.5mm jack. They are making you buy another adapter which you'll easily lose or forget to take with you...

Then we are screwed!
 
They "beat" Apple? I didn't know there were other companies trying to be the first to REMOVE a feature.
 
Original designs are an endangered species.
It's a Chinese company. What did you expect?
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now how many people will hoot and holler at Apple when/if they remove the 3.5mm headphone jack.
I will. I don't really care what LeEco does because I've never heard of them.
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I had no idea that Apple has already released a device without a headphone jack. Can you post pictures of the packaging so we can see what is included?

Oh wait, you're just speculating, my mistake.
There's a lot of evidence that Apple's next iPhone will not have a headphone jack. MR has been posting articles about it.
 
Other than Chinese companies are made out of "Legos," what would be more important? Who has 3.5 jack out first or who makes quality products?
 
My problem with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack and replacing it with Lightning is that Lightning isn't significantly smaller. Lightning is wider and still has some significant height. If they were to remove 3.5mm, why not replace it with something much more advanced? My guess is Lightning has an expiry of around 2019.
I'd rather they replace Lightning with pushing everything through the 3.5mm headphone jack, LOL. At least then it won't slip out or randomly stop working all the time. Also, proprietary connectors are evil.
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Judging by how Apple removed ports with previous products, I don't think the 'financial impact' for their iPhone users bothers them one bit.

They sure did some drastic stuff like removing dvd drives from MacBooks Pro's and adding a usb-c port to the new MacBook model. I somehow understand those actions since it allowed them to make the laptops much more thinner and ligher. But the problem is, they are overdoing it and it's just for the sake of making it thinner which isn't necessary since iPhones are already really thin and it's making the battery capacity suffer. And with the MacBook, it was a stupid (or just greedy) decision to not add one more usb-c port, so you're basically obligated to get their expensive adapter. Which is exactly what they are doing now with removing the 3.5mm jack. They are making you buy another adapter which you'll easily lose or forget to take with you...
It's annoying. The only time Apple removed something I genuinely didn't miss was when they took out DVD drives. Those things are huge and clunky, like having an extra HDD in there that you'll never use. But lacking ports is a serious problem, especially when the port you lack is the USB that almost everything uses, and other laptop manufacturers have shown that they can make a laptop with many ports that's thinner than Apple's laptops.
 
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